odyssey06 wrote: » Lots of people burn rubbish.
OwlsZat wrote: » Lots of people do burn rubbish. Not many people burn mattresses, and when they do burn rubbish they tend to burn it up the back of the garden, not two feet from the back door. The burning of the mattress is a particularly peculiar event.
MoonUnit75 wrote: » That's not the case though, GSOC's report says there is no evidence for corruption, falsification of evidence, coercion of witnesses or changing statements. There were other suspects, one man explained how he went to his solicitor because the gardai were investigating him so persistently that he thought he would be charged. I think it was the man who kept horses on the land around Sophie's?
EdHoven wrote: » The Met is one of the best police forces in the world but they couldn't find who shot a star TV presenter in broad daylight 3 years after Schull with phone records, CCTV DNA, ballistics etc. The French can't find who shot the Al-Hilli family in 2012. AGS are no worse in regards to unsolved murders than any other cops. Blaming it on culchies whereas sophisticated French or English detectives could crack the case is ignoring reality.
QuietMan2010 wrote: » In fact the Met managed to pin Jill Dando's murder on the local weirdo, based on the flimsiest of forensic evidence. The conviction was later overturned, in part because the Met lied about armed police being present at his arrest (which could have transferred the microscopic particle of gunshot residue on which he was convicted). So yep, whether its police corruption or incompetence, it is not unique to AGS.
Deeec wrote: » Scratches on hands and face - no photos was taken of these scratches, IB said they were from cutting a christmas tree and from killing a turkey. Jules Thomas daughter confirmed he cut down a christmas tree. Coat soaking in bathroom - this was remembered years after the murder by an Italian girl who stayed in their house ( she seen it on christmas eve ). This is also the coat that Ian Bailey supposedly wore on christmas morning. He done very well to squeeze that large coat into a bucket of water and then have it fully dry for the next morning. The gardai also took this coat for forensic testing but lost the coat. How would the Italian girl know that this was a coat without taking it out of the bucket. This is also the coat he was supposed to have burned. So you tell me which is story is correct The aunt - Remembered years later that Sophie said she was going to meet Ian Bailey. There is no evidence that he said that a french lady was murdered before anyone else knew. News like this would have spread like wildfire in a small community. My guess was Alfie Lyons and Shirley were on the phone straight away telling locals what had happened. You need to read up on the case and listen to the 'West Cork podcast' before you throw IB in jail. There is no evidence whatsoever that IB is guilty.
Mackinac wrote: » In her statement she said she saw dark clothes soaking in the bathtub not a bucket of water.
Gussie Scrotch wrote: » GSOCs report is, just about, the most obvious and blatant cover up of the whole affair. In terms of getting to the root cause of Garda failure/corruption, it is of zero value.
Slick666 wrote: » What about the scratches on his hands and head, the coat soaking in the bucket in the bathroom, the bonfire outside his house, Sophie knew him as she mentioned his name to her aunt, he 'confessed to killing her', the woman saw him on the bridge even though she then retracted her statement, his partner said he went out that night and wasnt sure if he did it ( his own partner ), he said to people about the murder of a french woman even before the guards announced it. Its obvious he did it and Ive no idea why stupid f**king ireland wont give him over to france!!
dublin49 wrote: » In fairness the DPP is never going to throw the guards under the bus if he can avoid it at all.
MoonUnit75 wrote: » Why did he lose his civil case then?
Yurt! wrote: » She's explicit in the documentary that it was a bucket. Unless the word for bucket and bath in Italian are the same and she was confused when speaking English, it's fairly unambiguous. I have a long wool coat, unless it's a supersize bucket I'm not fitting it in one.
Ms Boarina also told gardai that she saw a mark on Mr Bailey’s forehead but she could not remember where exactly it was located. She also recalled seeing dark clothes soaking in a bath but at some stage during her stay there, they were removed from the bath.
Gussie Scrotch wrote: » Sorry, MoonUnit, I don't understand your question. Can you exoand a bit?
EmmetSpiceland wrote: » The Netflix doc seems to blame the failure of the case on Marie Farrell’s lying under oath. She was the Bailey’s star witness and she rendered herself useless to their case.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Why would you tell a 14 year old lad in a car that you smashed her brain in with a block?
EmmetSpiceland wrote: » He claims in the Sheridan doc that he, sarcastically, said ‘they’re saying I went up there and bashed her head in with a rock’. The young lad, who apparently wasn’t too upset about it until after a Garda spoke to him, only heard Bailey say the part about going up and bashing her with a rock.
dark crystal wrote: » Her original testimony was that she saw dark clothes soaking in the bath:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/ian-bailey-had-fresh-scratches-on-arms-the-day-body-found-court-told-1.3908180 This somehow morphed into a black coat soaking in a bucket by the time she gave the Netflix interview.
FileNotFound wrote: » Once again no evidence, he had a story for the scratches, if anything having loads of scratches means leaving evidence behind - none was found at the scene. They tested under her finger nails (one of the only preserved DNA pieces) and no match to Bailey - explain. Coat was analysed and nothing found on it, then the Gardai magically lost it with the gate. Also it was supposed to be in the bucket/tub (seems to change every now and then) but was magically fit for purpose and on video hours later?? Thats some drying in winter with nothing but the clothes line haha. Burning anything wasn't even a crime then. he probably burnt stuff every day - they did not have bin collection - where did the rubbish go? Sophie may have known his name he was at the market all the time. The woman who saw him on the bridge made it up at the request of the gardai who threatened to tell her husband she was with another man and later corrected the record. So thats a nothing now. He confessed to who? He used black humour with a reporter and a child claimed he said he did it, the child didn't even attend the case in france, his mother did!! what the hell is that. He went out that night and his partner has said she believes he never did it, they were together for years after ans she defended him no end... So now we have established there is no evidence against him at all - just a flawed investigation. Sure if you can swallow the brick netflix threw fair play. But no evidence means no Guilty verdict. Now he is a degenerate with a history of violence so I am not claiming his innocence but you'd have to be of limited intelligence to believe the info proves anything.
Yurt! wrote: » Good luck getting that past the DPP then
Slick666 wrote: » Alright you have answers for everything. I do not see how cutting down a xmas tree would give you all those scratches and a turkey pecked his forehead... you believe that story? wow. You never gave an explanation how he was telling people about the french woman murdered even before it was announced?
FileNotFound wrote: » Now he is a degenerate with a history of violence so I am not claiming his innocence but you'd have to be of limited intelligence to believe the info proves anything.
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