FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

You are trying too hard Marine

The fact there is, that in order to test that arrangement, FF/FG/Greens have to put that arrangement to the people in the next campaign.
But will they or will they lie again about who they will go into coalition with?
If the electorate buy the lie again then they will get what they deserve. The decline in FF and FG's vote share from a high of 86% to just over 40% shows that more and more are moving away from them.

Cluedo Monopoly

Marine Layer wrote: »

But that arrangement hasn't been put to the test yet
Also polls suggest a majority would return it
So you are wrong
We'll have another 500 to 600 days to wait and see

You are trying too hard Marine

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nobody in Monaghan promising NEVER to do it though.

:D:D good one

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Monaghan winning an All Ireland would be unprecedented but you would still accept it Francie.
Dream on for that one too lad

Nobody in Monaghan promising NEVER to do it though.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A coalition government of FF and FG is unprecedented in the history of this state.

No need for the 'look over there's'

Fact, and proper usage of the term.

Monaghan winning an All Ireland would be unprecedented but you would still accept it Francie.
Dream on for that one too lad

FrancieBrady wrote: »

....and Finty runs out of argument again...SQUIRREL!

Not quite.
This morning we have established..
FFG doesn't exist.
There is no such thing as a 100 year power swap.
The country is run by a voluntary coalition elected by a majority of the citizens
Coaltion governments are routine and acceptable
The pharmacists' reps are very happy with rollout
The 18 to 30 cohort are enthusiastic about vaccination.

Hold my nuts...

Marine Layer wrote: »

Your use of the word unprecedented is your own too...
SF's support at the last election was so unprecedented and they themselves so unexpected it that they didn't put up enough candidates...

Parties since the dawn of democracy have had opposing positions untill they entered talks

A coalition government of FF and FG is unprecedented in the history of this state.

No need for the 'look over there's'

Fact, and proper usage of the term.

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Sounds a bit like Stormont to me.

....and Finty runs out of argument again...SQUIRREL!

FrancieBrady wrote: »

An unprecedented coalition that one party assured the electorate would never happen.
Your opinion of why it happened is your own, as is mine.

Your use of the word unprecedented is your own too...
SF's support at the last election was so unprecedented and they themselves so unexpected it that they didn't put up enough candidates...

Parties since the dawn of democracy have had opposing positions untill they entered talks

FrancieBrady wrote: »

An unprecedented coalition that one party assured the electorate would never happen.
Your opinion of why it happened is your own, as is mine.

Sounds a bit like Stormont to me.

Finty Lemon wrote: »

FFG doesn't exist. Glad we established that. Tell your mates.

So the current government is a voluntary coalition. Like every other coalition in the history of free elections, it emerged from necessity.

An unprecedented coalition that one party assured the electorate would never happen.
Your opinion of why it happened is your own, as is mine.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Once again...I have never used 'FFG'. Invent a position for a poster...rail against it...rinse and repeat with you Finty. Dishonest and dis-ingenuous.

FFG doesn't exist. Glad we established that. Tell your mates.

So the current government is a voluntary coalition. Like every other coalition in the history of free elections, it emerged from necessity.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hmmm, the 'electorate chose last time out. What did they get again?

We'll see what they think of that, only at the next election. Will FG and FF lie to them again about their intentions? Hold this space.

They got the government they deserve

Finty Lemon wrote: »

The current government represents the decision off the people at the last election. FFG, if you are so intent on using this construct, is the largest party in the state. Its either one party or it isn't.

Once again...I have never used 'FFG'. Invent a position for a poster...rail against it...rinse and repeat with you Finty. Dishonest and dis-ingenuous.

P.S. The 'electorate' went to the polls having been promised FF would 'never' go into coalition with FG. What did they get Finty?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That's precisely what Finty is saying. Exclusion politics.

The power swap rocked to the core. FF/FG bunkered up and effectively merged, in one final effort to cling on.

The current government represents the decision of the people at the last election. FFG, if you are so intent on using this construct, is by some distance the largest party in the state. Its either one party or it isn't.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The theory is proved, as soon as an opposition emerged that was not prepared to be used as blame fodder in return for comfy seats, FG and FF began to merge/coalesce in an effort to exclude and cling to power. All of which highlighted the sham rivalry that went before.

But that arrangement hasn't been put to the test yet
Also polls suggest a majority would return it
So you are wrong
We'll have another 500 to 600 days to wait and see

Finty Lemon wrote: »

There is no "power swap", it is a myth. Free and open elections have been held since the foundation of the state, a fact that obliterates any notion of it. That is the point.
Irelands record of the electorate having its choice is a proud one and stands in stark contrast to the coercive socialist models often trumpeted on here.

Hmmm, the 'electorate chose last time out. What did they get again?

We'll see what they think of that, only at the next election. Will FG and FF lie to them again about their intentions? Hold this space.

The Claire Byrne DBS debate, featuring the oft trotted out excuses of government parties and those who sacrificed themselves as blame fodder:

'It was during a recession'
'It was during a pandemic'

FG's Geoghegan trying to be all things to all people is a thing to marvel at aurally as well.

Billcarson wrote: »

Deflection. Doesn't change the fact that they are trying their best to cling on to power
Well circling the wagons won't save them next time.

The parties in opposition now had the numbers to form a government last time out. They walked away.
They will have their go the next time.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who held up '20th century socialist elections' as a comparison Finty?

Can you stick to the points made? Instead of the invention of points of view then arguing against them? That is a tired old stunt used by some on these forums. Invent a position for another poster then rail against it. It is just another form of lying/bluffing.

There is no "power swap", it is a myth. Free and open elections have been held since the foundation of the state, a fact that obliterates any notion of it. That is the point.
Irelands record of the electorate having its choice is a proud one and stands in stark contrast to the coercive socialist models often trumpeted on here.

Marine Layer wrote: »

No it wasn't
The theory can only be tested after they've actually shared power
Up to this they were bitter opponents
A power swap is something agreed whereby one party agrees to swap with another
Polls suggest at present,1 year into this that a version of this government would be returned
The power envy parties just need to get enough votes
To date they still haven't

The theory is proved, as soon as an opposition emerged that was not prepared to be used as blame fodder in return for comfy seats, FG and FF began to merge/coalesce in an effort to exclude and cling to power. All of which highlighted the sham rivalry that went before.

Billcarson

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Free and open elections have been in place since the foundation of the state. Compare that to the 20th century socialist nightmare inflicted on other countries. Nuff said.

Deflection. Doesn't change the fact that they are trying their best to cling on to power
Well circling the wagons won't save them next time.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'theory' was tested at the previous two GE's Marine.
After one, FG/FF circled the wagons in a confidence and supply arrangement and after the next one they effectively merged in an unprecedented coalition.

History will see that as an effort to cling to what they had for 100 years, a controlling power swap arrangement.

No it wasn't
The theory can only be tested after they've actually shared power
Up to this they were bitter opponents
A power swap is something agreed whereby one party agrees to swap with another
Polls suggest at present,1 year into this that a version of this government would be returned
The power envy parties just need to get enough votes
To date they still haven't

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Free and open elections have been in place since the foundation of the state. Compare that to the 20th century socialist nightmare inflicted on other countries. Nuff said.

Who held up '20th century socialist elections' as a comparison Finty?

Can you stick to the points made? Instead of the invention of points of view then arguing against them? That is a tired old stunt used by some on these forums. Invent a position for another poster then rail against it. It is just another form of lying/bluffing.

Finty Lemon wrote: »

More than 750 pharmacies will today begin administering the Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) Covid-19 vaccine to people between the ages of 18 and 34 who have opted-in to receive it.

It comes as the Health Service Executive confirmed that another 343,000 vaccines were administered last week. Almost half (49%) of the adult population are now fully vaccinated.

HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid shared the information on social media and said pharmacies would play a "key role" this week in administering available Jannsen vaccines to those aged 18 to 34.

A pharmacist in Dungarvan, Co Waterford - where coronavirus incidence is the second highest in the country - has said there is "huge capacity" within community pharmacies to administer the 200,000 Janssen vaccines expected to be distributed this month.

The accelerated roll-out for younger people in pharmacies is part of a multi-track approach to speed up the pace of adult vaccination to counter the threat of the Delta variant.

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Waterford pharmacist Daragh Connolly said it was a "very exciting day" for pharmacists who were "delighted" to be at the heart of fighting Covid.

He said his own pharmacy had to close off its registration list for the 18 to 34 cohort as over 150 people had already registered.

"Without knowledge of the supply of the vaccine [in coming weeks], we didn't think it would be fair to keep taking names, so we're just asking people to be patient with us, and indeed they have. There's a fantastic enthusiasm from this cohort to get vaccinated," Mr Connolly said.

His pharmacy is at capacity to "very comfortably and safely" administer up to 100 vaccines per week and if it can get the supply to match this, then "more and more people" will be vaccinated.

"We are reading that there may be another 200,000 Janssen vaccines coming into the country, so I think there is huge capacity within community pharmacies to administer those vaccines in probably four to six weeks with a fair wind," he said.

There you have it folks. From a health professional.
No confusion, just enthusiasm.

Well done Minister Donnelly for another slick move.
Doesn't suit the whinging opposition at all.

Surprised David Cullinane didn't apply some pressure to stop this on his own doorstep. Measures could have been taken

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The 'theory' was tested at the previous two GE's Marine.
After one, FG/FF circled the wagons in a confidence and supply arrangement and after the next one they effectively merged in an unprecedented coalition.

History will see that as an effort to cling to what they had for 100 years, a controlling power swap arrangement.

Free and open elections have been in place since the foundation of the state. Compare that to the 20th century socialist nightmare inflicted on other countries. Nuff said.

mattser wrote: »

And so begins another week of misery for the perma whinge brigade, Finty. Let them at it. Busy week on the Valtra ahead for me.

I am jealous. Stuck on an old Case Puma in the evenings myself. Bought it with my own money too, to keep my income tax bill below the €50k. Maybe its time for an upgrade

More than 750 pharmacies will today begin administering the Janssen (Johnson & Johnson) Covid-19 vaccine to people between the ages of 18 and 34 who have opted-in to receive it.

It comes as the Health Service Executive confirmed that another 343,000 vaccines were administered last week. Almost half (49%) of the adult population are now fully vaccinated.

HSE Chief Executive Paul Reid shared the information on social media and said pharmacies would play a "key role" this week in administering available Jannsen vaccines to those aged 18 to 34.

A pharmacist in Dungarvan, Co Waterford - where coronavirus incidence is the second highest in the country - has said there is "huge capacity" within community pharmacies to administer the 200,000 Janssen vaccines expected to be distributed this month.

The accelerated roll-out for younger people in pharmacies is part of a multi-track approach to speed up the pace of adult vaccination to counter the threat of the Delta variant.

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Waterford pharmacist Daragh Connolly said it was a "very exciting day" for pharmacists who were "delighted" to be at the heart of fighting Covid.

He said his own pharmacy had to close off its registration list for the 18 to 34 cohort as over 150 people had already registered.

"Without knowledge of the supply of the vaccine [in coming weeks], we didn't think it would be fair to keep taking names, so we're just asking people to be patient with us, and indeed they have. There's a fantastic enthusiasm from this cohort to get vaccinated," Mr Connolly said.

His pharmacy is at capacity to "very comfortably and safely" administer up to 100 vaccines per week and if it can get the supply to match this, then "more and more people" will be vaccinated.

"We are reading that there may be another 200,000 Janssen vaccines coming into the country, so I think there is huge capacity within community pharmacies to administer those vaccines in probably four to six weeks with a fair wind," he said.

There you have it folks. From a health professional.
No confusion, just enthusiasm.

Well done Minister Donnelly for another slick move.
Doesn't suit the whinging opposition at all.

Marine Layer wrote: »

Well won't we be testing your theory of democracy in 2025
If you are right Mary Lou will be Taoiseach

Circa 500 to 595 max long days in politics to go...
Might be an idea to turn on the eyecare function on your devices

The 'theory' was tested at the previous two GE's Marine.
After one, FG/FF circled the wagons in a confidence and supply arrangement and after the next one they effectively merged in an unprecedented coalition.

History will see that as an effort to cling to what they had for 100 years, a controlling power swap arrangement.