JupiterKid wrote: » Unchecked immigration of people who are completely culturally different into any given nation is a very bad idea. Only tension, resentment and discord can result. I have no problem of immigration if it is regulated and those who come a host country abide by its laws and customs, and learn the native language. We need integration, not multiculturalism - which is really a lazy was of claiming to “respect” immigrant cultures whilst really doing nothing at all. And then there is Herrnstein and Murray’s highly controversial nook, The Bell Curve (1994), which claims that race, ethnicity and intellgence levels appear to be closely linked. The nook, has of course been criticized and its central thesis questioned, but I believe there is a kernel of uncomfortable truth in the book.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Anyone who believes intelligence is linked to ethnicity or race is a racist! A stupid stupid racist
john123470 wrote: » I'm a bit confused here. Is a "stupid, stupid racist" twice as bad as a "stupid racist" or a "racist who isn't stupid but still a racist" or are they all to be lumped together ? Thanks
Epizeuxis In rhetoric, epizeuxis is the repetition of a word or phrase in immediate succession, typically within the same sentence, for vehemence or emphasis.[1] A closely related rhetorical device is diacope, which involves word repetition that is broken up by a single intervening word, or a small number of intervening words.[2]
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » All racists are stupid. I used the same word twice for emphasis also known as Epizeuxishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epizeuxis#:~:text=In%20rhetoric%2C%20epizeuxis%20is%20the,sentence%2C%20for%20vehemence%20or%20emphasis.
john123470 wrote: » So, 'All racists are stupid stupid', you mean ?
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Do you think that race and intelligence are linked or do you think that is stupid?
MarkEadie wrote: » Perhaps you should have read the placards in the picture before posting that you think the majority of Muslim men hold the same views as those holding the placards. As you said you thought the majority of Muslim men held the same views as the ones who held the placards, I assumed you meant that you thought the majority of Muslim men held the same views as the ones holding the placards. Perhaps you should reread what you have written my friend. In fairness to Wibbs he was quick enough pulling you up on it.
correct horse battery staple wrote: » https://i.redd.it/50oh22v0p9971.jpg Perhaps if we were more multicultural we be in euros semi finals now
bubblypop wrote: » Good job we have controlled immigration and that all have to abide by our laws.
Salvation Tambourine wrote: » Controlled immigration that has allowed, according to the Department of Justice, at least 17,000 people become undocumented. Controlled immigration that when asked cannot give figures on how many people have been deported after being given a deportation notice. Does that sound controlled?
Dyr wrote: » You do know that Ashkenazi Jews have a higher average IQ than other "races"? You know that, right? Is this the latest alley this thread is going down with your nonsense?
MarkEadie wrote: » That's been discredited many times over but since you believe it, why would you want people you deem intellectually inferior to come here and integrate?
Wibbs wrote: » hey're largely a western concept and invention so may trend towards "rewarding" a western type mind.
Wibbs wrote: » Those imperial exams lasted until 1900. So for over 1600 years, generation, after generation, exam success was the thing for social advancement in that culture. The above meme has a lot to do with that even today.
Dyr wrote: » Which is why the Japanese and Chinese score so highly..their big western type minds
IQ makes people very uncomfortable and tends to start all sort of conjecture and dissembling, like "what is intelligence anyway?" Fun stuff.
Cordell wrote: » Does it really matter? Since we have tight immigration control and conditions we're only getting the best and brightest, all these doctors and engineers have higher IQs than the median here. Right?
We do know on average "Migrant groups have higher levels of education
JupiterKid wrote: » I actually don't agree with the central, highly controversial thesis of The Bell Curve (I read it about 15 years ago) but I do think that there is much in the book that merits further examination, particularly how cultural factors can produce very different educational outcomes. Integration and control on the numbers is the key to successful immigration - otherwise, a flood of immigrants just puts immense pressure on already overburdened and utterly dysfunctional housing systems, schools, social services, health services, amenities etc. It's just common sense. Immigration also drives down wages in local labour markets and the increased competition for jobs and opportunities tends to piss off the native population and foster resentment, racism and xenophobia. But the neoliberal economic agenda much of the West has been ascribing to in recent decades sees unfettered immigration as a good thing because it keeps wages down and weakens the power of labour unions. To hell with the social consequences - it's all about the economy and profits for proponents of mass immigration. It's very convenient for the cheerleaders of neoliberalism that the public discourse in Western Europe and elsewhere has framed those concerned with unchecked immigration as "racists and xenophobes" - the old divide and conquer tactic very much at play. Pitting one against the other in a "black and white" ideological battle whern the reality is far more complex and nuanced. But then, complex and nuanced issues don't sell tabloid newspapers, act as media clickbait or get opinionated commentators on TV debates because it's just so much easier to frame the issue in an "us and them" scenario.
Cordell wrote: » That should be a given. The problem is why do we have migrants that are below average? Of course some of them will be from the EU, but a lot of them won't.
Wibbs wrote: » Well as I said the Chinese taking tests part of their culture runs very deep and the Japanese have become far more western in many aspects of culture in the last century..
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » The Irish state does not test the IQ of immigrants. We do know on average "Migrant groups have higher levels of education..... than people born in Ireland"https://www.esri.ie/news/migrant-groups-have-higher-levels-of-education-but-some-experience-higher-unemployment-than
Deleted User wrote: » Asian education tends to follow that of Western educational systems/standards. The best schools and universities are considered to be in the West, and all of the Asian universities mimic the organisation of western universities. Perception is key here. While Asian education does retain a very Asian feel, their focus is to copy the success of Western education. Most Asians who want to work professionally, will have done IELTS, along with preparation for the SATs, and GRE. The fact that English is compulsory learning throughout secondary school, and usually the first year of University, shows just how much they've been influenced by western thought. I would say that Asians think (logic patterns) differently to westerners due to culture and conditioning, but I'd also say you're correct about being influenced into doing well at Western exams and tests.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Easily probable haha. What's it like to live in constant fear fandy? It doesn't happen in Poland except the no go areas for LGBT people right?https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-54191344
Dyr wrote: » Did you just equate education with intelligence? That's racist and stuff.
Fandymo wrote: » No! IF a large number of people from a specific foreign culture (Muslim) IF move to another country (Belgium) IF and don't integrate THEN they are going to create ghettos (Moulenbeek) THEN subcultures that clash with the nation's culture. (Bataclan suspect able to walk around freely despite being on every news channel in Europe) You don’t want to talk anymore Robbie?? I’ve given real world, actual, factual events. It’s almost as if someone proves you wrong, then you run away until the subject changes then you come back in and pretend nothing happened. Is the above a “giant fallacy” as you stated previously??
kildare lad wrote: » I love the way you just posted one line from the report . Just group all migrants in as being better than Irish people. According to you we've no culture and we're dumber than migrants . You still never answered my question btw since Ireland has no culture , can you give us some examples of the great cultures , Africans , Asians and Eastern European s have brought to Ireland . Here's a few things you left out in your post Within broad regional groups (like Europe, Asia, Africa), we find wide differences between migrants. Among Asian migrants, those from Taiwan, South Korea, and India are the most likely to hold a third level degree, while those from Afghanistan, Thailand, and Vietnam are the least likely to hold a degree. Especially in Africa, many first-generation migrant groups have higher unemployment rates than respondents born in Ireland. This difference between African-born and Irish-born is linked to the fact those of Black ethnicity have a higher unemployment rate than those of White ethnicity, but the disadvantage for those born in many African countries remains even within ethnic groups Migrants born in EU countries have lower rates of unemployment than other migrants. However, among those who are working, EU migrants are less likely to work in high-skilled jobs. As expected, migrants with higher educational qualifications and better English language skills are less likely to be unemployed and more likely to be working in professional or managerial jobs. So much for a previous poster saying he's ok with taking in unskilled migrants A third level education doesn't mean your smart going by some of the idiots I've seen coming out of colleges recently . Could the lower level of third level education among Irish men be the fact that a lot of Irish people go and get trades and work on building sites . Only one of my friends went to college out of a gang of us and they're all doing fine . My friends jobs are , fireman , 2 small builders, carpenter, air conditioning and bricklayer, another owns his own garage, 4 left school at 15 and have their own house and business. Not bad for dumb Irish who never went to college. Btw I know a couple of eastern Europeans that have their own business's as well , none went to college either . It's amazing what can happen to your life if you're willing to work hard
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Nope the idea is laughable. I myself did not complete 3rd level education until well advanced in my career. Some of the most motivated energetic individuals I have known and worked with recently are reskilled as a result of the crash in 2008. I would advise you however to get a dictionary out and check out what racist means, because judging by your post you do not know. You are very angry in this post and a single event that you have shoehorned into your theory is not proof of anything. I quoted one line because it was relevant. Averages are a useless metric for any real world use. But then talking about immigrants as one whole homogenous group is also stupid. But this is boards where if I quote a whole article who will read it and who will care. This isn't the first time this particular study has been raised on this thread. Then you get into a straw man argument trying to say I called people who don't have 3rd level education stupid. I didn't say that and never have in the 15 years I have posted on boards. Well done you for having a fight with yourself.:rolleyes:
Dyr wrote: » My experience of some Asian cultures is that close attention and observation play a far bigger part in learning that in the West, we tend to rely on pointing everything thing out to the student.
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