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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

brianhere

All social/population control measures introduced by the state security apparatus as a result of this health scare will be, and have always intended to be, permanent in my view. Here are a few reasons why:
a) Because they already have shown that they are stringing people along. The publicans, for example, have been assured every couple of weeks for the whole summer that they will be allowed to reopen, but the government had no intention of allowing this. First it was to stop the spread of the disease altogether, then it was 'flattening the curve' and now it is in response to an increase in cases which they know perfectly well had to follow an increase in testing. You don't want to be the donkey chasing the carrot here!

b) Because they have invested so much money and time in changing the whole apparatus of society, in schools for example, and other places. Clearly these changes were not implemented in order to disappear in only a few weeks, they show the planning and expense of permanent measures.

c) Because the state has a record of never releasing back to the population rights that they seized during some panic. A few examples:
i) During the hype about TB in the 1950s the state introduced a voluntary scheme to control the disease in cattle. It involved those who had tested negative for the disease to be given a special tag and the farmer a 'herd number'. This voluntary scheme then evolved into the state controlling all aspects of agricultural activity by only allowing any such activity - even keeping a few hens - with the permission of the state, via compulsory herd numbers.
ii) Similar to this current panic, in the 1970s the state amended earlier WWII legislation to enable it to abolish jury trials. This was a great shock to the legal profession - even to the then President - and affront to the time honoured legal practices in Ireland but it was rushed through on the basis of sunset clauses whereby it would have to be renewed every year, and hence was temporary. Of course it is still with us long after the troubles have ended.
iii) After 9/11 and some hyped episodes like 'underwear bombers', this state and all around the world introduced time consuming and very intrusive security procedures particularly at airports. This of course is still with us long after the scare has died down.

d) This last point I am sure some of you will not get, but I will make it anyway. These measures are being rolled out precisely because they have huge social and population control advantages for the state, hence they are only piggy backing on the virus to do what they have all along planned to do, and hence have no intention of ever releasing you in the future from their newly introduced grip.

So look if you want to get your life back you should join the demonstrations next Saturday at 2.00pm at the Customs House and the Dáil in Dublin. You will not get released from this vice otherwise, they will compel you to harm your own health via vaccines and masks (of course it harms your health by restricting your breathing, and harming your health does not help somebody else), and otherwise we will descend further into this nightmare of Communist style spying on neighbours and bullying people in the name of social conformity.

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shocksy

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Appeal to motive

Sheeple

Anti-vax

Big Pharma

"The control has started"

I can't find the card right now, but I'm fairly sure that's bingo

And I'm pretty sure you're one of the sheep that herded up to take your junk because you "were told too" haha good luck with that stuff in your body. Haha

shocksy

robinph wrote: »

So you have absolutely no idea what the conspiracy is, who is directing things, what they gain from faking the pandemic and developing multiple vaccines by multiple different researchers around the globe....

.... But you are certain that they are trying to kill people for a hidden agenda that you don't know anything about but is definitely real because of reasons that you can't tell us.

Are you worried? Haha sounds like it. Ah well, you shouldn't have taken the junk. That's your problem now. Not mine.

robinph

shocksy wrote: »

And I'm pretty sure you're one of the sheep that herded up to take your junk because you "were told too" haha good luck with that stuff in your body. Haha

What stuff? The vaccines which is going to kill us because Bill Gates wants it to happen?

Which vaccine is the one that Bill Gates has control over? How is it going to kill people? What about the other vaccines, has Bill Gates infiltrated their vaccines as well?

robinph

shocksy wrote: »

Are you worried? Haha sounds like it. Ah well, you shouldn't have taken the junk. That's your problem now. Not mine.

Where is your evidence regarding the vaccines killing people? Is it all the vaccines?

Timberrrrrrrr

And I'm pretty sure you're one of the sheep that herded up to take your junk because you "were told too" haha good luck with that stuff in your body. Haha

shocksy wrote: »

Are you worried? Haha sounds like it. Ah well, you shouldn't have taken the junk. That's your problem now. Not mine.

Anyone else read this guys posts in the voice of Mandark from Dexters laboratory?

Dr. Bre

shocksy wrote: »

And just like that, the same question reply haha it's like a competition who can copy and paste that question the most.

No one knows for certainty, but there will definitely be permanent measures. Booster vaccines will be one of them, if you don't get your booster vaccine like good boys and girls you won't be allowed to travel. More data control and medical sharing into the hands of authorities that shouldn't have it. Masks will remain. Lockdowns will be a regular thing. Pubs and nightclubs will forever be forced to open and close (which is a good thing anyway) only good thing to come from this pandemic. There's already talks of only vaccinated people can do this and that. They're also using the pandemic to divide the people. The answer to your question is having permanently more control over the sheep and they have already obliged. Eventually the vaccines will do their job of either depopulatung countries or some other hidden agenda which is yet to be revealed.

Why is pubs nightclubs open and closing a good thing? Cos you don’t go to them ?

Dohnjoe

shocksy wrote: »

And I'm pretty sure you're one of the sheep that herded up to take your junk because you "were told too" haha good luck with that stuff in your body. Haha

A question, the countless people involved in creating these vaccines, why would they knowingly be giving "junk" to their parents, kids, families, relatives, friends, colleagues?

Are they "paid off", or you know their job better than they do?

PintOfView

shocksy wrote: »

You can't compare those vaccines to one that hasn't been tried and tested. 9 months is a pathetic trial time. The pandemic would eventually burn itself out without these vaccines just like the Spanish flu did.

That's debatable if covid causes clots, these "studies" only came to light when AZ was causing clots so they came out with the BS that covid also causes clots and much worse than the vaccine does. Such Hor$e$hit haha. People are easily fooled. My god gullible is an understatement.

You say that the blood clot studies only came to light when AZ was found to cause (a small amount) of blood clots.

So how do you account for this article from April 2020, before any vaccine was even developed?
[https://www.rcsi.com/dublin/news-and-events/news/news-article/2020/04/blood-clotting-a-significant-cause-of-death-in-patients-with-covid19]
"findings demonstrate that COVID-19 is associated with a unique type of blood clotting disorder that is primarily focussed within the lungs and which undoubtedly contributes to the high levels of mortality being seen in patients with COVID-19"

I completely agree that some people are easily fooled.
Unfortunately, even though you may not realise it, I think you yourself may fall into that category.
And isn't it a bit ironic you, of all people, saying "gullible is an understatement" !!

Timberrrrrrrr

So today at five P.M Boris Johnson is due to announce that lockdown restrictions will come to an end in England.

No more face masks (certain circumstances eg Hospitals, nursing homes it may still apply), no more social distancing, no restrictions on how many people can meet up.

I wonder what happens with all the posters who have spent the last eighteen months claiming restrictions will be permanent, do thier heads collectively explode at five or is it a slower process where they explode one by one?

[Deleted User]

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So today at five P.M Boris Johnson is due to announce that lockdown restrictions will come to an end in England.

No more face masks (certain circumstances eg Hospitals, nursing homes it may still apply), no more social distancing, no restrictions on how many people can meet up.

I wonder what happens with all the posters who have spent the last eighteen months claiming restrictions will be permanent, do thier heads collectively explode at five or is it a slower process where they explode one by one?

He may announce that, but, if he does, he will also say that the final decision will be made on the 12th of July: https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-boris-johnson-to-reveal-final-step-of-roadmap-plan-to-restore-peoples-freedoms-at-monday-news-conference-12348907

"The government has said it will not know if its four tests (an effective vaccine programme, evidence the vaccines work, manageable infection rates and the low risk of variants) have been met until 12 July, a week before the proposed date to ease final restrictions."

Also, will he announce that the Coronavirus Act will be repealed? As long as that Act is in place the government can "restrict or prohibit public gatherings, control or suspend public transport, order businesses such as shops and restaurants to close, temporarily detain people suspected of COVID-19 infection, suspend the operation of ports and airports, temporarily close educational institutions and childcare premises, enrol medical students and retired healthcare workers in the health services, relax regulations to ease the burden on healthcare services, and assume control of death management in particular local areas" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus_Act_2020)

And this thread is about restrictions in Ireland, not England.

EyesClosed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And this thread is about restrictions in Ireland, not England.

Nope, this thread is about all covid measures being permanent forever... Title says nothing about just Ireland. So can you tell us what will be permanent forever?

The Nal

Gortanna wrote: »

And this thread is about restrictions in Ireland, not England.

50 allowed at weddings. Up from 25. 200 for outdoor events and 500 people at venues with a capacity of 5000. All as of today.

A weird thing for the cultural marxist elites to do with their grand evil plan.

Smee_Again

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So today at five P.M Boris Johnson is due to announce that lockdown restrictions will come to an end in England.

No more face masks (certain circumstances eg Hospitals, nursing homes it may still apply), no more social distancing, no restrictions on how many people can meet up.

I wonder what happens with all the posters who have spent the last eighteen months claiming restrictions will be permanent, do thier heads collectively explode at five or is it a slower process where they explode one by one?

robinph

EyesClosed wrote: »

Nope, this thread is about all covid measures being permanent forever... Title says nothing about just Ireland. So can you tell us what will be permanent forever?

They will come along shortly and say that the thread is actually about North Korea instead, then when it turns out the Coronavirus restrictions there are not permanent either they will change their mind and claim they were on about some other restrictions for something else that they haven't yet thought of.

[Deleted User]

EyesClosed wrote: »

Nope, this thread is about all covid measures being permanent forever... Title says nothing about just Ireland. So can you tell us what will be permanent forever?

It's on a discussion forum in Ireland. It's clear the poster is talking about Ireland.

I don't see masks going and have seen no evidence to suggest they will. I don't think the vaccine passport that is set to be introduced will be temporary, and I don't see social distancing being scrapped in its entirety.

But as long as there are other countries where there are no restrictions then it doesn't really matter because people will be able to emigrate if they want to.

EyesClosed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's on a discussion forum in Ireland. It's clear the poster is talking about Ireland.

I don't see masks going and have seen no evidence to suggest they will. I don't think the vaccine passport that is set to be introduced will be temporary, and I don't see social distancing being scrapped in its entirety.

But as long as there are other countries where there are no restrictions then it doesn't really matter because people will be able to emigrate if they want to.

But the original post implied this is all to role out communist government... Is that just in Ireland?
So what you implying is this.
A world wide pandemic was faked or launched to just turn the Irish government into a communist dictatorship.
So why?
Also can you not see how ridiculous that sounds?

robinph

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's on a discussion forum in Ireland. It's clear the poster is talking about Ireland.

I don't see masks going and have seen no evidence to suggest they will. I don't think the vaccine passport that is set to be introduced will be temporary, and I don't see social distancing being scrapped in its entirety.

But as long as there are other countries where there are no restrictions then it doesn't really matter because people will be able to emigrate if they want to.

Why has it taken until this point for you to specify that it's about Ireland only.

The thread has been going for months* and topics regarding restrictions in countries all around the world which have come and then gone as the local situations changed have been discussed... But only now you decided that it's just Ireland that you want to talk about.

Why is Ireland going to keep restrictions in place when the rest of the world has reopened? What is there for Ireland to gain by remaining locked down when the rest of Europe and the UK are in the process of opening up? Why would Ireland want to do that to itself? Is this anything to do with Bill Gates, and if so then why is he only targeting Ireland with the magnetic/ 5G / glow in the dark/ population control vaccines?

Edit: We're nearly up to a year of this thread and still no idea what measures are permanent or why.

robinph

Has a vaccine ever been capable of doing so many things?

There are times when drugs are developed for one thing, then they subsequently discover that it actually works really well for treating another thing instead. But with the covid vaccines which all work very well at dealing with covid, for all vaccines to then also work as tracking devices, 5G signal repeaters, be magnetic, glow in the dark and also work as a population control system where presumably someone in a volcano lair will select who and when someone dies at the touch of a button at some point in the future.

Never seen it mentioned that the magnetism or 5G is specific to a particular one of the vaccines either, so to have got all vaccines with that same tech in is really impressive.

[Deleted User]

robinph wrote: »

Why has it taken until this point for you to specify that it's about Ireland only.

The thread has been going for months* and topics regarding restrictions in countries all around the world which have come and then gone as the local situations changed have been discussed... But only now you decided that it's just Ireland that you want to talk about.

Why is Ireland going to keep restrictions in place when the rest of the world has reopened? What is there for Ireland to gain by remaining locked down when the rest of Europe and the UK are in the process of opening up? Why would Ireland want to do that to itself? Is this anything to do with Bill Gates, and if so then why is he only targeting Ireland with the magnetic/ 5G / glow in the dark/ population control vaccines?

Edit: We're nearly up to a year of this thread and still no idea what measures are permanent or why.

I have pointed out on a number of occasions that this thread is about Ireland. Also, the post is on a discussion forum in Ireland and brianhere gives examples specific to Ireland in his original post.

You can keep saying the 'over a year into this' or the other one about '6000 posts and no explanation as to why ...' thing, but that doesn't make it true. I have said that I believe the reason masks won't be scrapped is because there is no appetite among the population at large for them to go, there has been no definitive statement made about them being scrapped and if there is concern about variants then I don't see how they will ever go because there will always be variants.

I increasingly believe that this is the wrong forum for this thread. Or that it could also be discussed in the main thread. There is a discussion to be had on what measures will persist.

Ireland is unique in Europe in having no opposition, be it in politics or in the media. That's why Ireland it the outlier in Europe.

I never mentioned Bill Gates or 5G.

[Deleted User]

EyesClosed wrote: »

But the original post implied this is all to role out communist government... Is that just in Ireland?
So what you implying is this.
A world wide pandemic was faked or launched to just turn the Irish government into a communist dictatorship.
So why?
Also can you not see how ridiculous that sounds?

I don't believe that. I don't think masks will be scraped because there's no appetite among the public at large for them to go and it's not realistic to believe they'll go. I think this thread is in the wrong forum.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't see masks going and have seen no evidence to suggest they will.

But again as you've admitted you can't provide a rational reason for why masks will be permanent.

Why do you keep insisting on this when you've admitted that there's no benefit for keep masks permanently?

Dohnjoe

Gortanna wrote: »

I have said that I believe the reason masks won't be scrapped is because there is no appetite among the population at large for them to go, there has been no definitive statement made about them being scrapped and if there is concern about variants then I don't see how they will ever go because there will always be variants.

You believe we will have to wear masks forever because "people like them", whereas Brianhere believes the opposite, that the state is forcing them on us permanently as part of some rollout of mass Communism in Ireland

Which is it?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I have pointed out on a number of occasions that this thread is about Ireland. Also, the post is on a discussion forum in Ireland and brianhere gives examples specific to Ireland in his original post.

You can keep saying the 'over a year into this' or the other one about '6000 posts and no explanation as to why ...' thing, but that doesn't make it true. I have said that I believe the reason masks won't be scrapped is because there is no appetite among the population at large for them to go, there has been no definitive statement made about them being scrapped and if there is concern about variants then I don't see how they will ever go because there will always be variants.

I increasingly believe that this is the wrong forum for this thread. Or that it could also be discussed in the main thread. There is a discussion to be had on what measures will persist.

Ireland is unique in Europe in having no opposition, be it in politics or in the media. That's why Ireland it the outlier in Europe.

I never mentioned Bill Gates or 5G.

Except the thread was always enjoy a global conspiracy. Governments handling a pandemic is less a conspiracy and more just generally varying assessment of the risk. Like restrictions are going but it's not gonna be overnight.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You can keep saying the 'over a year into this' or the other one about '6000 posts and no explanation as to why ...' thing, but that doesn't make it true. I have said that I believe the reason masks won't be scrapped is because there is no appetite among the population at large for them to go, there has been no definitive statement made about them being scrapped and if there is concern about variants then I don't see how they will ever go because there will always be variants.
.

This isn't accurate.
You only started on this idea that "the public want it" after thousands of posts asking to explain why you believe masks will be permanent. And this is after you changed your vague non answer several times.
And of course this explanation was based on a lie you told and was called out.
And additional you are now also avoiding the question of why the public randomly wants masks to be permanent.

Again you ignore the question is an admission that you can't answer it.
It would be more honest if you just said that directly rather than pretending difficult questions didn't exist.

So since you've admitted that the public doesn't want masks to be permanent and you've admitted there's no reason for anyone to force masks to be permanent and there's no conspiracy behind them. You now agree that no measures will be permanent. Right?

Or are you just going to ignore again?

robinph

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You can keep saying the 'over a year into this' or the other one about '6000 posts and no explanation as to why ...' thing, but that doesn't make it true. I have said that I believe the reason masks won't be scrapped is because there is no appetite among the population at large for them to go, there has been no definitive statement made about them being scrapped and if there is concern about variants then I don't see how they will ever go because there will always be variants.

So laws requiring people to wear masks will remain because the population want to be told that they must wear masks even when there isn't any reason for them to wear masks, and once the rest of the world stops wearing masks... the Irish population will still be demanding a law placed on them to make them wear masks.

Why would the population want to do that to themselves when restrictions are dropped elsewhere? Why would the Irish government alone, and no other government world wide, have such a restriction on their population? What is so different about the Irish that they would do that to themselves?

robinph

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is a discussion to be had on what measures will persist.

On that I'd agree, but if people happen to not go into work if they are ill, or wear a mask on public transport so as not to spread whatever they have to others, or working from home remains an option for people, less city centre offices, change to the city centre economy due to different footfall due to working from home more, more people being active in order to try and look after their health better, higher uptake of annual flu vaccine, people being more aware of situations where they are spreading their germs around and a bunch of other changes to social interactions... That is still not a conspiracy.

The thread title is clearly about ALL restrictions and them being PERMANENT and that this is being done for some nefarious reasons by some unknown body. No part of that claim has yet been explained in any way whatsoever. No idea who is running this plan, or why, and the ALL restrictions bit has been repeatedly proven to be very, very wrong indeed.

BillyBiggs

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Are you claiming that restrictions will only be permanent in Ireland? Does the easing of restrictions in the UK not show proof that they indeed are not permanent and will indeed be eased in Ireland too?

You see the whole thing confuses me overall. This time last year when there was no vaccine available I could drink inside in a bar and have a nine euro meal. Now that a lot of the country have had at least one shot of the vaccine 12 months later, it is more dangerous for me to eat/ drink indoors. I’m probably not the right guy to answer your question.

Dohnjoe

BillyBiggs wrote: »

You see the whole thing confuses me overall. This time last year when there was no vaccine available I could drink inside in a bar and have a nine euro meal. Now that a lot of the country have had at least one shot of the vaccine 12 months later, it is more dangerous for me to eat/ drink indoors. I’m probably not the right guy to answer your question.

Because the virus hasn't remained static. When cases were dropping, measures could be relaxed, when another wave was hitting, measures increased. It's not complicated, yet we constantly see people on this specific forum struggling with these basic concepts.

BillyBiggs

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Because the virus hasn't remained static. When cases were dropping, measures could be relaxed, when another wave was hitting, measures increased. It's not complicated, yet we constantly see people on this specific forum struggling with these basic concepts.

Do you think we could have years of lockdowns then, because of new strains emerging?

EyesClosed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't believe that. I don't think masks will be scraped because there's no appetite among the public at large for them to go and it's not realistic to believe they'll go. I think this thread is in the wrong forum.

Right so you don't believe all restrictions will be permanent. You now think just masks will be, and because people like them.
You've moved the goal posts so, instead of as the thread title suggests ALL covid measures being permanent, it's now ONE measure, which MIGHT stay.
So what's the conspiracy?