Biker79 wrote: » Not if they were in a car with no idea how far away the house was. They may have been drunkenly fumbling to open the gate, and spotted by Sophie, who then went down to confront them.
SoulWriter wrote: » The gate wouldn't stop party goers. They would just climb over the gate. So would anyone else who wanted to access.I think the issue of closing the gate was about horses?
odyssey06 wrote: » Wouldnt really happen at breakfast time though? More of an the after pubs close to 2am kind of thing?
Biker79 wrote: » The ' looking for a party ' angle is compelling. Unknown person(s) arrive at the gate, hearing of a party nearby. STDP is having breakfast, hears them attempting to get in, puts on gear to walk down to gate Is annoyed at person(s) at gate trying to enter her property so heated argument/ fight ensues.. Person(s) at gate are intoxicated so level of violence gets way out of hand. Persons(s) speed off leaving little evidence/ motive. Doesn't explain the blood on the cottage door though.
john123470 wrote: » Exactly, it is no more than a possible scenario. Although, the fact that Sophie "complained to Gardai about drug use in the area" would seem to indicate that she was in fact riled up about her neighbour Unless ie. Alfie and his mates were blowing weed smoke in her windows, it shd not have bothered her
monkeybutter wrote: » i couldnt find anything on it anyway to say if that was the case
john123470 wrote: » It's a bit like the Japanese movie RASHOMON (1950) where 4 witnesses give different accounts of the murder of a man and the rape of his wife. The Director's point was that we shd even suspect what we have seen with our own eyes. Short of a confession, I don't think the murderer will ever be found. And we will not discover him / her / them via discussion here. Meanwhile, all we have left is speculation and wondering out loud. It is ok to correct those speculations if they are miscontrued but we are still no wiser. The main takeaway I have got from watching both documentaries is how not to conduct a murder investigation
Mackwiss wrote: » Alfie, as mentioned before was unable even to stand at work anymore...
Mackwiss wrote: » This is all complete speculation on this thread now and just shows the power of mob mentality of keeping adding little non-factual details to a story. Just like it happened with IB in the several months and years after the murder... In 100 pages from now Alfie will be a demon humanoid half man half goat eating drugs (since some goats ate his drugs)
Mackwiss wrote: » Alfie, as mentioned before was unable even to stand at work anymore... And there was no house party at all... Alfie and wife where affected by this for years as it was mentioned in the early posts on this thread This is all complete speculation on this thread now and just shows the power of mob mentality of keeping adding little non-factual details to a story. Just like it happened with IB in the several months and years after the murder... In 100 pages from now Alfie will be a demon humanoid half man half goat eating drugs (since some goats ate his drugs)
Weddings ahoy wrote: » How do you know he was after a house party ??
dark crystal wrote: » Well she knows him better than anybody else does. I suppose she feels there would have been certain signs if her long term partner had got out of bed in the middle of that night, walked for an hour up roads and boreens, battered a stranger to death, walked an hour back through the same roads and boreens, washed himself, scrubbed both his studio and home free of any incriminating DNA evidence and then calmly brought her tea in bed at 9am? Do you think you'd notice something was a bit 'off' with your long term partner had they committed a random brutal murder just a matter of hours before? Perhaps in the 25 years that followed, a confession may have slipped out at some stage? Like I said before, she should have left him in the April before the murder, but she didn't and stayed with him for a quarter of a decade after the fact, so unless you or I know something she doesn't, we would have to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she believes in his innocence for a good reason.
bemak wrote: » Remember as well that he was after a house party so he could be in the depths of a raging hangover so the last thing he'd want is an argument. Great theory though
Gussie Scrotch wrote: » True, but is been mentioned by several sources, Gemma O'Doherty's hatchet job on the Guards mentions the "testy" relationship Sophie had with her neighbours and there are quite a few other sources. But you're absolutely right, nobody can say, unequivocally, that there was a simmering row between Sophie and Alfie/Shirley. All I would say is this: If there was ongoing friction between them, its a possibility that it could have boiled over and escalated. And that such a hypothetical scenario, would fit in with many of the known facts. No more than that
Polly701 wrote: » I don't know who did it.. But all possibilities should be looked at. Could it be that Sophie looked out the window and saw Alfie at the gate in the early morning moonlight.. And thought I'm going to talk to him now about leaving this gate open - something that had annoyed them both on an ongoing basis. She walked down to the gate and they argued. He didn't set out to hit her but was enraged by this 'blow in, holidaymaker' telling him what to do with his gate.. One blow led to another - he 'lost it'.. He then went back up the hill - paused at her door to check if it was open, double check nobody else was there... And then back up to his partner who would have to go along with it or lose the life they has waited so long for - I know nothing about her. This is just a theory.. Like all the other theories. He had a huge garden (a number of acres?) so would have gotten help.. That would not necessarily point to his fragility in itself.. The murder happened so close to their home... In an eerily quite place.. It is odd that they heard nothing at all - no screams, no shouting, no car engine.. It is often said that Bailey loves the sound of his own voice - did he commit this crime in complete silence?? Again.. I don't know who did it.. But the Guards were so blinkered in how they approached - it is an awful shame that they didn't investigate all possible scenarios. The 'evidence' against Bailey is shockingly flimsy.
Gussie Scrotch wrote: » True, but is been mentioned by several sources, Gemma O'Doherty's hatchet job on the Guards mentions the "testy" relationship Sophie had with her neighbours and there are quite a few other sources. But you're absolutely right, nobody can say, unequivocally, that there was a simmering row between Sophie and Alfie/Shirley. All I would say is this: If there was ongoing friction between them, its a possibility that it could have boiled over and escalated. And that such a hypothetical scenario, would fit in with many of the known facts.
namloc1980 wrote: » A single line in the Observer is hardly proof of anything. It doesn't even name the neighbours. Yet this single unverified line is taken as gospel.
Gussie Scrotch wrote: » Its been documented and discussed ( with links earlier in this thread ) The Observer magazine is one such source. Whether it could result in murder is purely a matter of speculation.
namloc1980 wrote: » What's the evidence of this dispute over the gate being a fact? And that it was such a serious dispute that it could result in murder.
john123470 wrote: » As guilty as the murderer/s who clobbered her to death are, Inspector Closeau-Dwyer and his gang are just as guilty for neglect of duty if not for aiding and abetting a crime
john123470 wrote: » The fact that there was a running dispute between Sophie and Alfie about the gate is very hard to dismiss.
Heat_Wave wrote: » Where can we watch this back in Ireland?
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