chooseusername wrote: » Attachment not found. Or if walking drunk the difference is staggering. It's 2.5 miles walking (50 mins no shortcuts) or driving (4-5 mins). 2 miles as the crow flies.Attachment not found.
Deleted User wrote: » If I remember correctly no one heard Shirley continuously blowing the car horn when she found the body she had to run back to the house to get help, also I wouldn't imagine there would have been much screaming, I think one blow from the rock would leave a woman totally dazed or unconscious. Also, why would the person use the rock and then use the block, it must have been obvious that the damage was done (imo). Were there 2 people at the gate? The excuse of coming over Christmas week to get the heating fixed sounds ridiculous and untrue, was there ever confirmation that thos was a genuine reason, surely it would have been easier to just give a person access to do the work, no need for her to travel herself to sort it.
nc6000 wrote: » Dwyer comes across very poorly in both series, he thinks he's so clever. I'd love to see him try and explain the missing evidence etc. The Gardai don't come out this looking too clever in general, I thought the clip outside of Brandon station where one on them seemed in a rush to make last orders in the pub was particularly cringe.
Polly701 wrote: » Could it be that Sophie looked out the window and saw Alfie at the gate in the early morning moonlight.. And thought I'm going to talk to him now about leaving this gate open - something that had annoyed them both on an ongoing basis. She walked down to the gate and they argued. He didn't set out to hit her but was enraged by this 'blow in, holidaymaker' telling him what to do with his gate.. One blow led to another - he 'lost it'.. He then went back up the hill - paused at her door to check if it was open, double check nobody else was there... And then back up to his partner who would have to go along with it or lose the life they has waited so long for - I know nothing about her. This is just a theory.. Like all the other theories. He had a huge garden (a number of acres?) so would have gotten help.. That would not necessarily point to his fragility in itself.. The murder happened so close to their home... In an eerily quite place.. It is odd that they heard nothing at all - no screams, no shouting, no car engine.. It is often said that Bailey loves the sound of his own voice - did he commit this crime in complete silence?? Again.. I don't know who did it.. But the Guards were so blinkered in how they approached - it is an awful shame that they didn't investigate all possible scenarios. The 'evidence' against Bailey is shockingly flimsy.
Heat_Wave wrote: » Where can we watch this back in Ireland?
john123470 wrote: » The fact that there was a running dispute between Sophie and Alfie about the gate is very hard to dismiss.
john123470 wrote: » As guilty as the murderer/s who clobbered her to death are, Inspector Closeau-Dwyer and his gang are just as guilty for neglect of duty if not for aiding and abetting a crime
namloc1980 wrote: » What's the evidence of this dispute over the gate being a fact? And that it was such a serious dispute that it could result in murder.
Gussie Scrotch wrote: » Its been documented and discussed ( with links earlier in this thread ) The Observer magazine is one such source. Whether it could result in murder is purely a matter of speculation.
namloc1980 wrote: » A single line in the Observer is hardly proof of anything. It doesn't even name the neighbours. Yet this single unverified line is taken as gospel.
Gussie Scrotch wrote: » True, but is been mentioned by several sources, Gemma O'Doherty's hatchet job on the Guards mentions the "testy" relationship Sophie had with her neighbours and there are quite a few other sources. But you're absolutely right, nobody can say, unequivocally, that there was a simmering row between Sophie and Alfie/Shirley. All I would say is this: If there was ongoing friction between them, its a possibility that it could have boiled over and escalated. And that such a hypothetical scenario, would fit in with many of the known facts.
Polly701 wrote: » I don't know who did it.. But all possibilities should be looked at. Could it be that Sophie looked out the window and saw Alfie at the gate in the early morning moonlight.. And thought I'm going to talk to him now about leaving this gate open - something that had annoyed them both on an ongoing basis. She walked down to the gate and they argued. He didn't set out to hit her but was enraged by this 'blow in, holidaymaker' telling him what to do with his gate.. One blow led to another - he 'lost it'.. He then went back up the hill - paused at her door to check if it was open, double check nobody else was there... And then back up to his partner who would have to go along with it or lose the life they has waited so long for - I know nothing about her. This is just a theory.. Like all the other theories. He had a huge garden (a number of acres?) so would have gotten help.. That would not necessarily point to his fragility in itself.. The murder happened so close to their home... In an eerily quite place.. It is odd that they heard nothing at all - no screams, no shouting, no car engine.. It is often said that Bailey loves the sound of his own voice - did he commit this crime in complete silence?? Again.. I don't know who did it.. But the Guards were so blinkered in how they approached - it is an awful shame that they didn't investigate all possible scenarios. The 'evidence' against Bailey is shockingly flimsy.
Gussie Scrotch wrote: » True, but is been mentioned by several sources, Gemma O'Doherty's hatchet job on the Guards mentions the "testy" relationship Sophie had with her neighbours and there are quite a few other sources. But you're absolutely right, nobody can say, unequivocally, that there was a simmering row between Sophie and Alfie/Shirley. All I would say is this: If there was ongoing friction between them, its a possibility that it could have boiled over and escalated. And that such a hypothetical scenario, would fit in with many of the known facts. No more than that
bemak wrote: » Remember as well that he was after a house party so he could be in the depths of a raging hangover so the last thing he'd want is an argument. Great theory though
dark crystal wrote: » Well she knows him better than anybody else does. I suppose she feels there would have been certain signs if her long term partner had got out of bed in the middle of that night, walked for an hour up roads and boreens, battered a stranger to death, walked an hour back through the same roads and boreens, washed himself, scrubbed both his studio and home free of any incriminating DNA evidence and then calmly brought her tea in bed at 9am? Do you think you'd notice something was a bit 'off' with your long term partner had they committed a random brutal murder just a matter of hours before? Perhaps in the 25 years that followed, a confession may have slipped out at some stage? Like I said before, she should have left him in the April before the murder, but she didn't and stayed with him for a quarter of a decade after the fact, so unless you or I know something she doesn't, we would have to give her the benefit of the doubt and assume she believes in his innocence for a good reason.
Weddings ahoy wrote: » How do you know he was after a house party ??
Mackwiss wrote: » Alfie, as mentioned before was unable even to stand at work anymore... And there was no house party at all... Alfie and wife where affected by this for years as it was mentioned in the early posts on this thread This is all complete speculation on this thread now and just shows the power of mob mentality of keeping adding little non-factual details to a story. Just like it happened with IB in the several months and years after the murder... In 100 pages from now Alfie will be a demon humanoid half man half goat eating drugs (since some goats ate his drugs)
Mackwiss wrote: » This is all complete speculation on this thread now and just shows the power of mob mentality of keeping adding little non-factual details to a story. Just like it happened with IB in the several months and years after the murder... In 100 pages from now Alfie will be a demon humanoid half man half goat eating drugs (since some goats ate his drugs)
Mackwiss wrote: » Alfie, as mentioned before was unable even to stand at work anymore...
john123470 wrote: » It's a bit like the Japanese movie RASHOMON (1950) where 4 witnesses give different accounts of the murder of a man and the rape of his wife. The Director's point was that we shd even suspect what we have seen with our own eyes. Short of a confession, I don't think the murderer will ever be found. And we will not discover him / her / them via discussion here. Meanwhile, all we have left is speculation and wondering out loud. It is ok to correct those speculations if they are miscontrued but we are still no wiser. The main takeaway I have got from watching both documentaries is how not to conduct a murder investigation
monkeybutter wrote: » i couldnt find anything on it anyway to say if that was the case
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