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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

brianhere

All social/population control measures introduced by the state security apparatus as a result of this health scare will be, and have always intended to be, permanent in my view. Here are a few reasons why:
a) Because they already have shown that they are stringing people along. The publicans, for example, have been assured every couple of weeks for the whole summer that they will be allowed to reopen, but the government had no intention of allowing this. First it was to stop the spread of the disease altogether, then it was 'flattening the curve' and now it is in response to an increase in cases which they know perfectly well had to follow an increase in testing. You don't want to be the donkey chasing the carrot here!

b) Because they have invested so much money and time in changing the whole apparatus of society, in schools for example, and other places. Clearly these changes were not implemented in order to disappear in only a few weeks, they show the planning and expense of permanent measures.

c) Because the state has a record of never releasing back to the population rights that they seized during some panic. A few examples:
i) During the hype about TB in the 1950s the state introduced a voluntary scheme to control the disease in cattle. It involved those who had tested negative for the disease to be given a special tag and the farmer a 'herd number'. This voluntary scheme then evolved into the state controlling all aspects of agricultural activity by only allowing any such activity - even keeping a few hens - with the permission of the state, via compulsory herd numbers.
ii) Similar to this current panic, in the 1970s the state amended earlier WWII legislation to enable it to abolish jury trials. This was a great shock to the legal profession - even to the then President - and affront to the time honoured legal practices in Ireland but it was rushed through on the basis of sunset clauses whereby it would have to be renewed every year, and hence was temporary. Of course it is still with us long after the troubles have ended.
iii) After 9/11 and some hyped episodes like 'underwear bombers', this state and all around the world introduced time consuming and very intrusive security procedures particularly at airports. This of course is still with us long after the scare has died down.

d) This last point I am sure some of you will not get, but I will make it anyway. These measures are being rolled out precisely because they have huge social and population control advantages for the state, hence they are only piggy backing on the virus to do what they have all along planned to do, and hence have no intention of ever releasing you in the future from their newly introduced grip.

So look if you want to get your life back you should join the demonstrations next Saturday at 2.00pm at the Customs House and the Dáil in Dublin. You will not get released from this vice otherwise, they will compel you to harm your own health via vaccines and masks (of course it harms your health by restricting your breathing, and harming your health does not help somebody else), and otherwise we will descend further into this nightmare of Communist style spying on neighbours and bullying people in the name of social conformity.

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[Deleted User]

Grofus wrote: »

Sorry, I totally missed this post,
To answer the questions.
The covid passport itself won't instill fear, but it keeps the situation real and at the forefront, a constant reminder.
I think it will be needed to enjoy a 'normal life like going to the shops, cinemas, travel, every facet of life.

This has been claimed before.
But no one actually explain why the government needs to remind people about the pandemic. Or how either this or the vaccine passport will be used to control people.

Again, it's a vague empty claim that is only scary sounding as long as you don't think about it.

Grofus

King Mob wrote: »

This has been claimed before.
But no one actually explain why the government needs to remind people about the pandemic. Or how either this or the vaccine passport will be used to control people.

Again, it's a vague empty claim that is only scary sounding as long as you don't think about it.

How is it vague, I clearly stated you'll need it for everyday life, not just travelling abroad.
And what pandemic. Infection rates backed by bogus PCR testing.
Mate, Im sorry, but there's just no satisfying you.
Good luck

Grofus

Anyway, I need new conspiracy theories because all my old ones came true

PintOfView

Grofus wrote: »

As for the U,.S, early on they took a go home suck it and see approach. By the time patients sought medical help it was often too late for them,

So it looks like you acknowledge that the virus posed a real public health problem,
and can be the only explanation for those half a million deaths in the US last year.

Ivermectin may be potentially useful in relation to covid, however there are mixed reports
and the jury is still out on it. For the moment it looks like at most it may help, but it
doesn't seem to be in the same ball park as the vaccines - for eg. in the Pfizer vaccine trial
162 of the placebo takers got Covid (9 severe), vs 8 of the vaccinated (1 severe).

So are the other measures that were taken in the last year not reasonable in the circumstances,
where the virus is real, and it posed a real threat to a lot of people?
What would you have us do instead?
And at what cost in lives lost?

[Deleted User]

Grofus wrote: »

How is it vague, I clearly stated you'll need it for everyday life, not just travelling abroad.

It's vague because you're not explaining how this would actually be used to control people.

You claim that the vaccines passports are going to be permanent and used for everyday things.
Ok. Do you mean all things? If not, which things?
What about the current exemptions such a negative test? Are these going to go away? If so, how do you know that?

And again, how does this control people precisely?
You have to show a piece of paper occasionally? That's the end goal of the global depopulation conspiracy?

Grofus wrote: »

And what pandemic. Infection rates backed by bogus PCR testing.

Lol. Untrue conspiracy claim.
There's a pandemic. It's killed nearly 4 million people.

Grofus wrote: »

Mate, Im sorry, but there's just no satisfying you.
Good luck

No I would be satisfied if you actually answered questions directly.

Ignoring questions that make you upset and uncomfortable wouldn't really satisfy anyone.

However, as I said, you are doing a great job of showing why your claims and theory shouldn't be taken seriously, which is pretty satisfying.

Grofus

PintOfView wrote: »

So it looks like you acknowledge that the virus posed a real public health problem,
and can be the only explanation for those half a million deaths in the US last year.

Ivermectin may be potentially useful in relation to covid, however there are mixed reports
and the jury is still out on it. For the moment it looks like at most it may help, but it
doesn't seem to be in the same ball park as the vaccines - for eg. in the Pfizer vaccine trial
162 of the placebo takers got Covid (9 severe), vs 8 of the vaccinated (1 severe).

So are the other measures that were taken in the last year not reasonable in the circumstances,
where the virus is real, and it posed a real threat to a lot of people?
What would you have us do instead?
And at what cost in lives lost?

Early on, first three months or so, yes total panic for medics. They didn't know what they were dealing with so couldn't effectively treat it.
After that it was really only over 75 year olds that needed protecting. Even then the death rate is around 0,5%.
So why the total lockdowns, How many over 75 go to school, work etc,
Jobs lost, economy screwed, businesses closed never to reopen,
Suicide rates up, depression up, anxiety up. Alcohol cases up. Cancer patients dying through lack of treatment, often alone.
I personally know a young mother that died alone of cancer, two kids not allowed to be with her. Husband looking in through glass.
You tell me, do you think government measures worked. All the PUP payments will be clawed back in taxes. If you have a job.
Its a disgrace what they have scared folk into. I love to use stronger terms but will refrain.

Grofus

King Mob wrote: »

It's vague because you're not explaining how this would actually be used to control people.

You claim that the vaccines passports are going to be permanent and used for everyday things.
Ok. Do you mean all things? If not, which things?
What about the current exemptions such a negative test? Are these going to go away? If so, how do you know that?

And again, how does this control people precisely?
You have to show a piece of paper occasionally? That's the end goal of the global depopulation conspiracy?

Lol. Untrue conspiracy claim.
There's a pandemic. It's killed nearly 4 million people.

No I would be satisfied if you actually answered questions directly.

Ignoring questions that make you upset and uncomfortable wouldn't really satisfy anyone.

However, as I said, you are doing a great job of showing why your claims and theory shouldn't be taken seriously, which is pretty satisfying.

Good for you, happy to oblige

[Deleted User]

Grofus wrote: »

Its a disgrace what they have scared folk into. I love to use stronger terms but will refrain.

But what's really going on is that it's a depopulation plot where the vaccine will kill millions if not billions of people?

Again, you conspiracy theory is a bit all over the place.
And it's a bit odd to moan about scaremongering when you believe what you claim to believe.

Grofus

Grofus wrote: »

Good for you, happy to oblige

One last thing. You claim a pandemic has killed 4 million. Where is the proof.
Oh sorry the government told you, must be true then
The global death rate is pretty much were it always is.
You check that yourself.

PintOfView

Grofus wrote: »

Early on, first three months or so, yes total panic for medics. They didn't know what they were dealing with so couldn't effectively treat it.
After that it was really only over 75 year olds that needed protecting. Even then the death rate is around 0,5%.
So why the total lockdowns, How many over 75 go to school, work etc,
Jobs lost, economy screwed, businesses closed never to reopen,
Suicide rates up, depression up, anxiety up. Alcohol cases up. Cancer patients dying through lack of treatment, often alone.
I personally know a young mother that died alone of cancer, two kids not allowed to be with her. Husband looking in through glass.
You tell me, do you think government measures worked. All the PUP payments will be clawed back in taxes. If you have a job.
Its a disgrace what they have scared folk into. I love to use stronger terms but will refrain.

Go to go in a minute, but quickly

Mortality rates
Mortality rates I've seen seem to be much higher than you suggest
have you a reference for your numbers?

Economy screwed
In Ireland we're lucky that a large percentage of jobs were able to continue,
so the economy wasn't as badly affected as it might have been,
Could the economy have been even worse in the absence of a lockdown?

Suicide rates up
There doesn't seem to be evidence of this. What do you base this on?

Cancer patients dying alone
Yes, I think a lot of people died in tragic circumstances this past year.
However what do you think would have happened with no lockdown?
If the virus had spread uncontrolled, would our hospitals have been able to cope?
Would people have had to die in hospital car parks, or at home, suffocating?
Would cancer services have continued as normal?

PintOfView

Grofus wrote: »

One last thing. You claim a pandemic has killed 4 million. Where is the proof.
Oh sorry the government told you, must be true then
The global death rate is pretty much were it always is.
You check that yourself.

The death rate in the US in 2020 wasn't what it always was!!!

If half a million extra died in the US in 2020,
surely it's plausible that 4 million died worldwide from it to date (I don't know the actual numbers)?

[Deleted User]

Grofus wrote: »

One last thing. You claim a pandemic has killed 4 million. Where is the proof.
Oh sorry the government told you, must be true then
The global death rate is pretty much were it always is.
You check that yourself.

Yes. All medical and health organisations have contributed to that number.

You're welcome to show a more accurate number and the evidence you use to reach that number.

However, as with previous points, you will ignore this and run away without supporting your claim.

[Deleted User]

PintOfView wrote: »

The death rate in the US in 2020 wasn't what it always was!!!

If half a million extra died in the US in 2020,
surely it's plausible that 4 million died worldwide from it to date (I don't know the actual numbers)?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

This is a good site that collects data from a lot of sources and gives a straight answer to the number.

Currently it's at 3.9 million

Grofus

PintOfView wrote: »

The death rate in the US in 2020 wasn't what it always was!!!

If half a million extra died in the US in 2020,
surely it's plausible that 4 million died worldwide from it to date (I don't know the actual numbers)?

Sod this, I tried posting a link to knoema , com showing Irish mortality rates for last 12 years Site denied it.
Anyway it showed an increase of 1 death per 10,000 people
Like I said, what pandemic, what emergency and why are perfectly healthy people being given unproven 'vaccines'
WHY???
How many flu deaths in Ireland last year, none is the answer. Not one.

[Deleted User]

Grofus wrote: »

Sod this, I tried posting a link to knoema , com showing Irish mortality rates for last 12 years Site denied it.
Anyway it showed an increase of 1 death per 10,000 people
Like I said, what pandemic, what emergency and why are perfectly healthy people being given unproven 'vaccines'
WHY???

The vaccines aren't unproven. There is a pandemic.

Your facts are simply wrong because you swallow everything you're told by crank sites like Daily Expose and you don't to anything to see if what you're told is true.

Conversely, notice how you're not able to actually answer the question yourself.
You can't explain why this is happening in the conspiracy theory context.
Something about depopulation that you can't actually detail or prove, something about control that you can't articulate, something about Free man of the Land magic....

Grofus

King Mob wrote: »

The vaccines aren't unproven. There is a pandemic.

Your facts are simply wrong because you swallow everything you're told by crank sites like Daily Expose and you don't to anything to see if what you're told is true.

Conversely, notice how you're not able to actually answer the question yourself.
You can't explain why this is happening in the conspiracy theory context.
Something about depopulation that you can't actually detail or prove, something about control that you can't articulate, something about Free man of the Land magic....

I'm not posting links as this site won't let me.
I've just looked the death rates for Ireland, was up 1 every 10,000 people last. Pandemic me hole

[Deleted User]

Grofus wrote: »

I'm not posting links as this site won't let me.
I've just looked the death rates for Ireland, was up 1 every 10,000 people last. Pandemic me hole

So you claim. However, this isn't likely to be the case.

You have been very dishonestly ignoring points, so I don't think you'd be above lying about or misrepresenting whatever link you're trying to post.

The reality is there is a pandemic.

I know that's a bit scary to accept, but it's true.

It's odd that you are denying the pandemic exists while also claiming there's a secret plot involving all billionaires and all governments to depopulate the planet using the vaccine.
Do you not see the contradiction there?

Grofus

OMG, they are most definitely are unproven. Emergency licence is very different to approved for use. Full scale approval takes min 8 years, Genius.
If you can't understand that very simple concept im wasting my time here.

[Deleted User]

Grofus wrote: »

OMG, they are most definitely are unproven. Emergency licence is very different to approved for use. Full scale approval takes min 8 years, Genius.

According to you, but as we've seen you're not a very reliable source.
For example, you believe there's a global depopulation conspiracy and you're a believer in Freeman of the Land stuff.
Additionally, you are denying there's a pandemic and possibly believe covid doesn't exist.

You believe clearly ridiculous and false things, so why should anyone believe your unsourced claim that vaccines can only be safe if they've been tested for 8 years?

In reality, the vaccines have undergone extensive testing, including for safety and effectiveness.
You will no doubt claim these studies are all fake and part of the conspiracy, right?

Grofus wrote: »

If you can't understand that very simple concept im wasting my time here.

You wouldn't be wasting your time if you just focused on coherent and direct answers.

For example, you could explain what measures specifically will be permanent and why.

If you can't do that, maybe the reason you're wasting you time is that you're pushing false, silly and embarrassing conspiracy theories you swallowed from the internet?

Grofus

King Mob wrote: »

According to you, but as we've seen you're not a very reliable source.
For example, you believe there's a global depopulation conspiracy and you're a believer in Freeman of the Land stuff.
Additionally, you are denying there's a pandemic and possibly believe covid doesn't exist.

You believe clearly ridiculous and false things, so why should anyone believe your unsourced claim that vaccines can only be safe if they've been tested for 8 years?

In reality, the vaccines have undergone extensive testing, including for safety and effectiveness.
You will no doubt claim these studies are all fake and part of the conspiracy, right?

You wouldn't be wasting your time if you just focused on coherent and direct answers.

For example, you could explain what measures specifically will be permanent and why.

If you can't do that, maybe the reason you're wasting you time is that you're pushing false, silly and embarrassing conspiracy theories you swallowed from the internet?

Good luck with vaccine mate

Dohnjoe

Grofus wrote: »

I'm not posting links as this site won't let me.
I've just looked the death rates for Ireland, was up 1 every 10,000 people last. Pandemic me hole

Ireland had only 230 to 354 ICU beds, there was a very real possibility of these being overwhelmed.

It is a global pandemic, almost 4 million people have died in a period of a year and a half. The vaccines have passed their testing phase. Bill Gates doesn't want to "kill people", that's a myth created by the conspiracy community.

You haven't offered any proper evidence for your conspiracy apart from incredulity and conspiracy tropes

[Deleted User]

Grofus wrote: »

Good luck with vaccine mate

Yup. And again, dodging points you can't address.

The points make you uncomfortable and upset because they're causing little slivers of doubt in your religious conspiracy beliefs.

This wouldn't be an issue if you were actually open to ideas and were willing to question what you've been told to believe.

runawaybishop

Grofus wrote: »

Good luck with vaccine mate

Another comprehensive rebuttal from the people that wildy believe Brian the binmans grifting bitchute videos but insist that other people are sheeple, not them.

What an embarrassing post, but I guess you are used to them at this stage.

pearcider

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-social-distancing-and-masks-here-to-stay-as-new-variants-inevitable-expert-says-12339775

This is never going to stop and the sooner people realise this the better. This is their excuse to build their world police state. They want total control of people and they want to remake the world how they want it. Pure evil.

[Deleted User]

pearcider wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-social-distancing-and-masks-here-to-stay-as-new-variants-inevitable-expert-says-12339775

This is never going to stop and the sooner people realise this the better. This is their excuse to build their world police state. They want total control of people and they want to remake the world how they want it. Pure evil.

Ok.
Why do they want masks to be permanent?

It's been 5000 pages and we've heard everything except an answer to this that is rational and with any depth.

You know the reason for this as well as we do.
You can't answer it cause it doesn't make sense.

runawaybishop

pearcider wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-social-distancing-and-masks-here-to-stay-as-new-variants-inevitable-expert-says-12339775

This is never going to stop and the sooner people realise this the better. This is their excuse to build their world police state. They want total control of people and they want to remake the world how they want it. Pure evil.

Pure evil? Pure nonsense more like, a world police state lol.

Due to new strains, Mr Nabarro suggested that mask-wearing and keeping apart would still be necessary for areas of high infection.

Oh no, this is Satan's work.

[Deleted User]

runawaybishop wrote: »

Pure evil? Pure nonsense more like, a world police state lol.

Due to new strains, Mr Nabarro suggested that mask-wearing and keeping apart would still be necessary for areas of high infection.

Oh no, this is Satan's work.

Pretty much exactly what happened to Jewish people under Hitler, apparently.

Dohnjoe

pearcider wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-social-distancing-and-masks-here-to-stay-as-new-variants-inevitable-expert-says-12339775

This is never going to stop and the sooner people realise this the better. This is their excuse to build their world police state. They want total control of people and they want to remake the world how they want it. Pure evil.

Who are "they"? and when will this happen?

How did you get this highly classified information, Facebook?

Timberrrrrrrr

pearcider wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-social-distancing-and-masks-here-to-stay-as-new-variants-inevitable-expert-says-12339775

This is never going to stop and the sooner people realise this the better. This is their excuse to build their world police state. They want total control of people and they want to remake the world how they want it. Pure evil.

Hmmmm, really?

Housing secretary says compulsory mask wearing will end on July 19

https://f7td5.app.goo.gl/yT1EPh

Robert Jenrick said the success of the UK's vaccination programme means the government is "able to think about how we can return to normality as much as possible".

According to reports in the Sunday newspapers, face masks and social distancing will no longer be required once step four comes into effect.

According to the Sunday Times, having to scan a QR code before entering a bar, restaurant or similar venue would also be a thing of the past after 19 July

In addition, Downing Street said on Saturday it is considering scrapping quarantine requirements for those who have received two vaccine doses.

Asked about face masks, Mr Jenrick said: "Like many people, I want to get away from these restrictions as quickly as I possibly can.

BillyBiggs

One conspiracy that I would believe in is that the Irish government tricked people into thinking that if a large percentage of the population got the vaccine, they could freely avail of pubs and restaurants this summer, without restrictions. The government were happy to sell that lie till last week. Now the emphasis seems to be on getting the younger people, say 18- 25 year olds to get the vaccine, in the hope that they could go “clubbing” in the next six months.