Junkyard Tom wrote: » Give it a few months, when the impact of Brexit begins to bite in Britain then we'll see where the real commercial damage is.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » +UPDATE+ UK govt looking at proposals to bring in the British army & militairy logistics to prevent the collapse of supermarket supply chains.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » I suspect unionists will pipe-down when they realise the privileges the north has been gifted and the damage they've helped the Tories inflict on GB.
Hamsterchops wrote: » The NI protocol wrecks their heads, + its doing much commercial damage to the connections (commercial & otherwise) between NI and GB.
Junkyard Tom wrote: » Fewer and fewer Scots, Welsh, and people from the north of Ireland are self-identifying as 'British'. I think it's down to around 50% in Scotland and about 30% in the north of Ireland.
Hamsterchops wrote: » why should we tell them they ain't British anymore?
Hamsterchops wrote: » Scottish & British, Welsh & British, English & British, Northern Irish & British, Pakistani & British, Afro Carribbean & British, Manx & British, Channel Islander & British ... British, a cultural identity, a sense of being, ones Nationality, holding a Passport, belonging to, being part of, feeling a kinship with the British people living on these islands, so why should we tell them they ain't British anymore? NI is connected to GB for many reasons, most of which I've mentioned above, and from (their perspective) the NI protocol cuts them off from their cultural & commercial Mothership (GB).
CelticRambler wrote: » Does that mean you finally accept that Northern Irish tradition and identity is separate and distinct from being British. Kinda like it says on title page of every UK passport?
downcow wrote: » It’s great. I am happy for 100% to move to northern Irish. That would be my dream situation
downcow wrote: » I didn’t mention an opinion poll so I don’t know why you are quoting me ?
Seth Brundle wrote: » Tell us more please The results of an opinion poll isn't the same as a properly conceived and organised border poll
FrancieBrady wrote: » Far more former Unionists are moving to the Alliance and the 'Northern Irish' designation. You'll probably ignore that reality until it is too late too. DUP certainly are.
Seth Brundle wrote: » Tell us more please
FrancieBrady wrote: » As an excerise in exceptionalism the British Ambassador's performance in his RTE interview this morning was exemplary. Shockingly so.
downcow wrote: » Your problem is that fewer and fewer nationalist refer to ‘the north’. More and more are buying into ‘northern Ireland’ as their home. Yous waited a 100 years to get a catholic majority and now those pesky Catholics have just gone and decided they don’t want a UI lol
salonfire wrote: » You're getting out-numbered, out-educated and out-earned by nationalists in the North. Your "wee country" is getting wee-r and wee-r. I don't think nationalists need worry too much.
downcow wrote: » And vice versa
Junkyard Tom wrote: » The unionism of dominance is being nudged out of existence. Unionism was never about being 'British' it was about dominance of Ireland and when the 'natives' said 'no more' unionism retreated into the northeast to try to preserve their rotten rule. One way or another unionists live in Ireland amongst the Irish and they'd better get used to it.
downcow wrote: » talking absolute nonsense. But that explains it
CelticRambler wrote: » I quoted Sunny Disposition; boards.ie did some weirdness to it and attributed it to one of your posts instead, while retaining SD's text ... Fixed now.
downcow wrote: » I am pretty sure you have edited a post of mine. Can you show me where I said what you are quoting as mine. Please retract or correct
CelticRambler wrote: » Only because they're doing their damnedest to make it happen. Their fundamental problem is that they will not accept the reality of their own history and tradition, nor the fact that the world changes. Their deepest roots lie in Scotland, not England, yet they place all their hopes on an English parliament. They supposedly pledge allegiance to the English monarch, yet their hallmark event of the year is a celebration of their loyalty to the Dutch monarchy. They claim to be British, yet the vast majority of Britain regards them as Irish living on the island of Ireland. They could have their Anglo-Dutch-Celtic cake and eat it if they'd stop always trying to be something they're not, and accept that life - on balance - would be a hell of a lot better for them as an "ethnic" community living in a United Ireland. There's a town not far from where I live in France that identified as Scottish and was ruled by the House of Stuart and others for 400 years, until it willingly opted to blend with the surrounding French territories in 1840. If you go there today, you can still see and feel straight away that you're amongst Scots. If those Scots could do it and be happy with the arrangement, then the Scots that now call themselves Ulster Protestants could just as easily do the same.
schmittel wrote: » Why is it that a Scottish marching band looks like a celebration of their culture, history and identity which is inviting to all to admire and respect?Whereas an Orange Order marching band just looks like a crew of thugs looking for a fight?
Sunny Disposition wrote: » it's genuinely very hard to be an Ulster Protestant now. Over the years they've been hounded and killed by the IRA, often had issues with their government in the UK and the whole thing is based on a historic injustice to Catholics. And now their wee country, the strongest manifestation of Ulster Protestant identity, is being nudged out of existence.
Sunny Disposition wrote: » It's just keeping the pot boiling, and I don't blame the ones taking the case, even though they probably know they've little chance. Sure, all this is frustrating for nationalists, but it's genuinely very hard to be an Ulster Protestant now. Over the years they've been hounded and killed by the IRA, often had issues with their government in the UK and the whole thing is based on a historic injustice to Catholics. And now their wee country, the strongest manifestation of Ulster Protestant identity, is being nudged out of existence. I'm sorry, but it's not surprising unionism is acting the way it is. Of course they should accept change, but no one can be surprised that some find it hard.
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