In Cork, Bus Éireann services travel on 625km of roadway but just 14km - 2.2pc - is bus priority. A study by Jacobs Consultants on behalf of the company identified 25 pinch points where speeds fell to between 1kmh and 6kmh at peak times.
LXFlyer wrote: » The problem with that approach was, as I said, that the Dublin Choices report was simply too high level, and to be honest the population responding was rather skewed towards those with a specific interest in the topic. It clearly wasn’t what people wanted as the result of the first draft proved in relation to existing journeys to/from the city.
donvito99 wrote: » This just demonstrates that the public really don't know what they want and that there's only so much use to a public consultation.
LXFlyer wrote: » Well actually, they generally do know what they want when a detailed plan is presented. When extremely high level and simplistic options (or questions) are presented or posed, you can get a very skewed response because people don’t fully understand the implications. That original choices report was far too high level and simplistic. The number of responses to the first draft network proposal I think would counter your theory didn’t know what they wanted. They didn’t want changing to the degree it required, that much was clear.
densification wrote: » I’ve been changing buses on my commutes for years. It’s grand when there both frequent and have enough capacity. Maybe it’s a fear of the unknown? I wonder how much opposition was stoked up by opportunistic politicians who thought they could start a loca l campaign and get their name out there .
Trains are very expensive to run
I thought the routes were supposed to be published in October?
I was thinking same. Another missed schedule deadline..
Add it to the growing list
Being published today according to the Examiner.
This part in the article is a bit of a concern though:
The infrastructure element of BusConnects Cork, the delivery of more than 100km of bus lanes, is being addressed through a separate process.
Same as the Dublin one really, the network rejig is separate to the infrastructure works. If you think about it, tying the two together would just delay the network rollout unnecessarily. There'll probably be infrastructure that comes with the network as well, like the bus interchange at Liffey Valley that they've started work on.
Details including route maps are up on the bus connects website now
Yep I was just going to say the same: what's on the site now is definitely new:
https://busconnects.ie/busconnects-cork/
The infrastructure side of things will be a real challenge. I hope they succeed.
BusConnects network redesign now live.
No bus service proposed on South Terrace, George's Quay, Grand Parade or South Mall. Those are busy bus corridors at the moment but will not have any buses under BusConnects.
No obvious sign of any new P&R, but maybe that will be in a later stage.
Direct link from Kent to UCC and MTU seems to be gone (currently the #5). The new 2A from MTU bypasses both the train station and the bus station. Strange one.
Fares: 90 minute fare including rail and luas.
First official document I've seen referring to corks proposed light rail as 'luas' at least that's settled. Still no branding hints for the 'CART'
Unless I'm reading this wrong it looks like a massive scale down from what was proposed in CMATs and initial drafts. No orbital routes at all and for Douglas, where I live there, seems to be significant reductions of frequency on the 206 and 220 with the only new route being a second bus taking a different route to Carrigaline :/ Hugely underwhelming from what I can see
The only orbital that comes close to what was in CMATS is the new 14 from Little Island to CUH via the tunnel and Douglas. On the corridor from Douglas to the city there is a 10 minute frequency for midday on a weekday and likely higher at rush hour. Frequency looks ok to me there.
Regarding the two main spines out of Douglas to the city, the South Douglas Road and the Douglas Road, CMATs had 6 routes on the South Douglas Road and 4 on the Douglas Road, this plan has one route on each. CMATs would have resulted in a bus about every 2 minutes on each road. This plan will have one every 20 minutes on the South Douglas Road (down from every 15 minutes currently) and one every 10 minutes on the Douglas Road (up from every 15 minutes currently) leaving essentially the same frequency as is in place now. Its an extraordinary downgrade from what was planned.
CMATS wasn't really a plan but just an indicative although take the point BusConnects appears to fall well short of it. Having looked again the Douglas Road will actually have a much higher frequency than 10 per min and has more than 1 route on it. It'll have the:
That should translate to a c.5 minute frequency. The South Douglas Road is definitely a bit lacking at 20 minute frequencies.
It seems crazy that not one bus will serve South Mall or Grand Parade, given the investment in making those streets amenable to public transport.
Also, not keen to see that the bus network hub has been moved out to City Hall - dumping pedestrians who want to go into the city centre right on the most pedestrian-hostile set of roads in Cork.
Ya but you also currently have the 207 every 30 mins, the 216 every 30 minutes, the 220 every 15 minutes and the 223 every hour. It's going from 9 buses an hour to 12 buses an hour on the Douglas Road and from 4 buses an hour to 3 buses an hour on the South Douglas Road. An overall upgrade in frequency of 2 buses per hour covering the entiretity of Douglas, Passage, Rochestown and Carrigaline.
It is remarkably unambitious for the population and lack of other options in the regions. Its really a minor adjustment rather than any sort of overhaul. Arguably the 220 going from every 30 minutes to every 15 minutes was bigger than this plan.
I think you’re comparing peak-time now with off-peak under the new plan. The times quoted in the brochure and other materials are for daytime during weekdays - between the morning and evening peak periods
Yeah it's a bit wild. A lot of the cross city buses are all being funnelled down Patrick St in this redesign. Panaban will need to be enforced full time otherwise it will be chaos down there.
The frequency quoted in the documents is at 12 midday on a weekday so you would assume it would be higher again at morning and evening rush hour.
To be fair to snotboogie, they are quoting current off-peak frequencies and comparing them with the same frequencies in the new plan.
The full frequencies over the entire day are in the full report (https://busconnects.ie/media/2292/report-on-the-draft-new-network-print-quality.pdf) at page 47-49 and existing frequencies at pages 50-52.
Comparing morning peak frequency between 07:00 and 09:00:
206 - 8 buses
207 - 5 buses
216 - 4 buses
220 - 8 buses
220X - 4 buses
223 - 4 buses
The new proposal will have departures between 07:00 and 09:00:
3 - 12 buses
7 - 6 buses
8 - 7 buses
12 - 8 buses
41x - 3 buses
42x - 2 buses
Also the new 6 will operate from Grange Road via Kinsale Road (buses having previously been an outbound 8) - 7 buses
Also the 14 orbital would be 4 departures versus 2 currently on the 219.
Remember also that most single deck vehicles (if not all) in the Cork city fleet are going to be replaced by double decks, so frequency isn't the only capacity change happening.
It's funny the comments here are almost a carbon copy of the comments that were made on the first draft of the Dublin bus connects scheme, some areas left with a de facto reduction in service and generally underwhelming compared to the city strategy. With most people coming to concensus on the second draft and near universal support on third draft. I wonder is it deliberate, a way to get acceptance, albeit long drawn out.
Thw infrastructure proposals will make a bigger hit.
