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tibruit wrote: »

I knew about the female friend for years before the Netflix doc. She had never known the name of the writer/poet. I wasn`t aware of the male witness who stated that Sophie said his name was Eoin Bailey.

Your recollection strangley does not correspond with the female you are quoting who said she only remembered it post 2019.

That's odd. It's like you are creating your own reality.

tibruit wrote: »

And Bailey is reliable?

No you aren't. It seems.

odyssey06 wrote: »

Nope, she had not already clearly met Bailey. If she clearly already met her, please provides the dates times and locations.
If it was that clear, I assume it was documented even by the keystone cops investigating the case.

Expecting to meet him again? Nope, that's something you just made up.
It's not at all clear Bailey knew her. Alife thinks he introduced them but not certain.
This is a combinaion of conjecture and stuff you have made up in an entirely baseless and groundless manner.

Exactly - Its Alfie who thought he introduced Bailey to Sophie ( he wasnt certain though ). It may have suited Alfie to say this re Bailey - alerting the gardais attention towards Bailey and perhaps away from himself. This is no proof that Bailey had ever even spoken to Sophie. He never seemed to express to anyone else an interest in Sophie.

tibruit

listermint wrote: »

Your recollection strangley does not correspond with the female you are quoting who said she only remembered it post 2019.

That's odd. It's like you are creating your own reality.

Where did she say that?

The theory the gardai assumed for Bailey murdering Sophie seems to be that he was sexually rebuked by Sophie.

There doesnt seem to be any evidence though that Bailey was a womaniser - Has any other women come forward supporting this theory?

mioniqa

retro:electro wrote: »

Where can I read this?

This is the DPP file on Bailey: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/540818-83548065-sophie-toscan-du-plantier-dpp-file-2001.html

Hangdogroad

Deeec wrote: »

The theory the gardai assumed for Bailey murdering Sophie seems to be that he was sexually rebuked by Sophie.

There doesnt seem to be any evidence though that Bailey was a womaniser - Has any other women come forward supporting this theory?

The guy thinks he's God's gift to women, anyone who knows him well enough will tell you that.

tibruit wrote: »

Where did she say that?

Did you even watch the documentary......

Hangdogroad wrote: »

The guy thinks he's God's gift to women, anyone who knows him well enough will tell you that.

Many men think they are gods gift to women - it doesnt make them murderers though.

Has he tried it on with other women though? If he had this reputation there must be women out there who he has creeped out.

Hangdogroad wrote: »

The guy thinks he's God's gift to women, anyone who knows him well enough will tell you that.

None of the people put forward in any of the podcasts or documentaries have made that assertion though .

Neither did an attractive Italian student staying with them at the time...

She said he was a larger than live character

listermint wrote: »

None of the people put forward in any of the podcasts or documentaries have made that assertion though .

Neither did an attractive Italian student staying with them at the time...

She said he was a larger than live character

Its about the one thing they havent said about him!

Deeec wrote: »

Many men think they are gods gift to women - it doesnt make them murderers though.

Has he tried it on with other women though? If he had this reputation there must be women out there who he has creeped out.

some mention of it in the DPP's report

listermint wrote: »

Your recollection strangley does not correspond with the female you are quoting who said she only remembered it post 2019.

That's odd. It's like you are creating your own reality.

Agnes said she remembered when http://assoph.org/assoph.org/Welcome.html was set up. That was 2007

tibruit

listermint wrote: »

Did you even watch the documentary......

Ok....I`ll be more specific then. You said she only remembered post 2019. What is your evidence for this statement?

tibruit

tibruit wrote: »

Ok....I`ll be more specific then. You said she only remembered post 2019. What is your evidence for this statement?

Actually, you don`t have to answer....thanks to Soulwriter.

It's unsavoury to contemplate but certainly a necessary element of the case as the allegation is he was rebuffed by Sophie and lost it. Was Bailey even sexually active? There seems no testimony or evidence either way. Has Jules ever been asked if he was interested in sex? I understand he had sexual content in his diaries, but what about in real life?

With regards to the murder, personally I'm leaning towards the stranger at the gate scenario. Someone on the way up to Alfie's, a lot of unusual characters around the area at that time, as has been mentioned in previous posts, she saw a car, saw someone opening the gate, went down, got angry as she was won't to do, and the bastard killed her. The speeding car at 7:30 was him leaving.

Interesting that one "witness" says she said was going to meet a poet but the other assumption seems to be she asked people to go with her to Ireland because she was afraid of Bailey?

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting that one "witness" says she said was going to meet a poet but the other assumption seems to be she asked people to go with her to Ireland because she was afraid of Bailey?

I would imagine Bailey isnt the only poet in West Cork.

The witness only mentioned this when Bailey was chief suspect which is convenient.

Guy Gerard says Sophie told him about Bailey the evening before she left for Ireland

Netflix part 3 48.45

Polly701

A question for those who don't believe IBs explanation of how he got the scratches..

If his hands and arms were uncovered enough to get scratched from the briars then surely he would have left some of his own blood there? If the Guards had been even able to get a drop they would have shouted about it from the mountain tops!

odyssey06

SoulWriter wrote: »

Guy Gerard says Sophie told him about Bailey the evening before she left for Ireland
Netflix part 3 48.45

Now imagine a friend of mine tells me they are going to meet X before a trip to their holiday home in another country.
That friend is brutally murdered.
You don't tell the authorities about this until years later?

Believable?

Polly701 wrote: »

A question for those who don't believe IBs explanation of how he got the scratches..

If his hands and arms were uncovered enough to get scratched from the briars then surely he would have left some of his own blood there? If the Guards had been even able to get a drop they would have shouted about it from the mountain tops!

Youve raised a very valid question here. If he got scratched by the briars and was therefore barehanded surely there would be forensic evidence everywhere including the block.

odyssey06

Polly701 wrote: »

A question for those who don't believe IBs explanation of how he got the scratches..

If his hands and arms were uncovered enough to get scratched from the briars then surely he would have left some of his own blood there? If the Guards had been even able to get a drop they would have shouted about it from the mountain tops!

Apparently it was a 'frenzied' attack by Bailey.
Yet somehow left no blood, DNA, fingerprints or hair at the scene.

Bailey provided hair, blood, fingerprint samples to AGS.

Nothing was matched to him.
No blood.
No fingerprints.
No DNA under the victim's fingernails.
No matching hair samples on the victim or on these famous 'briars'.

AGS think Bailey is a suspect because he had scratches.

Beggars belief.

This is more than incomptence. This is a deliberate attempt to pervert the course of justice by the investigating members of AGS.

Pages ripped from the evidence book which would have shown this up.

monkeybutter

SoulWriter wrote: »

Guy Gerard says Sophie told him about Bailey the evening before she left for Ireland

Netflix part 3 48.45

She hardly told him after now did she

Given she was dead

Couple of Marie Farrell types on this thread

monkeybutter

tibruit wrote: »

Ok....I`ll be more specific then. You said she only remembered post 2019. What is your evidence for this statement?

Send us on a link to the media article so, seeing as it was in the media this should be easy

odyssey06 wrote: »

Now imagine a friend of mine tells me they are going to meet X before a trip to their holiday home in another country.
That friend is brutally murdered.
You don't tell the authorities about this until years later?

Believable?

when did Guy Gerard tell it?

monkeybutter

SoulWriter wrote: »

when did Guy Gerard tell it?

2 full years it took him to remember it

odyssey06

SoulWriter wrote: »

when did Guy Gerard tell it?

I can only find references to 1999 in relation to his statement.