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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

brianhere

All social/population control measures introduced by the state security apparatus as a result of this health scare will be, and have always intended to be, permanent in my view. Here are a few reasons why:
a) Because they already have shown that they are stringing people along. The publicans, for example, have been assured every couple of weeks for the whole summer that they will be allowed to reopen, but the government had no intention of allowing this. First it was to stop the spread of the disease altogether, then it was 'flattening the curve' and now it is in response to an increase in cases which they know perfectly well had to follow an increase in testing. You don't want to be the donkey chasing the carrot here!

b) Because they have invested so much money and time in changing the whole apparatus of society, in schools for example, and other places. Clearly these changes were not implemented in order to disappear in only a few weeks, they show the planning and expense of permanent measures.

c) Because the state has a record of never releasing back to the population rights that they seized during some panic. A few examples:
i) During the hype about TB in the 1950s the state introduced a voluntary scheme to control the disease in cattle. It involved those who had tested negative for the disease to be given a special tag and the farmer a 'herd number'. This voluntary scheme then evolved into the state controlling all aspects of agricultural activity by only allowing any such activity - even keeping a few hens - with the permission of the state, via compulsory herd numbers.
ii) Similar to this current panic, in the 1970s the state amended earlier WWII legislation to enable it to abolish jury trials. This was a great shock to the legal profession - even to the then President - and affront to the time honoured legal practices in Ireland but it was rushed through on the basis of sunset clauses whereby it would have to be renewed every year, and hence was temporary. Of course it is still with us long after the troubles have ended.
iii) After 9/11 and some hyped episodes like 'underwear bombers', this state and all around the world introduced time consuming and very intrusive security procedures particularly at airports. This of course is still with us long after the scare has died down.

d) This last point I am sure some of you will not get, but I will make it anyway. These measures are being rolled out precisely because they have huge social and population control advantages for the state, hence they are only piggy backing on the virus to do what they have all along planned to do, and hence have no intention of ever releasing you in the future from their newly introduced grip.

So look if you want to get your life back you should join the demonstrations next Saturday at 2.00pm at the Customs House and the Dáil in Dublin. You will not get released from this vice otherwise, they will compel you to harm your own health via vaccines and masks (of course it harms your health by restricting your breathing, and harming your health does not help somebody else), and otherwise we will descend further into this nightmare of Communist style spying on neighbours and bullying people in the name of social conformity.

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Fighting Tao

buzzerxx wrote: »

There isn't one, there is many IMHO.

Then why can't you even explain one?

Fighting Tao

buzzerxx wrote: »

I KNOW, its so amazing its unbelievable.

As an infamous Nazi once said....
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

State...what is there, 190+ countries? All bar 2 of them (North Korea, and Tanzania) are in on the plot. Even NK are identifying the pandemic as an issue. So 10's of millions of people are in on the conspiracy(ies)?

So how are you being repressed?

buzzerxx

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's very simple, what is the conspiracy? if there isn't one just say so

There isn't one, there is many IMHO.

Dohnjoe

buzzerxx wrote: »

5 years ago if I'd said “in the future, half of society will receive a shot that
only reduces symptoms, using technology that has zero long term safety data in humans, made by companies with extensive criminal records, all for something with a 99.8% survival rate, and that the people who don't want it would be discriminated against,shamed, and ostracized” you'd call me
a crazy conspiracy theorist.

It's very simple, what is the conspiracy? if there isn't one just say so

buzzerxx

The Nal wrote: »

So just to understand this, you believe that the "MSM", consisting of millions and millions of people worldwide, across all continents, races, religions, cultures and politicial stances are all being contolled by their governments?

Or even look at Ireland. Take RTE, Virgin, TG4, Today FM, The Journal, The Times, The Indo, the Examiner, The Star, Newstalk, Sunday Business Post, The Sun and The Herald. Tens of thousands of people all in. I know a good few and have worked in a couple of those places.

Every one of those people are "controlled" by the Irish government are they? And not one person has spoken out against the grand nefarious plan? Not one person with guilty conscience, one disgruntled employee (of which there are thousands in that industry) not one person who was fired in the last 18 months and was angry, not one person whos family has been effected by the last 18 months, not one leak of one of these evil meetings. Not one?

But you believe this?

I KNOW, its so amazing its unbelievable.

As an infamous Nazi once said....
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

buzzerxx

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's a comparison, with a comment and context. You are using the same techniques that guy uses.

You have repeatedly hinted there is some conspiracy afoot regarding Covid, yet when asked you dodge, ignore, evade and go off on conspiracy tangents. It's very simple, is there a conspiracy? if so, what is it?

5 years ago if I'd said “in the future, half of society will receive a shot that
only reduces symptoms, using technology that has zero long term safety data in humans, made by companies with extensive criminal records, all for something with a 99.8% survival rate, and that the people who don't want it would be discriminated against,shamed, and ostracized” you'd call me
a crazy conspiracy theorist.

Dohnjoe

The Nal wrote: »

So just to understand this, you believe that the "MSM", consisting of millions and millions of people worldwide, across all continents, races, religions, cultures and politicial stances are all being contolled by their governments?

Or even look at Ireland. Take RTE, Virgin, TG4, Today FM, The Journal, The Times, The Indo, the Examiner, The Star, Newstalk, Sunday Business Post, The Sun and The Herald. Tens of thousands of people all in. I know a good few and have worked in a couple of those places.

Every one of those people are "controlled" by the Irish government are they? And not one person has spoken out against the grand nefarious plan? Not one person with guilty conscience, one disgruntled employee (of which there are thousands in that industry) not one person who was fired in the last 18 months and was angry, not one person whos family has been effected by the last 18 months, not one leak of one of these evil meetings. Not one?

But you believe this?

I can give the lazy weasel conspiracy answer to this: "Not all, but most".

It's important to be vague so you can't be pinned down to anything. Jesus I could create an alt account here and endlessly tie rational people up in knots with obtuse nonsense without breaking a single rule.

The Nal

buzzerxx wrote: »

Correct, most of that is what government controlled msm is doing.

So just to understand this, you believe that the "MSM", consisting of millions and millions of people worldwide, across all continents, races, religions, cultures and politicial stances are all being contolled by their governments?

Or even look at Ireland. Take RTE, Virgin, TG4, Today FM, The Journal, The Times, The Indo, the Examiner, The Star, Newstalk, Sunday Business Post, The Sun and The Herald. Tens of thousands of people all in. I know a good few and have worked in a couple of those places.

Every one of those people are "controlled" by the Irish government are they? And not one person has spoken out against the grand nefarious plan? Not one person with guilty conscience, one disgruntled employee (of which there are thousands in that industry) not one person who was fired in the last 18 months and was angry, not one person whos family has been effected by the last 18 months, not one leak of one of these evil meetings. Not one?

But you believe this?

Dohnjoe

buzzerxx wrote: »

I got a warning for link dumping? I hope you got one for this.

It's a comparison, with a comment and context. You are using the same techniques that guy uses.

You have repeatedly hinted there is some conspiracy afoot regarding Covid, yet when asked you dodge, ignore, evade and go off on conspiracy tangents. It's very simple, is there a conspiracy? if so, what is it?

buzzerxx

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You won't answer any questions and keep jumping to something else. Reminds me of someone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch9gQ9JOe3Y

I got a warning for link dumping? I hope you got one for this.

Dohnjoe

buzzerxx wrote: »

Correct, most of that is what government controlled msm is doing.

You're parroting conspiracy tropes. "The news is all controlled" is a common example of this. People try to spread absurd conspiracies but are contradicted by the facts, so they attack the sources of those facts (journalism, science, etc), by, you guessed it, accusing them of being a part of a conspiracy

They back up their conspiracies with other made-up conspiracies, aka using lies to cover their original lie.

[Deleted User]

buzzerxx wrote: »

Correct, most of that is what government controlled msm is doing.

Ok.
But you ignored my question.

You can't explain how you determine fact from fiction.

You obviously just swallow whatever crap you find on facebook that suits your beliefs, then do nothing to actually see if it's true.

buzzerxx

Dohnjoe wrote: »

This quote has been explained so many times on this forum I've lost count

In order to get people to swallow complete bull**** you first convince them that everything around them is a lie; facts, history, science, etc. If they'll accept that, then they'll accept anything.

Correct, most of that is what government controlled msm is doing.

[Deleted User]

Dohnjoe wrote: »

In order to get people to swallow complete bull**** you first convince them that everything around them is a lie; facts, history, science, etc. If they'll accept that, then they'll accept anything.

Yet, isn't it weird that the conspiracy theorists keep talking about things being Orwellian?
Almost like they haven't actually read 1984.

Dohnjoe

PintOfView wrote: »

I could have looked at that and said "omg, look at what someone predicted in 2011, it must all be true"

However, instead I checked it out, and here is what I found
- The "Soverign Independent" was a conspiracy newspaper, based in Co. Roscommon,
that has long since folded (pun not intended!)
- They misunderstood Gates, and misrepresented him in their article
- In that same edition they promised to "expose the explosive evidence" of the 9/11 conspiracy

Here is a quote from a Reuters fact check on this
Meanwhile, the quote from Bill Gates alongside the headline about depopulating the earth
is one that has been repeatedly taken out of context. Gates made the comment during a TED talk in 2010
about reducing the world’s carbon emissions to zero and was not suggesting the global population
should be killed off using vaccines. In fact, his stance is the opposite.

Gates has long been a proponent of population control to target the roots of poverty and unrest,
and told Forbes magazine in 2011 that when he first entered public health, it was to focus on
contraception. When he later saw data suggesting that when mortality rates fall, so, too, do birth rates,
Gates shifted his focus from preventing births to saving people already alive. He told Forbes:
“We moved pretty heavily into vaccines once we understood that.”
see URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-newspaper-idUSKBN27X2VR"]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-newspaper-idUSKBN27X2VR[/URL

Do you actually believe stuff you read on these web sites, and on facebook, without checking?
If you do, then it is any surprise that you believe things that are just false?

This quote has been explained so many times on this forum I've lost count

In order to get people to swallow complete bull**** you first convince them that everything around them is a lie; facts, history, science, etc. If they'll accept that, then they'll accept anything.

seamus

buzzerxx wrote: »

Whats your thoughts on this....
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10159209767583972&set=a.96933973971

The newspaper shown is one that was dedicated to conspiracy theories. Anti-vax conspiracy theories are nothing new, and Bill Gates has been involved in vaccination programmes for 20 years.

So what relevance is the front page of a loony newspaper with a nonsense headline?

You might as well post this as proof that aliens exist;
https://d33byq9npfy6u9.cloudfront.net/4/u/original/24810998/toc_resized_99261-hillaryalien_39-21573_t800.jpg

PintOfView

buzzerxx wrote: »

That's your point of view, (pun intended) and you're entitled to it.
Whats your thoughts on this....
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10159209767583972&set=a.96933973971

I could have looked at that and said "omg, look at what someone predicted in 2011, it must all be true"

However, instead I checked it out, and here is what I found
- The "Soverign Independent" was a conspiracy newspaper, based in Co. Roscommon,
that has long since folded (pun not intended!)
- They misunderstood Gates, and misrepresented him in their article
- In that same edition they promised to "expose the explosive evidence" of the 9/11 conspiracy

Here is a quote from a Reuters fact check on this
Meanwhile, the quote from Bill Gates alongside the headline about depopulating the earth
is one that has been repeatedly taken out of context. Gates made the comment during a TED talk in 2010
about reducing the world’s carbon emissions to zero and was not suggesting the global population
should be killed off using vaccines. In fact, his stance is the opposite.

Gates has long been a proponent of population control to target the roots of poverty and unrest,
and told Forbes magazine in 2011 that when he first entered public health, it was to focus on
contraception. When he later saw data suggesting that when mortality rates fall, so, too, do birth rates,
Gates shifted his focus from preventing births to saving people already alive. He told Forbes:
“We moved pretty heavily into vaccines once we understood that.”
see URL="https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-newspaper-idUSKBN27X2VR"]https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-newspaper-idUSKBN27X2VR[/URL

Do you actually believe stuff you read on these web sites, and on facebook, without checking?
If you do, then it is any surprise that you believe things that are just false?

aido79

buzzerxx wrote: »

No, of course not but i believe more on there than on the bought msm propaganda machine. The people have become the media and we cannot be bought back.

I really worry about the direction the world is heading in when I see that someone would believe a crank on Facebook who is either looking for five minutes of fame or trying to make a quick buck out of people like yourself over someone who has qualifications in journalism and who because of journalistic integrity must have the facts before writing a story.
But then I realise that people like yourself are very much in the minority and are almost always proven wrong since conspiracy theories became a thing centuries ago.

[Deleted User]

buzzerxx wrote: »

No, of course not but i believe more on there than on the bought msm propaganda machine. The people have become the media and we cannot be bought back.

OK.
So how do you know the Facebook link you're dumping and don't want to talk about is accurate?

What did you do to verify that the information was actual true and accurately represented?

Please talk us through the process you used to do this?

Or did you just read it and believe it without question?

Also could you maybe take a Crack at the questio central to the thread that other conspiracy theorists seem so afraid of?
Why will masks be permanent? How does it benefit people behind the conspiracy?

buzzerxx

King Mob wrote: »

So you then immediately believe everything you read on Facebook without question?

No, of course not but i believe more on there than on the bought msm propaganda machine. The people have become the media and we cannot be bought back.

Dohnjoe

buzzerxx wrote: »

Thank god for the internet,Facebook, whatsapp, twitter etc. imagine a world that relied on government controlled propaganda spewing msm for information.
Gates is an Evil, Psychopathic Megalomaniac.

You won't answer any questions and keep jumping to something else. Reminds me of someone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch9gQ9JOe3Y

[Deleted User]

buzzerxx wrote: »

Thank god for the internet,Facebook, whatsapp, twitter etc. imagine a world that relied on government controlled propaganda spewing msm for information.
Gates is an Evil, Psychopathic Megalomaniac.

So you then immediately believe everything you read on Facebook without question?

robinph

So which of the vaccines is it that Bill Gates developed and put the 5G chips in then. The one developed by the Turkish couple in Germany, the one by Oxford University, the Russian one, the Chinese one or is it one of the others?

buzzerxx

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Oh look, another Facebook post :rolleyes:

Are we back to Bill Gates being the bad guy again?

Thank god for the internet,Facebook, whatsapp, twitter etc. imagine a world that relied on government controlled propaganda spewing msm for information.
Gates is an Evil, Psychopathic Megalomaniac.

Timberrrrrrrr

buzzerxx wrote: »

That's your point of view, (pun intended) and you're entitled to it.
Whats your thoughts on this....
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10159209767583972&set=a.96933973971

Oh look, another Facebook post :rolleyes:

Are we back to Bill Gates being the bad guy again?

runawaybishop

buzzerxx wrote: »

That's your point of view, (pun intended) and you're entitled to it.
Whats your thoughts on this....
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10159209767583972&set=a.96933973971

What are your thoughts on it?

buzzerxx

PintOfView wrote: »

Imagine for a minute that the virus is real, and there's a real pandemic in progress,
how would you even know, if your mind is so closed to reality, and looking for conspiracies everywhere?
(Google pandemics and see how many there have been in the past!)

And yes, governments are not perfect, and there have been plenty of examples of
corrupt and dishonest politicians in government, both in Ireland and elsewhere, however
to extrapolate that to thinking the whole world is being hoodwinked is complete fantasy.

That's your point of view, (pun intended) and you're entitled to it.
Whats your thoughts on this....
https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=10159209767583972&set=a.96933973971

PintOfView

buzzerxx wrote: »

THE REAL CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENTS CARE ABOUT THEM, THE MEDIA WOULD NEVER MISLEAD OR LIE TO THEM AND THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY THAT MAKES BILLIONS OFF SICKNESS WANTS TO CURE THEM.

Imagine for a minute that the virus is real, and there's a real pandemic in progress,
how would you even know, if your mind is so closed to reality, and looking for conspiracies everywhere?
(Google pandemics and see how many there have been in the past!)

And yes, governments are not perfect, and there have been plenty of examples of
corrupt and dishonest politicians in government, both in Ireland and elsewhere, however
to extrapolate that to thinking the whole world is being hoodwinked is complete fantasy.

The Nal

I think some people need their safe space in the echo chamber of the comments on Facebook. Dump and run. Proper conversations make some people afraid.

aido79

buzzerxx wrote: »

One of the weirdest beliefs is that secretive government agencies who did evil things in the past just don't do evil things anymore. This belief is based on literally nothing. It's believed because it's comfortable.

the truth is, you shouldn't even need to research
at this point. common sense should reveal the absolute absurdity of what is happening in the world right now.

The truth is this is the starting point for your research so it is easier for you to go down rabbit holes than someone who is less inclined to look for the conspiracy theory angle in everything.

Do you actually believe there is a secret government agency in Ireland that has the intention of making covid restriction measures permanent?