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Anyone know what channel it's on? The jim sheridan documentary about sophie toscan du plantier

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listermint

Other than the two french friends of Sophie whom say they had phone conversations describing a poet. Years after the fact when all of the evidence at hand is known. Has anyone in the locality actually made any connections to the pair. From what we've seen so far no. None. And he does appear to be the type to have been ever present if he saw her in a pub and was interested or anywhere for that matter.

Surely without that connection the whole thing falls at the first hurdle. To killing was brutal and personal and rage. There's a strong connection having come out in the nature of her demise.

If it's proven that he did in fact know her and met her multiple times then that nearly guarantees the guilt with the rest of the more tenuous stuff included.

Shelga

I started watching the second Netflix episode… I actually can’t watch any more of Ian going around in his fur trapper hat, talking about the same things I’ve heard over and over now, I’m going to bed!

No doubt I’ll gobble up the rest tomorrow, ASAP :pac:

Yurt2

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Who should play Bailey ???

Ian Bailey: The Musical

mioniqa

Yurt! wrote: »

I think his point was the community went a bit like the Arthur Miller play The Crucible, and people started going to the Gardai with old grudges, tittle tattle and shaggy dog stories such was the level of paranoia.

I can only think of the rural area I grew up in, if something like this happened there, the place would melt down with all the recriminations flying from old axes to grind, and like everywhere, there's more than enough local oddities to go around to point the finger at.

Bailey in my view became a canvass for everyone's fears and I'd be sure enough some of the stuff reported about him are tall tales and Chinese whispers. Sifting through the b*ll**** is one of the challenges of this case.

Even 25 years later, half baked rumours and uncorroborated stories about him are still being churned up and beamed worldwide on the world's biggest video platform. You can see the challenge for the guy to keep his sanity and salvage his name.

I completely agree and the DPP report mentions the local frenzy.

The story about Billy Fuller at the bridge is a case in point. I wouldn’t trust him as far as I could throw him.

TomCor1

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is really quite stunning that there was so little evidence of the perpetrator left at the scene. Especially as the weather was fine and nothing was washed away. Clothing fabric on the brambles, a mass of footprints especially when struggling and carrying the rock, dna on the body. Nothing.

Add this to the story about her seeing the 'White Lady' and being very frightened by it, and then the death poem left open on the table, the weird mention of the dogs in t DPP report, and it's more like a Stephen King story than real life.

The fact that the poetry book on the table was left open on the poem 'A Dream of Death' is quite bizarre.

Probably mentioned here before but Yeats wrote this poem at the time the woman he loved, Maud Gonne, was traveling to France. Yeats believed she would die on this trip.

EltonJohn69

Padre_Pio wrote: »

Three TV shows now?

Jesus wept.

Who should play Bailey ???

mioniqa

Addle wrote: »

I thought he was alluding to it being Bailey.

I didn’t get that from it actually, more like someone else at the time who he had suspicions about?

Padre_Pio

notahappycamper wrote: »

I believe the podcast is being made into a tv show by the same production team that did “Chernobyl”.

Three TV shows now?

Jesus wept.

mioniqa

irishgeo wrote: »

They didn't lose them, the pages were ripped out.

I would say I’m shocked but I’m beyond being shocked it this.

notahappycamper

I believe the podcast is being made into a tv show by the same production team that did “Chernobyl”.

Marcusm

unplayable wrote: »

Ep 3 of the Netflix show is an absolute hatchet job on Bailey my god. Crazy stuff.

I see where you are coming from. The MArie FArrell stuff is dispensed with quite easily. I am surprised that the Garda behaviour shown up from the tapes, the bribe with weed etc, didn't feature, and the missing evidence etc. The Keystone Kops element is entirely absent and the gardai come out of it much better than they likely deserve.

The Reed woman (mother of Malachi, the 14 y/io to whom Bailey "confessed") plays a more significant part than I would have thought. I am shocked that her hearsay concerning what her son said to her was ever admitted as evidence. She, probably rightly, detests Bailey and I suspect this informs her activity.

The most unusual thing about it is that Bailey comes across as less unhinged than he did in the (more sympathetic) Jim Sheridan documentary.

Overall, I think the Netflix one has added very little other than the personal testimony of a larger number of her family members. I think that helps to make Sophie into a real character but toomuch of it is focused on their view of Bailey which is not informative.

odyssey06

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We have a glaring lack of trustworthy information on this thread.
Can we trust the media, reporters hated Bailey and were subsequently sued by him.
Can we trust the Gaurds? Seems not.
The Sheridan documentary? The Netflix documentary?
The DPP report is probably the most reliable source of info.

I know.
I posted link earlier about male DNA found on Sophie's boot.
Ian Bailey reported in Irish media that a French expert brought in by AGS had extracted it.
I dunno if its legit... if what was extracted was usable to identify a person rather than gender or whether it was run through Irish or Interpol databases.

Just more questions...

[Deleted User]

We have a glaring lack of trustworthy information on this thread.
Can we trust the media, reporters hated Bailey and were subsequently sued by him.
Can we trust the Gaurds? Seems not.
The Sheridan documentary? The Netflix documentary?
The DPP report is probably the most reliable source of info.

Ultimate Gowlbag

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I have only watched the Netflix series is worth watching murder at the cottage or is it basically the same doc ?

Also have no idea if Bailey did it ! All circumstantial… if the things I said drunk were taken seriously I would face a long time in the slammer.

Go for the podcast,it's better than all else

EltonJohn69

I have only watched the Netflix series is worth watching murder at the cottage or is it basically the same doc ?

Also have no idea if Bailey did it ! All circumstantial… if the things I said drunk were taken seriously I would face a long time in the slammer.

Mackinac

Garlinge wrote: »

There was talk of her having a bed on a raised platform so she could view the Fastnet lighthouse but there was a photo of an unmade double bed that was not raised up. In one of the TV accounts there was a photo of the raised bed that seemed to be a single on and it was unslept in. I cant remember if that photo was taken at time of murder.

What was the poem that was opened in book on the table?

I think the room with a double bed was used as it was warmer in Winter.

irishgeo

mioniqa wrote: »

Yeah I’d like to know that too. I definitely read the word ‘feud’ which to me is a serious matter. A previous poster linked to an article in the Observer.

I can’t believe the Gardai lost the files of other suspects. The incompetence is staggering. I’d love to know who they are.

And also who was the guy in the Netflix doc talking about when said he spoke to the gards about someone he had suspicions about. So many questions.

They didn't lose them, the pages were ripped out.

Addle

mioniqa wrote: »

And also who was the guy in the Netflix doc talking about when said he spoke to the gards about someone he had suspicions about. So many questions.

I thought he was alluding to it being Bailey.

[Deleted User]

Yurt! wrote: »

I think his point was the community went a bit like the Arthur Miller play The Crucible, and people started going to the Gardai with old grudges, tittle tattle and shaggy dog stories such was the level of paranoia.

I can only think of the rural area I grew up in, if something like this happened there, the place would melt down with all the recriminations flying from old axes to grind, and like everywhere, there's more than enough local oddities to go around to point the finger at.

Bailey in my view became a canvass for everyone's fears and I'd be sure enough some of the stuff reported about him are tall tales and Chinese whispers. Sifting through the b*ll**** is one of the challenges of this case.

Even 25 years later, half baked rumours and uncorroborated stories about him are still being churned up and beamed worldwide on the world's biggest video platform. You can see the challenge for the guy to keep his sanity and salvage his name.

What amazes me is how they all seem to get on on one level with their talk of the community. Bailey has said people didn't like him but he still socialised with them and I think a publican said he would prefer if Bailey didn't go in his pub. But still Bailey would drink in pubs, spend money in places he wasn't liked.

Yurt2

mioniqa wrote: »

And also who was the guy in the Netflix doc talking about when said he spoke to the gards about someone he had suspicions about. So many questions.

I think his point was the community went a bit like the Arthur Miller play The Crucible, and people started going to the Gardai with old grudges, tittle tattle and shaggy dog stories such was the level of paranoia.

I can only think of the rural area I grew up in, if something like this happened there, the place would melt down with all the recriminations flying from old axes to grind, and like everywhere, there's more than enough local oddities to go around to point the finger at.

Bailey in my view became a canvass for everyone's fears and I'd be sure enough some of the stuff reported about him are tall tales and Chinese whispers. Sifting through the b*ll**** is one of the challenges of this case.

Even 25 years later, half baked rumours and uncorroborated stories about him are still being churned up and beamed worldwide on the world's biggest video platform. You can see the challenge for the guy to keep his sanity and salvage his name.

mioniqa

el Fenomeno wrote: »

How much of a "dispute" was there with the neighbours?

A few have mentioned this - but how serious was it? Is it documented anywhere whether it was more of a few passing comments about the gate, or a full on argument/feud?

Yeah I’d like to know that too. I definitely read the word ‘feud’ which to me is a serious matter. A previous poster linked to an article in the Observer.

I can’t believe the Gardai lost the files of other suspects. The incompetence is staggering. I’d love to know who they are.

And also who was the guy in the Netflix doc talking about when said he spoke to the gards about someone he had suspicions about. So many questions.

Gussie Scrotch

el Fenomeno wrote: »

How much of a "dispute" was there with the neighbours?

A few have mentioned this - but how serious was it? Is it documented anywhere whether it was more of a few passing comments about the gate, or a full on argument/feud?

The evidence on this, as far as I know, is purely anecdotal but I haven't seen it challenged. My understanding of it was that Sophie felt that the gate should be kept closed but Alfie didn't want the hassle of opening and closing it every time he passed through.

el Fenomeno

How much of a "dispute" was there with the neighbours?

A few have mentioned this - but how serious was it? Is it documented anywhere whether it was more of a few passing comments about the gate, or a full on argument/feud?

[Deleted User]

Garlinge wrote: »

There was talk of her having a bed on a raised platform so she could view the Fastnet lighthouse but there was a photo of an unmade double bed that was not raised up. In one of the TV accounts there was a photo of the raised bed that seemed to be a single on and it was unslept in. I cant remember if that photo was taken at time of murder.

What was the poem that was opened in book on the table?

A Dream of Death

Yurt2

Mick Clifford on the latest Eamon Dunphy podcast talking about the saga.

https://m.soundcloud.com/thestandwitheamondunphy/the-stand-mick-clifford-3062021#t=31:24

He's been of the view for a long time that it's been a Kafkaesque process Bailey had been subjected to.

Garlinge

There was talk of her having a bed on a raised platform so she could view the Fastnet lighthouse but there was a photo of an unmade double bed that was not raised up. In one of the TV accounts there was a photo of the raised bed that seemed to be a single on and it was unslept in. I cant remember if that photo was taken at time of murder.

What was the poem that was opened in book on the table?

unplayable

Ep 3 of the Netflix show is an absolute hatchet job on Bailey my god. Crazy stuff.

odyssey06

Yurt! wrote: »

There must be an awful sinkhole in the evidence room in Bandon Garda Station. Gates, suspect files, investigation logs, wine bottles. They really aught to see to that.

You can be sure none of those would have been lost if it suited their narrative re Ian Bailey.
And by lost I mean disappeared.
Corrupt as ****.

Yurt2

SoulWriter wrote: »

The gardai lost the wine found in the ditch too. I didn't know that. Pathetic

There must be an awful sinkhole in the evidence room in Bandon Garda Station. Gates, suspect files, investigation logs, wine bottles. They really aught to see to that.

Treppen

SoulWriter wrote: »

The gardai lost the wine found in the ditch too. I didn't know that. Pathetic

Given the nature of the village... They probably consumed it at some pagan ceremony.