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Anyone know what channel it's on? The jim sheridan documentary about sophie toscan du plantier

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orangerhyme

Gussie Scrotch wrote: »

I've been thinking about this. The bread on the table, the breakfast material in her stomach and the fact that there was no light on in the house upon the arrival of the Gardai.

It all points to the time of the attack being in the morning rather than late at night. the absence of a burning light, in particualr, suggests that it was daylight when Sophie left the house.....so around 9am say

If we assume that this was, indeed the case, then the "sighting" at Kealfadda bridge is irrelevant and IB can be ruled out, because he brought Jules coffee at 9am.

Good point about the bread being out. She kept a tidy house so looks out of place.
It's possible she was still up and hadn't gone to bed yet. Her last contact was an 11pm phone call with her husband.

I wonder about other details such as was her bed made. Was this mentioned anywhere?

She was found in night attire so the assumption she got out of bed to answer the door but maybe it was morning and she was already up.

I find the whole case frustrating. The lack of any DNA especially. Can they send evidence off to a lab in the states for further analysis?

The gate at the bottom of the passage was closed, so anyone who called to her would've touched it surely but the gate goes missing!

crooked cockney villain

I'm two episodes in about a case I remember happening but never really followed.

Compulsive viewing. I have little doubt that the Netflix one is probably a pale shadow of it. TV productions are always simply better.

Only thing- if I weren't Irish I'd struggle with the odd bit. The opener where the statement she says she would ring the guards- if I were foreign I'd be assuming the area or house had a private security guard presence.

The term blow in wasn't explained very well for foreign folk either I thought.

All up though, addictive viewing.

Gussie Scrotch

orangerhyme wrote: »

Good point about the bread being out. She kept a tidy house so looks out of place.
It's possible she was still up and hadn't gone to bed yet. Her last contact was an 11pm phone call with her husband.

I wonder about other details such as was her bed made. Was this mentioned anywhere?

She was found in night attire so the assumption she got out of bed to answer the door but maybe it was morning and she was already up.

I find the whole case frustrating. The lack of any DNA especially. Can they send evidence off to a lab in the states for further analysis?

The gate at the bottom of the passage was closed, so anyone who called to her would've touched it surely but the gate goes missing!

It was reported that the bed had been slept in.

[Deleted User]

Deleted User wrote: »

Thanks, but I'm not sure a Reddit post counts as a validating source for info.

it's in other places too and the reddit post is copied and pasted from one. But they may not be validating enough so i won't post or quote them

[Deleted User]

Mackinac wrote: »

In The Times (London) and The Independent it is referenced as being unopened.

Thanks. I see it now.
"It was interesting that, months after the murder, a bottle of wine was found in bushes near a laneway close to Ms Du Plantier house."

An interesting quote from that Independent article: 'One source close to the investigation recalled that, at the time, alcohol was often stolen from the drinks cabinets of empty holiday homes.'

[Deleted User]

The gardai lost the wine found in the ditch too. I didn't know that. Pathetic

Mackinac

Deleted User wrote: »

Thanks. I see it now.
"It was interesting that, months after the murder, a bottle of wine was found in bushes near a laneway close to Ms Du Plantier house."

An interesting quote from that Independent article: 'One source close to the investigation recalled that, at the time, alcohol was often stolen from the drinks cabinets of empty holiday homes.'

Yes I found that interesting too it was discussed earlier in the thread.

Treppen

FrankN1 wrote: »

Well he knew where she lived and commented to his wife that there may be a party on next door at the neighbours on the night. It's a hard place to get to by all accounts so this is an important point.

I'm pretty sure the witnesses said they were definitely not consistent with an injury from cutting a tree and a turkey. Did they even test his nails for DNA?

Admitting it is actually evidence. Not many people go around saying these things. It's not admissable but definitely important that it happened many times and not just a once off.

Most suspects did have an alibi actually so again this is vital. His own wife said he got up. And he was spotted near the scene until that statement was retracted.

The lack of other suspects obviously points to him. If there were other sightings of different people or any evidence of other locals going to the home, it would bring his guilt into further doubt.

Knowing about a murder in a very rural place hours before it has spread to the community is actually crucial for obvious reasons.

The gardai didn't collect anything really and messed up the crime scene. I'm not saying he's 100pc guilty, I'm saying it's the most likely scenario based on the current evidence which is circumstantial.

I find it surprising that Bailey is the only suspect, what happened the other suspects (the 5 who's files went missing).
Pity we can't pick apart .... or piece together ....their stories.

Is it the case that when you have a chief suspect you consign everyone else to the bin?

listermint

Personally I think the family or ex husband could have invested money looking into the ex. For me based on the podcast and Netflix there simply wasnt enough effort to look into what would be a prime suspect due the exact nature of the death, location and how that relationship turned out when it ended.

He would be suspect number one had he been living in this country .

Treppen

SoulWriter wrote: »

The gardai lost the wine found in the ditch too. I didn't know that. Pathetic

Given the nature of the village... They probably consumed it at some pagan ceremony.

Yurt2

SoulWriter wrote: »

The gardai lost the wine found in the ditch too. I didn't know that. Pathetic

There must be an awful sinkhole in the evidence room in Bandon Garda Station. Gates, suspect files, investigation logs, wine bottles. They really aught to see to that.

odyssey06

Yurt! wrote: »

There must be an awful sinkhole in the evidence room in Bandon Garda Station. Gates, suspect files, investigation logs, wine bottles. They really aught to see to that.

You can be sure none of those would have been lost if it suited their narrative re Ian Bailey.
And by lost I mean disappeared.
Corrupt as ****.

unplayable

Ep 3 of the Netflix show is an absolute hatchet job on Bailey my god. Crazy stuff.

Garlinge

There was talk of her having a bed on a raised platform so she could view the Fastnet lighthouse but there was a photo of an unmade double bed that was not raised up. In one of the TV accounts there was a photo of the raised bed that seemed to be a single on and it was unslept in. I cant remember if that photo was taken at time of murder.

What was the poem that was opened in book on the table?

Yurt2

Mick Clifford on the latest Eamon Dunphy podcast talking about the saga.

https://m.soundcloud.com/thestandwitheamondunphy/the-stand-mick-clifford-3062021#t=31:24

He's been of the view for a long time that it's been a Kafkaesque process Bailey had been subjected to.

[Deleted User]

Garlinge wrote: »

There was talk of her having a bed on a raised platform so she could view the Fastnet lighthouse but there was a photo of an unmade double bed that was not raised up. In one of the TV accounts there was a photo of the raised bed that seemed to be a single on and it was unslept in. I cant remember if that photo was taken at time of murder.

What was the poem that was opened in book on the table?

A Dream of Death

el Fenomeno

How much of a "dispute" was there with the neighbours?

A few have mentioned this - but how serious was it? Is it documented anywhere whether it was more of a few passing comments about the gate, or a full on argument/feud?

Gussie Scrotch

el Fenomeno wrote: »

How much of a "dispute" was there with the neighbours?

A few have mentioned this - but how serious was it? Is it documented anywhere whether it was more of a few passing comments about the gate, or a full on argument/feud?

The evidence on this, as far as I know, is purely anecdotal but I haven't seen it challenged. My understanding of it was that Sophie felt that the gate should be kept closed but Alfie didn't want the hassle of opening and closing it every time he passed through.

mioniqa

el Fenomeno wrote: »

How much of a "dispute" was there with the neighbours?

A few have mentioned this - but how serious was it? Is it documented anywhere whether it was more of a few passing comments about the gate, or a full on argument/feud?

Yeah I’d like to know that too. I definitely read the word ‘feud’ which to me is a serious matter. A previous poster linked to an article in the Observer.

I can’t believe the Gardai lost the files of other suspects. The incompetence is staggering. I’d love to know who they are.

And also who was the guy in the Netflix doc talking about when said he spoke to the gards about someone he had suspicions about. So many questions.

Yurt2

mioniqa wrote: »

And also who was the guy in the Netflix doc talking about when said he spoke to the gards about someone he had suspicions about. So many questions.

I think his point was the community went a bit like the Arthur Miller play The Crucible, and people started going to the Gardai with old grudges, tittle tattle and shaggy dog stories such was the level of paranoia.

I can only think of the rural area I grew up in, if something like this happened there, the place would melt down with all the recriminations flying from old axes to grind, and like everywhere, there's more than enough local oddities to go around to point the finger at.

Bailey in my view became a canvass for everyone's fears and I'd be sure enough some of the stuff reported about him are tall tales and Chinese whispers. Sifting through the b*ll**** is one of the challenges of this case.

Even 25 years later, half baked rumours and uncorroborated stories about him are still being churned up and beamed worldwide on the world's biggest video platform. You can see the challenge for the guy to keep his sanity and salvage his name.

[Deleted User]

Yurt! wrote: »

I think his point was the community went a bit like the Arthur Miller play The Crucible, and people started going to the Gardai with old grudges, tittle tattle and shaggy dog stories such was the level of paranoia.

I can only think of the rural area I grew up in, if something like this happened there, the place would melt down with all the recriminations flying from old axes to grind, and like everywhere, there's more than enough local oddities to go around to point the finger at.

Bailey in my view became a canvass for everyone's fears and I'd be sure enough some of the stuff reported about him are tall tales and Chinese whispers. Sifting through the b*ll**** is one of the challenges of this case.

Even 25 years later, half baked rumours and uncorroborated stories about him are still being churned up and beamed worldwide on the world's biggest video platform. You can see the challenge for the guy to keep his sanity and salvage his name.

What amazes me is how they all seem to get on on one level with their talk of the community. Bailey has said people didn't like him but he still socialised with them and I think a publican said he would prefer if Bailey didn't go in his pub. But still Bailey would drink in pubs, spend money in places he wasn't liked.

Addle

mioniqa wrote: »

And also who was the guy in the Netflix doc talking about when said he spoke to the gards about someone he had suspicions about. So many questions.

I thought he was alluding to it being Bailey.

irishgeo

mioniqa wrote: »

Yeah I’d like to know that too. I definitely read the word ‘feud’ which to me is a serious matter. A previous poster linked to an article in the Observer.

I can’t believe the Gardai lost the files of other suspects. The incompetence is staggering. I’d love to know who they are.

And also who was the guy in the Netflix doc talking about when said he spoke to the gards about someone he had suspicions about. So many questions.

They didn't lose them, the pages were ripped out.

Mackinac

Garlinge wrote: »

There was talk of her having a bed on a raised platform so she could view the Fastnet lighthouse but there was a photo of an unmade double bed that was not raised up. In one of the TV accounts there was a photo of the raised bed that seemed to be a single on and it was unslept in. I cant remember if that photo was taken at time of murder.

What was the poem that was opened in book on the table?

I think the room with a double bed was used as it was warmer in Winter.

EltonJohn69

I have only watched the Netflix series is worth watching murder at the cottage or is it basically the same doc ?

Also have no idea if Bailey did it ! All circumstantial… if the things I said drunk were taken seriously I would face a long time in the slammer.

Ultimate Gowlbag

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I have only watched the Netflix series is worth watching murder at the cottage or is it basically the same doc ?

Also have no idea if Bailey did it ! All circumstantial… if the things I said drunk were taken seriously I would face a long time in the slammer.

Go for the podcast,it's better than all else

[Deleted User]

We have a glaring lack of trustworthy information on this thread.
Can we trust the media, reporters hated Bailey and were subsequently sued by him.
Can we trust the Gaurds? Seems not.
The Sheridan documentary? The Netflix documentary?
The DPP report is probably the most reliable source of info.

odyssey06

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We have a glaring lack of trustworthy information on this thread.
Can we trust the media, reporters hated Bailey and were subsequently sued by him.
Can we trust the Gaurds? Seems not.
The Sheridan documentary? The Netflix documentary?
The DPP report is probably the most reliable source of info.

I know.
I posted link earlier about male DNA found on Sophie's boot.
Ian Bailey reported in Irish media that a French expert brought in by AGS had extracted it.
I dunno if its legit... if what was extracted was usable to identify a person rather than gender or whether it was run through Irish or Interpol databases.

Just more questions...

Marcusm

unplayable wrote: »

Ep 3 of the Netflix show is an absolute hatchet job on Bailey my god. Crazy stuff.

I see where you are coming from. The MArie FArrell stuff is dispensed with quite easily. I am surprised that the Garda behaviour shown up from the tapes, the bribe with weed etc, didn't feature, and the missing evidence etc. The Keystone Kops element is entirely absent and the gardai come out of it much better than they likely deserve.

The Reed woman (mother of Malachi, the 14 y/io to whom Bailey "confessed") plays a more significant part than I would have thought. I am shocked that her hearsay concerning what her son said to her was ever admitted as evidence. She, probably rightly, detests Bailey and I suspect this informs her activity.

The most unusual thing about it is that Bailey comes across as less unhinged than he did in the (more sympathetic) Jim Sheridan documentary.

Overall, I think the Netflix one has added very little other than the personal testimony of a larger number of her family members. I think that helps to make Sophie into a real character but toomuch of it is focused on their view of Bailey which is not informative.

notahappycamper

I believe the podcast is being made into a tv show by the same production team that did “Chernobyl”.