FrankN1 wrote: » Well he knew where she lived and commented to his wife that there may be a party on next door at the neighbours on the night. It's a hard place to get to by all accounts so this is an important point. I'm pretty sure the witnesses said they were definitely not consistent with an injury from cutting a tree and a turkey. Did they even test his nails for DNA? Admitting it is actually evidence. Not many people go around saying these things. It's not admissable but definitely important that it happened many times and not just a once off. Most suspects did have an alibi actually so again this is vital. His own wife said he got up. And he was spotted near the scene until that statement was retracted. The lack of other suspects obviously points to him. If there were other sightings of different people or any evidence of other locals going to the home, it would bring his guilt into further doubt. Knowing about a murder in a very rural place hours before it has spread to the community is actually crucial for obvious reasons. The gardai didn't collect anything really and messed up the crime scene. I'm not saying he's 100pc guilty, I'm saying it's the most likely scenario based on the current evidence which is circumstantial.
Deleted User wrote: » Thanks. I see it now. "It was interesting that, months after the murder, a bottle of wine was found in bushes near a laneway close to Ms Du Plantier house." An interesting quote from that Independent article: 'One source close to the investigation recalled that, at the time, alcohol was often stolen from the drinks cabinets of empty holiday homes.'
Mackinac wrote: » In The Times (London) and The Independent it is referenced as being unopened.
Deleted User wrote: » Thanks, but I'm not sure a Reddit post counts as a validating source for info.
orangerhyme wrote: » Good point about the bread being out. She kept a tidy house so looks out of place. It's possible she was still up and hadn't gone to bed yet. Her last contact was an 11pm phone call with her husband. I wonder about other details such as was her bed made. Was this mentioned anywhere? She was found in night attire so the assumption she got out of bed to answer the door but maybe it was morning and she was already up. I find the whole case frustrating. The lack of any DNA especially. Can they send evidence off to a lab in the states for further analysis? The gate at the bottom of the passage was closed, so anyone who called to her would've touched it surely but the gate goes missing!
Gussie Scrotch wrote: » I've been thinking about this. The bread on the table, the breakfast material in her stomach and the fact that there was no light on in the house upon the arrival of the Gardai. It all points to the time of the attack being in the morning rather than late at night. the absence of a burning light, in particualr, suggests that it was daylight when Sophie left the house.....so around 9am say If we assume that this was, indeed the case, then the "sighting" at Kealfadda bridge is irrelevant and IB can be ruled out, because he brought Jules coffee at 9am.
Gussie Scrotch wrote: » Can't agree with you on this Frank. I would say that the circumstantial evidence points much more towards Alfie Lyons. 1) He knew her .....without doubt 2) He was at the scene....without doubt 3) He had an ongoing dispute with her so , possible motive. 4 And nobody heard anything, despite a viscious attack occuring, with Sophie fighting back. Not even Alfie, 100 yards away............... Now I don't really think Alfie did it. But if you put your faith in circumstantial evidence, then there is more pointing at Alfie than there is at Bailey.
SoulWriter wrote: » https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderAtTheCottage/comments/o4pjr4/an_unopened_bottle_of_wine_was_found_in_bushes/
Deleted User wrote: » I'm trying to check out if this story of the unopened bottle of expensive French wine lying in a ditch near the body is actually true. All I've found so far is mention of: "....A French wine bottle found four months after the murder in a field next to the scene;".. No mention of it being full. Could easily have been dropped out of a car a long time before after one of Alfie's parties.
SoulWriter wrote: » What time was sun up, about 8.30 am? Is that too late for the blue fiesta?
SoulWriter wrote: » The bread would suggest Sophie was at breakfast when the incident began. Also she had stomach contents.. I cannot recall was bread one of the items
odyssey06 wrote: » It's not even enough to prosecute according to our DPP rather than a corrupt French kangaroo court bent on a miscarriage of justice. Did he know her? It's not really clear. He may have known her. He did know 'of her'. So did lots of people. This is not evidence. Scratches consistent with a brawl? They've been explained and corroborated by multiple witnesses as NOTHING whatsoever to do with a brawl. If he had scratches from carrying out the murder, why wasn't his DNA found under the victim's fingernails? So the evidence you are offering actually exonerates him. He did not ADMIT to multiple people that he did it, off hands angry sarcastic remarks are not an admittance or confessions. People who are aggressive to women should be prosecuted for that, it does not make them murderers. Again it's not evidence. He didn't have an alibi - nor did lots of people. Would you have an alibi for all your movements if someone died in your area? This is not evidence of anything. No other major suspects? That's not evidence against Ian Bailey, that's evidence against the competence of the investigation. There are murders with no suspects. It doesn't mean whichever one is suspected is guilty. Lots of people know about murders before the news is officially released to the public. It's evidence of nothing. There is no evidence putting Bailey at the crime scene, zero forensics. He's given DNA, blood and fingerprint samples. Yet nothing. The guy is innocent.
Treppen wrote: » Maybe why the killer went into the house, have a look around for witnesses, smell bread in oven and take it out... But if he was French he would have naturally covered it.
Polly701 wrote: » Regarding other suspects.. Wasn't there a German ex boyfriend of Sophies who was considered? I think he committed suicide the following year? Was he ruled out? Couldn't he have turned up (uninvited) that morning in a blue fiesta? Carrying a bottle of wine he bought on the trip over? Maybe Sophie saw him at the gate and put her boots on (thinking for God's sake I told him not to come, etc.) .. too annoyed to bother with coat... walked down angrily to the gate as she didn't want to see him at her home at Christmas. When he presents the bottle of wine she angrily flings it away? He is furious at his grand gesture of travelling to her being rejected and after making the trip all the way to Schull.. he flips?? To me this is more plausible than trying to make little bits of information add up to it being IB. Looking at the photos of her house taken that day the loaf of bread really stands out to me.. Surely you wouldn't go to bed and leave a loaf out uncovered?? This makes me think the murder may have happened in the morning. I don't think IB did it... And it's shameful that so many think guilty until proven innocent..
FrankN1 wrote: » He knew her, he had no alibi that time of night, he was known to be very aggressive against women, he had a bonfire a few days after, his jacket was soaked in water/bleach, he had scratches consistent with a brawl, no other major suspects, he knew about the murder 3 hours before the news broke, he admitted it to multiple people that he did it...there's probably more but that's off the top of my head. May not be enough to convict but he is more than likely guilty.
Yurt! wrote: » How about Ian Bailey howling at the moon while sitting in a rocking chair surrounded by 10 dancing lesbians? I like that one...https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bailey-would-howl-at-the-moon-and-had-sat-in-a-rocking-chair-on-beach-with-10-lesbians-dancing-around-him-30795318.html
FrankN1 wrote: » Is it worth watching the sky version after the Netflix one?
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