FrankN1 wrote: » He knew her,
he had no alibi that time of night,
he was known to be very aggressive against women
he had a bonfire a few days after
his jacket was soaked in water/bleach
he had scratches consistent with a brawl
no other major suspects
he knew about the murder 3 hours before the news broke
he admitted it to multiple people that he did it
FrankN1 wrote: » He knew her, he had no alibi that time of night, he was known to be very aggressive against women, he had a bonfire a few days after, his jacket was soaked in water/bleach, he had scratches consistent with a brawl, no other major suspects, he knew about the murder 3 hours before the news broke, he admitted it to multiple people that he did it...there's probably more but that's off the top of my head. May not be enough to convict but he is more than likely guilty.
dark crystal wrote: » How so? No motive, no DNA evidence, no witnesses. What's probable about his guilt exactly?
monkeybutter wrote: » what are you trying to say with the link? it doesn't have many details
odyssey06 wrote: » Ok <does more googling> didn't realise the washing glasses thing was rubbish, ignore that. But what did happen the coat and gate? At what point did the gate go missing? And later, the wine bottle?https://www.thejournal.ie/grave-concern-over-missing-evidence-in-du-plantier-murder-investigation-4161933-Aug2018/
Addle wrote: » You think it’s any better now?https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-released-without-charge-in-deacey-investigation-1.3513521?mode=amp
am_zarathustra wrote: » Ah the guards did a terrible job. Watching the TG4 documentary Maru inar Measc on Phylis Murphy (more than a decade previous) or any of the other 3 cases will shine a light on the standard of murder investigations in the country, this was way off what should and was expected at the time. The level of detail and the forensics kept despite not knowing there would even be the advent of PCR would make you proud of the force. Its astonishing to think that this case was run by the same group. I know some guards of that generation down that way, they were cowboys sent there or to the north west because they could do less harm. They wouldn't be terribly law abiding themselves and would have a fairly strong sense of being above reproach. And job books are carefully monitored, they are very often required in court cases and will almost always be looked at. Missing pages and books is again a red flag that this was badly run from the start. Seems like the lads didn't like the boys from Phoenix Park telling them what to do and weren't used to being held to account for their actions. The super deciding he knew better than the state pathologist or the forensics is a glaring example.
monkeybutter wrote: » its not entirely clear what they didn't preserve exactly? can you shed light on it i mean you heard all sorts of rubbish after as to what they did, washing glasses etc, but its all rubbish Leaving bailey walk all over the place, but did this happen? do people really believe they kept the coat and gate out the back in schull garda station?
odyssey06 wrote: » When it comes to preserving the scene, I have to disagree. I don't really buy the lack of training as a catch all answer when it comes to the basic screw-ups that they made. If it wasn't corruption, it was incompetence, lack of basic common sense and then ignoring instructions from the State Pathologist. It was conducted so poorly almost suspiciously so. If you'd seen any crime film, TV show, book, read up on a murder court case first thing shouted on discovering the body is ... 'preserve the scene'. It was 1996 not 1956.
monkeybutter wrote: » i truly believe the gardai didn't do that bad a job and were overall pretty professional within the context of the resources available at the time, in terms of the forensics and pathology etc
Weddings ahoy wrote: » If MF was in the car that night and the mysterious man was with her, why has her husband never come forward with the name of the man , she has admitted to telling Chris everything eventually so what are we to believe she didn't tell him which ex lover she was with ??? If it were my spouse he wouldn't just let me away with saying i was driving with a man that night you don't know him so don't ask anymore! Therefore if it is true and i highly doubt it is why has no one spoken to her husband, why has no one pressured him into revealing the mystery man, and do her family know, parents siblings, none of mine would let me keep a secret in a huge murder mystery like that, they would disown me .
SoulWriter wrote: » where are the killer's footprints? I think the blood on the door was sophie trying to get back in
fin12 wrote: » i am convinced he did it aswell . He got out of bed that night to go to Sophie neighbours house , went up to Sophie’s instead and she rejected him and he went bizerk. Disgusting evil bastard . I walked past him one day and he is huge , he would crush anyone.
SoulWriter wrote: » she said she thought he said "actually i met her on this walk recently" part 2 one minute in
Wompa1 wrote: » Was he a stoner with dreadlocks when he got the lift? Because he apparently told his mother the next day and they immediately went to the Gardai when he told her.
Malachi Reed's statement on 06th Feb He states that on 4th Feb, IB gave him a lift home and said "I went up there with a rock one night and bashed her f*cking brains in". He said he did it to get a story for the newspapers. MR says that he got a shock when he heard what Ian had said and he got a cold shiver. This is not consistent with the recollection of his mother Amanda who states that "I remember Tuesday 4th Feb at 9pm Malachi arrived home. He told me he had got a spin home from IB. Malachi seemed okay and was in good form. On the following day, 5th Feb, Malachi arrived home at about 6pm. I noticed he was agitated and I wondered why. I questioned him and he told me that garda Kelleher had called to school that day and was asking questions about IB and his movements on the previous night. Malachi then said he hadn't told the garda everything and he told me that IB had been drinking on the Tuesday night and that he had said to him that he had smashed her brains in with a rock or a stone. At this stage Malachi was upset and I think that it was only then that the impact of what IB had said to him hit him" It is abundantly clear that MR was not upset by IB on 4th Feb, however, following his conversation with garda Kelleher he became upset and turned a conversation which had apparently not up until then alarmed him into something sinister
SoulWriter wrote: » there is no evidence she went down to the gate either. The detective feels she was enticed outside the door . she may have been hit and tried to open the door so her blood was on it
monkeybutter wrote: » i truly believe the gardai didn't do that bad a job and were overall pretty professional within the context of the resources available at the time, in terms of the forensics and pathology etc Yes they fixated on Bailey too much, but would it have solved the crime if they had not? I doubt it We know they can be a devious bunch at times but sometimes there's no other way to get someone maybe 1 or 2 bad eggs in there rather than a root n branch issue The media have a lot to answer for and from personal experience know they will print absolutely any old ****, even if they know its ****e, as long as its juicy, Bailey himself involved in that
Padre_Pio wrote: » There's so many trivial facts like this surrounding the case that I wonder how much is actually true.
SoulWriter wrote: » the book open at 'Dream of Death' is true
[Deleted User] wrote: » Watched the new Netflix series, the Sheridan series is far superior and much more diverse in characters and scope. The Netflix series relies on mainly 4 or 5 contributors, a couple of journos, a couple of Schull residents, one of whom keeps his arms tightly crossed through the whole thing, and the mum of someone who Bailey allegedly confessed to. Very dissapointing. Bailey looks better in this documentary than he does in Sheridans film. Bottom line is, Sheridan is a very good film maker. Netflix documentary is painting by numbers. Bailey is most likely innocent of this crime.
Mackinac wrote: » There was a book of poetry by Yeats left open in the kitchen of the house. It was open at “A Dream Of Death”. It could be a coincidence but it’s a remarkable one at that.
namloc1980 wrote: » Get back in and then going back down to the gate? No evidence of that at all.
Mackinac wrote: » Watched episode 2 of the Netflix series this morning and the actress who portrayed Sophie said that whilst they were filming at Three Castle Head Ian Bailey had appeared. He told her he had walked there with Sophie before she died. The reconstruction was filmed in January, 1997.
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