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All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

brianhere

All social/population control measures introduced by the state security apparatus as a result of this health scare will be, and have always intended to be, permanent in my view. Here are a few reasons why:
a) Because they already have shown that they are stringing people along. The publicans, for example, have been assured every couple of weeks for the whole summer that they will be allowed to reopen, but the government had no intention of allowing this. First it was to stop the spread of the disease altogether, then it was 'flattening the curve' and now it is in response to an increase in cases which they know perfectly well had to follow an increase in testing. You don't want to be the donkey chasing the carrot here!

b) Because they have invested so much money and time in changing the whole apparatus of society, in schools for example, and other places. Clearly these changes were not implemented in order to disappear in only a few weeks, they show the planning and expense of permanent measures.

c) Because the state has a record of never releasing back to the population rights that they seized during some panic. A few examples:
i) During the hype about TB in the 1950s the state introduced a voluntary scheme to control the disease in cattle. It involved those who had tested negative for the disease to be given a special tag and the farmer a 'herd number'. This voluntary scheme then evolved into the state controlling all aspects of agricultural activity by only allowing any such activity - even keeping a few hens - with the permission of the state, via compulsory herd numbers.
ii) Similar to this current panic, in the 1970s the state amended earlier WWII legislation to enable it to abolish jury trials. This was a great shock to the legal profession - even to the then President - and affront to the time honoured legal practices in Ireland but it was rushed through on the basis of sunset clauses whereby it would have to be renewed every year, and hence was temporary. Of course it is still with us long after the troubles have ended.
iii) After 9/11 and some hyped episodes like 'underwear bombers', this state and all around the world introduced time consuming and very intrusive security procedures particularly at airports. This of course is still with us long after the scare has died down.

d) This last point I am sure some of you will not get, but I will make it anyway. These measures are being rolled out precisely because they have huge social and population control advantages for the state, hence they are only piggy backing on the virus to do what they have all along planned to do, and hence have no intention of ever releasing you in the future from their newly introduced grip.

So look if you want to get your life back you should join the demonstrations next Saturday at 2.00pm at the Customs House and the Dáil in Dublin. You will not get released from this vice otherwise, they will compel you to harm your own health via vaccines and masks (of course it harms your health by restricting your breathing, and harming your health does not help somebody else), and otherwise we will descend further into this nightmare of Communist style spying on neighbours and bullying people in the name of social conformity.

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Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's pretty much over in Ireland.

He didn't say what he meant by 'some degree'. He doesn't want masks to be scrapped. That suggests he wants them to continue to be required everywhere, as they are currently. He's not the first to have said that. Susan Michie said they should be required forever. John Edmunds said something similar last year.

Absolute bullshìt:pac:

So now you know what he meant because you're psychic?:rolleyes:

[Deleted User]

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Measures aren't permanent. Switch on your TV and look at the crowds at Wimbledon.

Neil Clark is a scare-merchant crank, there's a reason why he's on a Russian propaganda network. Does it ever occur to you that people like him play to an audience like you? There are other posters here who think Covid doesn't exist, or that Satan created it, or that the "NWO" wants to usher in global Communism or that the entire monetary system is about to collapse, how do you not see the glaring similarities between those irrational beliefs and yours?

Masks required when moving around and a vaccine passport needed as well. We'll know on the 19th. If they're not scrapped then then they'll never be scrapped. They won't be scrapped when in autumn or winter.

I think there will be a lockdown in the UK from October to March. That's based on what Kathy Gyngell wrote the other day on Twitter: https://twitter.com/KathyConWom/status/1409793940610502656 and also on the UK Government signing a number of contracts regarding covid advertising campaigns, covid marshals and covid testing centres.

The monetary collapse one is interesting. The IMF called for a new bretton woods last year. it'd be interesting to get percider's thoughts on that.

[Deleted User]

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Absolute bullshìt:pac:

So now you know what he meant because you're psychic?:rolleyes:

You said that he meant hospitals, care homes. Does that mean you're psychic?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Masks required when moving around and a vaccine passport needed as well. We'll know on the 19th. If they're not scrapped then then they'll never be scrapped. They won't be scrapped when in autumn or winter.

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But again you said that you can't explain why they want to do this.
So obviously they don't want to do it.
Why do you keep arguing the opposite?

Why do you have to be constantly dishonest to argue this?

[Deleted User]

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's a case of "I believe measures will be permanent for reasons I can't explain, therefore I will filter any and all information to fit that belief". It's always amazing how posters can't see themselves doing this, especially when there's such rampant evidence of other posters doing it all around them.

Oh I think Gortanna has reasons., he just doesn't want to be honest about them.

This is most likely because either the theory is really out there wit wacky conspiracy stuff or it's not very well thought out. Or both.
Either way he's learned that if people hear his reasons they rightly dismiss them out of hand for being silly.
By avoiding explaining his theory he can pretend to have a valid point.

Timberrrrrrrr

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You said that he meant hospitals, care homes. Does that mean you're psychic?

No, I just understand plain English.

Dohnjoe

Gortanna wrote: »

Masks required when moving around and a vaccine passport needed as well. We'll know on the 19th. If they're not scrapped then then they'll never be scrapped. They won't be scrapped when in autumn or winter.

Why?

Explain using logic and reason. Measures aren't permanent, we know this, because they have been continually lifted. When this started happening, all you have done is modify your argument to suit that, completely contradicting yourself. This is a hallmark of an irrational belief, one that constantly shifts and changes.

The monetary collapse one is interesting. The IMF called for a new bretton woods last year. it'd be interesting to get percider's thoughts on that.

Exactly, it's "interesting" or "exciting" to people who love to fantasize about these things. Fantasies that are validated by nonsense on the internet and turn into beliefs. Always the same kind of person that gravitates towards these things, and feeds the market for them.

Thinkingaboutit

Gortanna wrote: »

Masks required when moving around and a vaccine passport needed as well. We'll know on the 19th. If they're not scrapped then then they'll never be scrapped. They won't be scrapped when in autumn or winter.

I think there will be a lockdown in the UK from October to March. That's based on what Kathy Gyngell wrote the other day on Twitter: https://twitter.com/KathyConWom/status/1409793940610502656 and also on the UK Government signing a number of contracts regarding covid advertising campaigns, covid marshals and covid testing centres.

The monetary collapse one is interesting. The IMF called for a new bretton woods last year. it'd be interesting to get percider's thoughts on that.

The 'flu season will provide the symptoms. I want to hope this COVID stuff is coming to an end, but that's more and more doubtful.

[Deleted User]

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

The 'flu season will provide the symptoms. I want to hope this COVID stuff is coming to an end, but that's more and more doubtful.

We're not about to cross over to 350 pages. Not one person has been able to explain which measures are going to be permanent and present a rational argument as to why this would happen.

Any chance you'll be able to buck the trend and explain what you believe will be permanent and why?

NaFirinne

King Mob wrote: »

We're not about to cross over to 350 pages. Not one person has been able to explain which measures are going to be permanent and present a rational argument as to why this would happen.

Any chance you'll be able to buck the trend and explain what you believe will be permanent and why?

Maybe the Utopia series wasn't too far off the mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_yUBFmoxg&t=136s

Dohnjoe

NaFirinne wrote: »

Maybe the Utopia series wasn't too far off the mark

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sU_yUBFmoxg&t=136s

You suggesting Covid vaccines are designed to cause harm? that the pandemic was planned?

Or are you going to hang on the sidelines of this thread constantly making those hints?

[Deleted User]

NaFirinne wrote: »

Maybe the Utopia series wasn't too far off the mark

No, TV shows are not real.

Could you maybe answer my questions directly please. Or perhaps explain why you and other conspiracy theorists have been avoiding it?

I wager you will dodge and run away again because you cannot answer either question honestly.
Why change now?

PintOfView

Gortanna wrote: »

Masks required when moving around and a vaccine passport needed as well. We'll know on the 19th. If they're not scrapped then then they'll never be scrapped. They won't be scrapped when in autumn or winter.

I think there will be a lockdown in the UK from October to March. That's based on what Kathy Gyngell wrote the other day on Twitter: https://twitter.com/KathyConWom/status/1409793940610502656 and also on the UK Government signing a number of contracts regarding covid advertising campaigns, covid marshals and covid testing centres.

The monetary collapse one is interesting. The IMF called for a new bretton woods last year. it'd be interesting to get percider's thoughts on that.

So if you were the minister for health in Ireland, and responsible for the covid response,
what would you do, as regards opening up, etc?

And can you propose what you think the result would be, as regards:
cases?
deaths?
hospital ICU occupancy?
hospital capacity to treat non-covid patients?

The Nal

Gortanna wrote: »

I think there will be a lockdown in the UK from October to March. That's based on what Kathy Gyngell wrote the other day on Twitter: .

Why do you believe her? Because its on Twitter?

runawaybishop

Gortanna wrote: »

I think there will be a lockdown in the UK from October to March. That's based on what Kathy Gyngell wrote the other day on Twitter:

Ah Kathy Gyngell, the troll who hates unmarried mothers and runs that anti-feminist site? How is she qualified to speak on this? Surprise surprise, she isnt.

'Rumours are circulating". Yeah they are Kathy, a bunch of dentists have secret insight to a plot to enslave the worlds population with a piece of cloth.

You have no bull**** filter mate.

buzzerxx

The lies and propaganda will be permanent.

https://www.facebook.com/austin.get.guap/videos/2006628022818282

Fighting Tao

buzzerxx wrote: »

The lies and propaganda will be permanent.

https://www.facebook.com/austin.get.guap/videos/2006628022818282

More link dumping. I’m not on Facebook and have no interest in going to someone’s ranting without evidence page. Care to explain what it is and give your views on it?

PintOfView

buzzerxx wrote: »

The lies and propaganda will be permanent.

https://www.facebook.com/austin.get.guap/videos/2006628022818282

That is likely correct, but it is you who are falling for the lies and propaganda on websites peddling fake news!

Meanwhile in the real world people are doing what's necessary to combat a virus.

aido79

buzzerxx wrote: »

The lies and propaganda will be permanent.

https://www.facebook.com/austin.get.guap/videos/2006628022818282

And you believe this because some flat-earther who asks for donations multiple times a day on their Facebook pages says so?

buzzerxx

aido79 wrote: »

And you believe this because some flat-earther who asks for donations multiple times a day on their Facebook pages says so?

I didn't realise that was a fake account with flat earth bull so that will be deleted.
Even so the clip shows what fools they take us for.

aido79

buzzerxx wrote: »

I didn't realise that was a fake account with flat earth bull so that will be deleted.
Even so the clip shows what fools they take us for.

At last you have one thing right..you are being taken for a fool by people like this who rely on conspiracy theorists like yourself to lap up everything they want you to believe to suit their agenda.

buzzerxx

aido79 wrote: »

At last you have one thing right..you are being taken for a fool by people like this who rely on conspiracy theorists like yourself to lap up everything they want you to believe to suit their agenda.

One of the weirdest beliefs is that secretive government agencies who did evil things in the past just don't do evil things anymore. This belief is based on literally nothing. It's believed because it's comfortable.

the truth is, you shouldn't even need to research
at this point. common sense should reveal the absolute absurdity of what is happening in the world right now.

robinph

buzzerxx wrote: »

One of the weirdest beliefs is that secretive government agencies who did evil things in the past just don't do evil things anymore. This belief is based on literally nothing. It's believed because it's comfortable.

the truth is, you shouldn't even need to research
at this point. common sense should reveal the absolute absurdity of what is happening in the world right now.

And what exactly is it that the secretive governments are doing to us?

What is the purpose of making us wear masks and not go on holiday abroad for the last year?

Dohnjoe

buzzerxx wrote: »

One of the weirdest beliefs is that secretive government agencies who did evil things in the past just don't do evil things anymore. This belief is based on literally nothing. It's believed because it's comfortable.

the truth is, you shouldn't even need to research
at this point. common sense should reveal the absolute absurdity of what is happening in the world right now.

Okay, and what is "really going on" according to you?

Hundreds of pages of innuendo and no one can explain.

buzzerxx

PintOfView wrote: »

That is likely correct, but it is you who are falling for the lies and propaganda on websites peddling fake news!

Meanwhile in the real world people are doing what's necessary to combat a virus.

THE REAL CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENTS CARE ABOUT THEM, THE MEDIA WOULD NEVER MISLEAD OR LIE TO THEM AND THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY THAT MAKES BILLIONS OFF SICKNESS WANTS TO CURE THEM.

Dohnjoe

buzzerxx wrote: »

THE REAL CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENTS CARE ABOUT THEM, THE MEDIA WOULD NEVER MISLEAD OR LIE TO THEM AND THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY THAT MAKES BILLIONS OFF SICKNESS WANTS TO CURE THEM.

And here's the capslock tantrum phase.

robinph

buzzerxx wrote: »

THE REAL CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENTS CARE ABOUT THEM, THE MEDIA WOULD NEVER MISLEAD OR LIE TO THEM AND THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY THAT MAKES BILLIONS OFF SICKNESS WANTS TO CURE THEM.

OK, so what is the reason for the wearing of masks and shutting down of the economy of each country?

[Deleted User]

buzzerxx wrote: »

THE REAL CONSPIRACY THEORISTS BELIEVE THAT GOVERNMENTS CARE ABOUT THEM, THE MEDIA WOULD NEVER MISLEAD OR LIE TO THEM AND THE PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY THAT MAKES BILLIONS OFF SICKNESS WANTS TO CURE THEM.

No need to shout. Doing so doesn't lend much to your credibility.

Just calmly explain what specific measures are going to be permanent and why.
Maybe you can start with the claim that most other conspiracy theorists have settled on as the only permanent measure.
Why do you believe masks are going to be made permanent? How does that benefit people behind the conspiracy.

aido79

buzzerxx wrote: »

One of the weirdest beliefs is that secretive government agencies who did evil things in the past just don't do evil things anymore. This belief is based on literally nothing. It's believed because it's comfortable.

the truth is, you shouldn't even need to research
at this point. common sense should reveal the absolute absurdity of what is happening in the world right now.

The truth is this is the starting point for your research so it is easier for you to go down rabbit holes than someone who is less inclined to look for the conspiracy theory angle in everything.

Do you actually believe there is a secret government agency in Ireland that has the intention of making covid restriction measures permanent?

The Nal

I think some people need their safe space in the echo chamber of the comments on Facebook. Dump and run. Proper conversations make some people afraid.