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Cluedo Monopoly wrote: » You didn't even mention the word oblique Leo was asked why he wasn't sharing info with the opposition (as per Shortall comments). Leo said they do brief the opposition but then admitted when questioned further that the last time was many months ago. It was December! Listen back. He was flapping.
Marine Layer wrote: » I was listening, what's dithering about saying the information will be supplied? I think its OUTRIGHT wrong by the way that all opposition parties aren't given sight of Nphets detailed modeling and thoughts all the time I simply do not understand What does the cabinet sub committee get besides the cmo's letter ? If its only the cmo's letter,that is always published
Cluedo Monopoly wrote: » He sounded very silly on Radio 1 when asked that question.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Varadkar got hammered by Shortall for not briefing the opposition properly too yesterday. Spluttered and dithered about it when challenged on Morning Ireland. And of course the mandatory, 'we'll look at that now' plámas. We are well over a year into this, there should be no excuses at this stage.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So now what I said was 'as if' you 'said least dangerous meant' safe'. That's a bit of movement I suppose. Maybe you are right. Clearly what I 'said' was so oblique you can't fe'king find me saying it. have a good day Marine. You need one!
Fann Linn wrote: » Ossian Smith GP getting the knockback also when calling for an independent review of the data according to the Indo this morning,
Marine Layer wrote: » Oh that's easy lad,you're now trying to be oblique about your obliqueness having been called out on it It was you who misrepresented me in the first place as if I said least dangerous meant safe I clarified that and now in oblique high gear you're off on one again trying (in vain) to turn that clarity into non clarity Yoda would be proud of you I've stopped laughing and am bored with the obliqueness tbh It was curious for a while
FrancieBrady wrote: » Not half the chuckle I am having at yet another poster getting caught in his own net of mis-representation/lying. Let's roll back a bit and see if you will back up what you are NOW claiming.
Consternation as ministers 'blindsided' by NPHET
However, it's an absolute minefield and the Government has provided little detail about the plan.This situation might not have been so difficult for the Government, if there had been some planning about how such a policy would be introduced. However, it does beg the question - could NPHET not have tipped-off the Health Minister that a significant change in policy might possibly be required? The Chief Medical Officer and Health Minister work in the same building. However, he also said that there was an effective relationship between the public health experts and the Cabinet. But Opposition TDs believe there are significant questions about how they function together.
The old political adage that "if you are explaining, you are losing" most certainly applies here: the Government has a lot of explaining to do over the coming weeks.
Marine Layer wrote: » You know,least dangerous doesn't mean its safe yeah? You know that's a clear statement At this stage,you are actually attempting to be oblique about your obliqueness I'm genuinely laughing now
As somebody who puts such great value in the 'use of language', would you mind showing me where I said YOU said it was 'safe'?
FrancieBrady wrote: » Marine Layer wrote: » More obliqueness You didn't Exactly, I didn't claim it, but you railed against it anyway and accuse me of being oblique! What I did was, show you where wrong, it was something on the HSE website, not something 'peddled by vintners'.
Marine Layer wrote: » More obliqueness You didn't
Marine Layer wrote: » More obliqueness You didn't [/QUOTE Exactly, I didn't claim it, but you railed against it anyway and accuse me of being oblique! What I did was, show you where wrong, it was something on the HSE website, not something 'peddled by vintners'.
FrancieBrady wrote: » As somebody who puts such great value in the 'use of language', would you mind showing me where I said YOU said it was 'safe'?
You are doing the typical thing government defenders do here, inventing/mis-representing/lying about what is being said and then arguing against/criticising the poster. There will probably be one of those defenders along shortly to give you 100% marks, so at least you have that.
I also haven't tried to silence you, so the line about you 'carrying on regardless' is strange. A bit of a persecution complex there maybe?
Marine Layer wrote: » It is peddled by vintners...all over the news yesterday which is what I said Saying its safe is not what I said Here you go again with the language you decry the government for,oblique,oblique, oblique Carry on with the hypocrisy, it matters not a jot to me,I'll still make my points regardless
FrancieBrady wrote: » You also said 'it was peddled by vintners' when it is there on the HSE site. Own what you say and stop attacking me for being better informed than you. You are 'confused about the information' the very thing I was talking about.
Marine Layer wrote: » I said least dangerous..I didn't say safe.. Seriously, Francie,you are using all the language you decry government politicians for,to try and obliquely (in vain) evade Its as I've said yesterday discussion rules for thee but not for me hypocrisy, With that you're quite effectively shooting your own posts credibility right out of the water again and again and again Fascinating, only for the fact obliqueness bores me
FrancieBrady wrote: » It may or may not be> But you too seem confused. The HSE beg to differ. There is a chance you can get Covid and the ability to spread it is unknownhttps://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/astrazeneca/immunity/
Cluedo Monopoly wrote: » Leo got roasted on Radio 1. As usual the govt have done no contingency planning. Delta has been around since March but it sounds like the Nphet suggestion of the Green Cert was the first time the govt ever considered it as an option. All over the shop again.
Marine Layer wrote: » You can't escape Francie, You're all rules for thee but not for me in your discussions
Marine Layer wrote: » That last one is a misnomer Francie Its a line peddled by vintners trying to pull the wool over Serving vaccinated people is probably one of the least dangerous places a server could be
FrancieBrady wrote: » They also warn us that you can still get Covid even if vaccinated and spread it.
Fann Linn wrote: » There's been 'medical experts' on most media programmes over the last few days crying out to see Nphets data on these latest figures. This is the crowd who thought we were too thick to wear a mask properly. This is the crowd who don't believe in using Antigen testing as an aid. This is the crowd that won't debate or answer opposition TDs questions and again, this is the crowd who believe it's ok for a 20 something to serve you or me a meal unvaccinated but it's not okay for them to eat their own lunch in the same hotel, pub or cafe. Does that seem logical to you?
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