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Lions Tour

ec18

Hi,

Just wondering has anyone ever gone on a lions tour with a package company?
or can recommend one?

Ec

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liosnagceann75

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

A reminder the €15 sky sports monthly pass in Now ends tonight. Use code SPMUNOWQAXWD

I'll cancel it towards end of July to be offered another cheap rate for the remainder of the tour.

Gets you access to all 11 Sky Sports channel including the pop up Lions one.

Just took the offer there. Sound for that

Boscoirl

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

A reminder the €15 sky sports monthly pass in Now ends tonight. Use code SPMUNOWQAXWD

I'll cancel it towards end of July to be offered another cheap rate for the remainder of the tour.

Gets you access to all 11 Sky Sports channel including the pop up Lions one.

Legend. Thought I had missed the offer. Was resigned to paying the full amount for the month.

Sheep Shagger

A reminder the €15 sky sports monthly pass in Now ends tonight. Use code SPMUNOWQAXWD

I'll cancel it towards end of July to be offered another cheap rate for the remainder of the tour.

Gets you access to all 11 Sky Sports channel including the pop up Lions one.

swiwi_

OldRio wrote: »

The Lions don't care about optics and South Africa. It never bothered them in the past why worry now?

If it’s all about optics then having Specman on the wing is a good start.

sydthebeat

TRC10 wrote: »

Rosko Specman is making his debut for the Boks on Friday.

Wouldn't be every day you see a 32 year old debutant winger.

im more excited to watch fassi on the other wing.....

TRC10

Rosko Specman is making his debut for the Boks on Friday.

Wouldn't be every day you see a 32 year old debutant winger.

Podge_irl

I don't know what its like on the ground in SA, but all experience I have from Europe is that people couldn't wait to have live sports again.

At worst playing the games has no adverse consequences, at best it brings benefits. What on earth would be the reasoning for cancelling it?

Larbre34

Good counter argument.

I still think the callousness of playing these games, while an explosion of Delta V cases is underway, with daily deaths at 250 and rising, will be its undoing. I get what you're saying about the SARU, but in the context of the health of millions, that's a bit irrelevant and can be fixed at a later stage.

We shall see.

Former Former Former

Larbre34 wrote: »

How so?

Well, SA have not played a test since RWC 2019. They're out of Super Rugby and the Currie Cup is going on behind closed doors. The financial hit must be absolutely massive. How would the IRFU be doing if we hadn't played eleven tests since the pandemic started?

Now, if the Lions pull the plug and force SARU to hand back whatever TV and commercial money they had budgeted for, where does that leave the hosts? Even though pro rugby is being played in Joburg and Pretoria anyway? Like, Georgia are rocking up there at the weekend, are people outraged about that? The Boks would (rightly) say that if they'd had notice, they'd have arranged a money-spinning tour somewhere else.

If they pull out, the same critics would be saying that the Lions left South Africa in the lurch when they needed them most, thus proving that the Lions is a dead concept only driven by greed, they had no problem touring SA during apartheid but NOW it's an issue?

OldRio

Larbre34 wrote: »

In the circumstances, history will not look kindly on this tour.

SA may well go into the test without a single warm up fixture.

The Lions wearing them down in empty stadiums while outside in Jo'Burg and Pretoria people are dying in droves, could be the worst optics in the history of Rugby.

r.

The Lions don't care about optics and South Africa. It never bothered them in the past why worry now?

FlubberJones

lawrencesummers wrote: »

That’s just what they are telling him hoping he will leave.

Why the wanting of Jones to leave?

sprucemoose

Larbre34 wrote: »

If the Lions Committee care a jot about the future of the team, the brand, even the game, they should approach the SARU and tell them they are cancelling the tour and returning to Europe.

if it were going to be cancelled it should have been back in march/april when the decision was made. the squad etc are already over there so why would they return? unless their presence would pose a great danger to either themselves or the public then they should stay and since they are vaccinated (to my knowledge), the risk is greatly reduced.

There has also been ridiculous inequality in SA, should the lions have pulled out of the 2009 tour? should ireland have not toured in 2016?

Larbre34 wrote: »

SARU should then be brought into talks to tour next year, if appropriate, or to design a solidarity fund from the 4 nations to SA rugby, until the tour can be refixed for 2025, delaying each scheduled visit to Aus and NZ by four years thereafter.

also never going to happen

Larbre34

Former Former Former wrote: »

It doesn't. The optics of cancelling are much worse

How so?

Former Former Former

Podge_irl wrote: »

Not sure how not playing the tour helps anyone

It doesn't. The optics of cancelling are much worse and the consequences for SARU are definitely much worse.

Podge_irl

Not sure how not playing the tour helps anyone

Larbre34

In the circumstances, history will not look kindly on this tour.

SA may well go into the test without a single warm up fixture.

The Lions wearing them down in empty stadiums while outside in Jo'Burg and Pretoria people are dying in droves, could be the worst optics in the history of Rugby.

As of tonight, there are zero ICU beds in the Gauteng province, population 15,000,000, median annual income 3,500 US dollars.

If the Lions Committee care a jot about the future of the team, the brand, even the game, they should approach the SARU and tell them they are cancelling the tour and returning to Europe. SARU should then be brought into talks to tour next year, if appropriate, or to design a solidarity fund from the 4 nations to SA rugby, until the tour can be refixed for 2025, delaying each scheduled visit to Aus and NZ by four years thereafter.

TXPTGR1

Teferi wrote: »

There's only so much messing they can get up to in the hotel. I wonder what sort of activities the team has planned - maybe they'd sneak a safari in? Outdoors and could be distanced. I don't envy the events committee.

A traditional South African brai with loads of petrol hopefully

jacothelad

prawnsambo wrote: »

Stephen Jones. In a tent. Outdoors in South Africa. What could go wrong?

Not enough......

Teferi

awec wrote: »

Think the players are going to be bored off their face for the next month or so, and I think it'll affect performances. Probably the same for the Springboks.

Hope I'm wrong but I think this might be a fairly dull series.

There's only so much messing they can get up to in the hotel. I wonder what sort of activities the team has planned - maybe they'd sneak a safari in? Outdoors and could be distanced. I don't envy the events committee.

TomsOnTheRoof

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Perhaps there's a welcoming township somewhere around Johannesburg that Jones could be dropped off in for a few nights.

The poor bastards are suffering enough already

Cosmo Kramer

Perhaps there's a welcoming township somewhere around Johannesburg that Jones could be dropped off in for a few nights.

lawrencesummers

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/stephenjones9/status/1409789399118880770?s=19

That’s just what they are telling him hoping he will leave.

prawnsambo

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/stephenjones9/status/1409789399118880770?s=19

Stephen Jones. In a tent. Outdoors in South Africa. What could go wrong?

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/stephenjones9/status/1409789399118880770?s=19

Cookiemunster

Quin_Dub wrote: »

surely once they are in the "Bubble" they should be fine?

Also - Why aren't they all vaccinated ?

The UK are already well down into the 20-30 age cohort and the Irish lads could have been sorted when in Jersey surely?

All the original squad members got the Pfizer vaccine when the met up in London a month ago and were due to receive their second dose when the squad met up in Jersey last week. I'm not sure if the replacements have been vaccinated.

The SARU have also said that their squad is vaccinated.

salmocab

Quin_Dub wrote: »

surely once they are in the "Bubble" they should be fine?

Also - Why aren't they all vaccinated ?

The UK are already well down into the 20-30 age cohort and the Irish lads could have been sorted when in Jersey surely?

I think they are all vaccinated, vaccination doesn’t 100% stop Covid. They would be fine in the bubble but there are hotel staff etc and opposition players that they will have some contact with.

Quin_Dub

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Sounds like it's going to be a bag of laughs for the lads on tour....

Seems anyone outside the match 22 won't be allowed in the stadium on match day and players won't be doing a lot of the social activities you'd normally see on tour.

salmocab wrote: »

No sharing rooms, all the socialising will be in the team room in the hotel. It sounds really tough.

surely once they are in the "Bubble" they should be fine?

Also - Why aren't they all vaccinated ?

The UK are already well down into the 20-30 age cohort and the Irish lads could have been sorted when in Jersey surely?

Squidgy Black

awec wrote: »

Think the players are going to be bored off their face for the next month or so, and I think it'll affect performances. Probably the same for the Springboks.

Hope I'm wrong but I think this might be a fairly dull series.

It'd be impossible for it not to affect performances tbh, the mental aspect side of things will be ridiculous. Would take a lot of shine off the tour for players, considering you mostly hear players reminisce about the nights out and the other trips out with the team.

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/FrontRowGrunt/status/1409743848440483840?s=19

awec

Think the players are going to be bored off their face for the next month or so, and I think it'll affect performances. Probably the same for the Springboks.

Hope I'm wrong but I think this might be a fairly dull series.