FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

That last one is a misnomer Francie
Its a line peddled by vintners trying to pull the wool over
Serving vaccinated people is probably one of the least dangerous places a server could be

Fann Linn wrote: »

There's been 'medical experts' on most media programmes over the last few days crying out to see Nphets data on these latest figures. This is the crowd who thought we were too thick to wear a mask properly. This is the crowd who don't believe in using Antigen testing as an aid. This is the crowd that won't debate or answer opposition TDs questions and again, this is the crowd who believe it's ok for a 20 something to serve you or me a meal unvaccinated but it's not okay for them to eat their own lunch in the same hotel, pub or cafe.

Does that seem logical to you?

They also warn us that you can still get Covid even if vaccinated and spread it.

ineedeuro wrote: »

From? I don’t think any organisation is going to come in without weeks reviewing and say they are wrong. Again people dying

There's been 'medical experts' on most media programmes over the last few days crying out to see Nphets data on these latest figures. This is the crowd who thought we were too thick to wear a mask properly. This is the crowd who don't believe in using Antigen testing as an aid. This is the crowd that won't debate or answer opposition TDs questions and again, this is the crowd who believe it's ok for a 20 something to serve you or me a meal unvaccinated but it's not okay for them to eat their own lunch in the same hotel, pub or cafe.

Does that seem logical to you?

Fann Linn wrote: »

I heard Donnelly's incoherent ramblings today at 1.00 and he was pathetic. However, the options that are being given out now by Nphet are so off the wall and contradictory that I don't think anyone could really believe them and communicate them out to a wider audience.

Where would I like to see a difference? For a start they could demand a bit more efficiency in getting the data released and debated and certainly not handed into a Minister of Health half an hour before a cabinet meeting.

Secondly, Donnelly was at pains to day to state that he was going to meet reps from the hospitality sector ASAP. Someone from the industry made the point later today that he hadn't met them to date.

So you're right Francie, nobody in all of DE including the Healy Rae's and Mattie McGrath could be as poor as Stephen Donnelly if they were in charge of the Health portfolio.

NPHET have been allowed to work like an independent body. They work for the government (i.e. us)
Varadkar had a pop at undermining them in public as if they were political foes which was astonishing really.
They ignored the advice and then had to quickly enact it when things went tits up. Just pure chaos really.

If there are issues between them...sort it out in private. The undermining was ridiculous and has added to the confusion as to who is in control/charge.
And sort out the leaking and kiteflying.
One briefing by the relevant minister every week for the public - clear and agreed with NPHET should be adequate. Not the sham where we have every ego on radio speculating and hinting before anything is properly decided.

Fann Linn wrote: »

Or get further advice considering his track record.

From? I don’t think any organisation is going to come in without weeks reviewing and say they are wrong. Again people dying

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Maybe so, would the communications be as chaotic though.

I heard Donnelly's incoherent ramblings today at 1.00 and he was pathetic. However, the options that are being given out now by Nphet are so off the wall and contradictory that I don't think anyone could really believe them and communicate them out to a wider audience.

Where would I like to see a difference? For a start they could demand a bit more efficiency in getting the data released and debated and certainly not handed into a Minister of Health half an hour before a cabinet meeting.

Secondly, Donnelly was at pains to day to state that he was going to meet reps from the hospitality sector ASAP. Someone from the industry made the point later today that he hadn't met them to date.

So you're right Francie, nobody in all of DE including the Healy Rae's and Mattie McGrath could be as poor as Stephen Donnelly if they were in charge of the Health portfolio.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

We don't generally have the weather for that between wind and rain.

The rain in ireland is generally not that heavy, it’s misty sh*t that just never stops. The wind is easily stopped

Fann Linn wrote: »

Although it pains me to say it the thing is I firmly believe SF would follow Holohan's and Donnelly's idiotic advice also.

They'd probably follow Holohan's
Like everyone we are all exhausted with this pandemic though and Even though there's loads of positive parameters now in Ireland, God knows what curve ball is coming next
We just don't know
I'd keep my eye on the seatbelt and helmet

Marine Layer wrote: »

Obliquely, Francie

Nothing oblique about it. You just didn't get the answer you wanted.

I'm sure I complained
My question was today btw unless I'm gone doolally or you're in Serbia
I'm probably gone doolally regardless;)

You've lost me with this.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Hey Marine...I posted about this at 10am yesterday.

*and I answered your question...yesterday.

Obliquely, Francie
I'm sure I complained
My question was today btw unless I'm gone doolally or you're in Serbia
I'm probably gone doolally regardless;)

Fann Linn wrote: »

Although it pains me to say it the thing is I firmly believe SF would follow Holohan's and Donnelly's idiotic advice also.

Maybe so, would the communications be as chaotic though.

ineedeuro wrote: »

What option would they have? go against it and people die?

Or get further advice considering his track record.

Fann Linn wrote: »

Although it pains me to say it the thing is I firmly believe SF would follow Holohan's and Donnelly's idiotic advice also.

What option would they have? go against it and people die?

Although it pains me to say it the thing is I firmly believe SF would follow Holohan's and Donnelly's idiotic advice also.

Marine Layer wrote: »

Martins 1pm speech was chaotic?
Did he fall down the steps while I blinked or something?
Decision immediate
Here's what Nphet says you can work with
We know it's not ideal for you
Make what you can with it or stay as you are

Stop trying to be disingenuous and stop spinning your square peg,
Square yokes don't

Have you come to a position yet by the way on whether you agree with the government's decision being aligned to Nphet's ?

Hey Marine...I posted about this at 10am yesterday.

*and I answered your question...yesterday.

_Kaiser_

ineedeuro wrote: »

I haven't even had my first, let alone my second. But I have no problem sitting outside, actually prefer the banter outside than in a stuffy pub with drunks falling all over you trying to get to a bar....
It's standard in Europe to sit outside so nothing new to me.

We don't generally have the weather for that between wind and rain.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

For chaotic communication.

But sure it's alright according to ineedeuro - we all knew Donnelly was incompetent.

Dear lord, the stretching.

Martins 1pm speech was chaotic?
Did he fall down the steps while I blinked or something?
Decision immediate
Here's what Nphet says you can work with
We know it's not ideal for you
Make what you can with it or stay as you are

Stop trying to be disingenuous and stop spinning your square peg,
Square yokes don't

Have you come to a position yet by the way on whether you agree with the government's decision being aligned to Nphet's ?

ineedeuro wrote: »

I haven't even had my first, let alone my second. But I have no problem sitting outside, actually prefer the banter outside than in a stuffy pub with drunks falling all over you trying to get to a bar....
It's standard in Europe to sit outside so nothing new to me.

'I'm alright jack?'...Ok. :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think you are confused. None of that is confirmed yet. Cancel the taxi and the babysitter!

I haven't even had my first, let alone my second. But I have no problem sitting outside, actually prefer the banter outside than in a stuffy pub with drunks falling all over you trying to get to a bar....
It's standard in Europe to sit outside so nothing new to me.

Marine Layer wrote: »

To blame for what?
The government implemented Nphet advice practically immediately
Utter clarity

For chaotic communication.

But sure it's alright according to ineedeuro - we all knew Donnelly was incompetent.

Dear lord, the stretching.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Donnelly just part of the problem. The other ego's out leaking and kiteflying are to blame too.

To blame for what?
The government implemented Nphet advice practically immediately
Utter clarity

ineedeuro wrote: »

This was announced days ago that the restaurants would only be people who have both injections. Today was the confirmation.
I don't have time an have better thing to do than sit around all day waiting for someone on tv or radio to tell me what they mean, bit of cop on people. It's fairly simple.

If you have 2 jabs, go out for dinner in restaurant. If you don't then you can't. Whats the confusion?

I think you are confused. None of that is confirmed yet. Cancel the taxi and the babysitter!

Marine Layer wrote: »

To be fair to me,I've never said Donnelly is competent
Don't know why he's a minister
To get one up.on his Greystones rival I'd say
He's by a country mile the weakest minister in any government in a long time in my humble opinion and that of a lot of people who'd support this government
Nothing new there
You may aswell tell us it was warm today:)
My point earlier simply was,you can't give out about what can't be changed and that's DCC requirements

On Holahan,he put the pcr comment in there to cover his ar5e,I should imagine

Everyone knows he is over his head, so why sit around waiting to listen to an interview and then complain about him. 12 months ago it was clear he wasn't right for the role, are people suddenly expecting today he was going to roll out a master class?

Marine Layer wrote: »

To be fair to me,I've never said Donnelly is competent
Don't know why he's a minister
To get one up.on his Greystones rival I'd say
He's by a country mile the weakest minister in any government in a long time in my humble opinion and that of a lot of people who'd support this government
Nothing new there
You may aswell tell us it was warm today:)
My point earlier simply was,you can't give out about what can't be changed and that's DCC requirements

On Holahan,he put the pcr comment in there to cover his ar5e,I should imagine

Donnelly just part of the problem. The other ego's out leaking and kiteflying are to blame too.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Both of you...if that is what he meant (and I doubt it, he just didn't fecking know what he was talking about, again) he should have said that.

You are proving the point, the government's communications have and still are woeful due to incompetent ministers in key roles who are not on top of their briefs.

This was announced days ago that the restaurants would only be people who have both injections. Today was the confirmation.
I don't have time an have better thing to do than sit around all day waiting for someone on tv or radio to tell me what they mean, bit of cop on people. It's fairly simple.

If you have 2 jabs, go out for dinner in restaurant. If you don't then you can't. Whats the confusion?

McMurphy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Both of you...if that is what he meant (and I doubt it, he just didn't fecking know what he was talking about, again) he should have said that.

You are proving the point, the government's communications have and still are woeful due to incompetent ministers in key roles who are not on top of their briefs.

Gone to shît since the SCU got torn asunder by FF, Leo can't be happy with Michaél for that act of treachery tbh.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Both of you...if that is what he meant (and I doubt it, he just didn't fecking know what he was talking about, again) he should have said that.

You are proving the point, the government's communications have and still are woeful due to incompetent ministers in key roles who are not on top of their briefs.

To be fair to me,I've never said Donnelly is competent
Don't know why he's a minister
To get one up.on his Greystones rival I'd say
He's by a country mile the weakest minister in any government in a long time in my humble opinion and that of a lot of people who'd support this government
Nothing new there
You may aswell tell us it was warm today:)
My point earlier simply was,you can't give out about what can't be changed and that's DCC requirements

On Holahan,he put the pcr comment in there to cover his ar5e,I should imagine

ineedeuro wrote: »

It would seem fairly simple to me. I dont know but I would think this is the reasoning.

If someone in the restaurant is infected it would be a member of the staff because the customers are all injected. So they will pass to other members of staff. But any public that come in will not be infected.

If people without both injections went into the restaurant and a staff member had the virus then you infect the staff and also the customer. Which means you are spreading the virus further and further. Also the customer could bring in and infect the staff

By just allowing the possibility of staff in a restaurant without both jabs it massively reduces the risk. Plus you would expect the restaurant can just keep a track of staff to see if sick/running temp etc. The customers are no longer a risk as they have both jabs

How are people so baffled by this decision? is it intentional or are people actually not able to work this out themselves?

Marine Layer wrote: »

To be fair ,Holohan could advise that only expert carrot cake bakers should enter Ireland on the DCC and the government couldn't implement it
The qualifications for DCC is EU competency
Hence Donnelly would have been factually correct that they might like the no pcr idea but cannot do that

Both of you...if that is what he meant (and I doubt it, he just didn't fecking know what he was talking about, again) he should have said that.

You are proving the point, the government's communications have and still are woeful due to incompetent ministers in key roles who are not on top of their briefs.

To be fair ,Holohan could advise that only expert carrot cake bakers should enter Ireland on the DCC and the government couldn't implement it
The qualifications for DCC is EU competency
Hence Donnelly would have been factually correct that they might like the no pcr idea but cannot do that