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ineedeuro wrote: » Really? apart from the usuals who seem to lose the plot at every announcement, most people at this stage would prefer to just get the pandemic over & done with. Not having a meal inside for a few weeks is not going to massively affect them
TomTomTim wrote: » I hate SF, but I'd never be able to get to the place that some people have, which is delusional support for the other side.
blanch152 wrote: » The next election is a long way away. (1) Leo will be Taoiseach, a far better communicator than Martin (2) Green policies will be having a real positive effect
rob316 wrote: » They are absolutely finished, the next GE will be a FF FG bloodbath
FrancieBrady wrote: » Again, the mis-representation. I am against some of what this government does. If I was against 'everything' this thread would be 20 times the length it is. If I am confusing you, ask for clarification. Stop venting about things you aren't prepared to back up.
blanch152 wrote: » You clearly empathise with him then. To say your posts are equally confused and dithering would be an insult to Donnelly though. WE know you are against whatever the Goverment does, and particularly against whatever Leo says, but what exactly are you in favour of?
Floppybits wrote: » After today they will never give a date again. They are afraid to make a decision simple as that. It has been Martins MO since he was a minister and now doing it as Taoiseach.A lot of anger out there at this decision.
Shebean wrote: » A lot deflecting and hiding from the problem. Poor communication. Of course health advice should be followed. The government should set deadlines for deciding to open so business people have advance notice and know where they stand. We had Varadkar talking about the possibility of vaccine passports and Farrell saying it won't work and a while ago Ryan saying it wasn't a runner and today Martin saying they are looking at stuff. It's very easy, but they don't want to be held responsible. Set a planned opening date. Set a yes/no date to decide two weeks in advance. They are being wishy-washy so they can shift blame which is resulting in choppy communication and indecision.
blanch152 wrote: » That could just mean that there are more than one fool, couldn't it?
Marine Layer wrote: » I am questioning the government actually Except I'm being clearMy opinion is the Nphet advice is the most OTT proclamation yet from them 2000 dead by September? 700,000 new cases The dead would have to be mostly young people or vaccines shown by phe to be working excellently against Delta would suddenly have to stop working Theres none of this OTT stuff coming out of GB at the moment
Floppybits wrote: » He nailed it because he agrees with the other poster. Cmon Francie got to get with the programme remember when the poster agreed that anyone who questions this government are 'special needs' well this is what you are seeing here. Do not question the government they are all knowing?
FrancieBrady wrote: » I'm not alone in my bewilderment as to what I just listened to:https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Stephen%20Donnelly%22&src=trend_click&vertical=trends
FrancieBrady wrote: » Donelly is confused and dithering ...are you listening? The interviewer is putting him over it again and again and not getting any clear answers.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nailed? How? Health advise: comes from WHO, NPHET, HSE, NIAC etc etc. You still have to point out how that is wrong. I know it wasn't the answer you want but how was it wrong?
blanch152 wrote: » I think Marine Layer pretty much hit the nail on the head there, and had it confirmed within minutes.
Marine Layer wrote: » I'm allowed question your credibility this morning based on your posts That is actually attacking posts You mightnt like it as you've been nailed Now that the government on this occasion has followed Nphet advice (how long for remains to be seen) My question for you now is ,do you support that or not ? Cue long winded obfuscated reply that avoids a yes or no again I suppose in the fear such clarity hampers the primary objective of giving out
Marine Layer wrote: » Refusing to answer a question directly as to whether the government should align with Nphet today or not (in case it affects your primary objective later and that's giving out) is a case in point
FrancieBrady wrote: » Jaysis, Donnelly is on News talking about indoor dining and they have done no contingency planning and need to look at how other countries have done it. Unbelievable really.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Another limp government defence goes down in flames. Cannot attack the point made - attack the poster.
Marine Layer wrote: » Still doesn't cut it Be clear in your own messaging before taking the moral high ground criticising the government's clarity Rightly or wrongly the government will give clarity on their decision later today Meanwhile you'll be anything but,if it gets in the way of giving out Thats been my experience in discussions with you this morning and often
Still no clarity and every Tom Dick and Harry speculating and kiteflying and hinting. Said this a year ago. Why not shut one of these two up - The Government or NPHET - let one of them do the communicating. Shut Ministers and those privy to deliberations up - stop them playing 'look at me' in the media. (I'm looking at you Harris, Ryan, Varadkar, Holohan etc) NPHET make their deliberations, give their advise - government meets to discuss and make final decision - THEN AND ONLY THEN - talk to the media? (oh yeh...stick to the decisions when you make them) Seems fairly simple if you want to avoid confusion.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I used 'health advice' for a reason. No confusion, only on the receiving end, as I have explained it twice now, what I was referring to. You are desperate to deflect to this. Blanch is desperate to mis-represent too. My 'criticism' has nothing to do with NPHET or the advice, it has to do with how the government is communicating. But avoid dealing with that if you wish.
Marine Layer wrote: » You can't escape Francie, You're all rules for thee but not for me in your discussions Shoots your credibility when complaining right up when talking about the government's language given you go on with a good dose of it yourself Refusing to answer a question directly as to whether the government should align with Nphet today or not (in case it affects your primary objective later and that's giving out) is a case in point
FrancieBrady wrote: » You are comparing the responsibilities of a random poster on the internet to those of the 'government' in order to defend the government???? Wow. Brilliant! The government have cited advice from the HSE, WHO, NPHET and others in their determinations to date.. 'Health advice' encompasses all of that.
Marine Layer wrote: » What confuses me,is similar modeling was mentioned a month ago re Northern Ireland by Swann Its not happening Their indoor dining has been open a while for all and we are catching up rapid on vaccination I can understand a pause untill July 19th but that's as far as logical in my opinion The fly in the ointment being the Chile experience I think They were well advanced in vaccination and opened up Cases and hospitalisations exploded Its a risky decision either way
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