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El_Duderino 09

OSI wrote: »

They were part of the discussions for the hybrid design weren't they?

Porsche certainly were.

The whole thing confuses me as both Audi and Porsche are part of the Volkswagen Group. But the both took part in FE as separate teams. I suppose they are marketed to different markets.

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Are the people who go to the meetings also the people who decide whether to go to the meetings? Nice jaunt down the Autobahn on company money, slight conflict of interest. :pac:

ELM327

They are also leaving FE at the end of the year too.

El_Duderino 09

Interesting report that audi and Porsche might be joining the engine manufacturers meeting in Saturday to discuss the 2025 engine rules.

F1i.com: Porsche and Audi to join F1 engine meeting at Red Bull Ring.
https://f1i.com/news/410492-porsche-and-audi-to-join-f1-engine-meeting-at-red-bull-ring.html

TheQ_Man

AMKC wrote: »

Lol I did see that caption on Facebook but did not see your man been tossed out the window lol.

There’s 2 or 3 versions of that going around. The part where Bottas is sent out the window is a new one. Hilarious though :pac:

AMKC

Lol I did see that caption on Facebook but did not see your man been tossed out the window lol.

TheQ_Man

AMKC

flazio wrote: »

Just catching up on C4 highlights, interesting to see in the background of Norris getting interviewed Toto Wolff and Carlos Sainz Jr having quite an in depth conversation with a Netflix boom over them.

Good spot. I will have to check that out again.

flazio

Just catching up on C4 highlights, interesting to see in the background of Norris getting interviewed Toto Wolff and Carlos Sainz Jr having quite an in depth conversation with a Netflix boom over them.

barryribs

vectra wrote: »

I thought he got paid not to drive for a couple of years to make a seat available for Alonso?
Wasn't there a mention of 20 or 25 million?

This is how I remember it, Alonso became available early and Ferrari paid Kimi something like 10 million if he had a seat or 20 if he didn't. McLaren lowballed him and he earned more by not driving than if he had the McLaren seat + the ferrari payment.

vectra

titan18 wrote: »

He turned down drives in lesser cars that year (Toyota I think were one) so could have had a drive if he wanted to/willing to accept lesser salary.

I thought he got paid not to drive for a couple of years to make a seat available for Alonso?
Wasn't there a mention of 20 or 25 million?

titan18

eviltimeban wrote: »

Kimi didn't "retire" though, did he? He just took a few years out as he didn't have a drive.

He turned down drives in lesser cars that year (Toyota I think were one) so could have had a drive if he wanted to/willing to accept lesser salary.

Mirafiori

TheQ_Man wrote: »

Lauda and Mansell

Prost had a season out before his 1993 WDC too.

eviltimeban

Kimi didn't "retire" though, did he? He just took a few years out as he didn't have a drive.

I think Alonso is doing pretty well in an ok car. He's been in the top 10 the last few races and I reckon he'll keep bringing it home in points scoring positions for many more races. Obviously he's not going to win a race this year, he might pick up a podium in a race of attrition. But he said himself he's there for the 2022 cars - he needed this year to get back into it and up to speed again, which he's doing.

Will he win another WDC? That depends on what the 2022 regs do to the field, and how Alpine respond to them. They could be a third-best team, after Merc and Red Bull, but with Honda pulling out, it does beg the questions as to what RB will be able to do next year. Max is a monster though, so not sure how Alonso would fare in a head to head with Max.

Merc should remain strong but if Lewis leaves and Russell comes in, that's another unknown quantity.

vectra

tanko wrote: »

Has any driver left F1, returned and done much?

Kimi as mentioned above, he came back and literally bankrupt Lotus :pac:

TheQ_Man

mickdw wrote: »

Kimi has had a longer second f1 career than most have had whole f1 career and has won races.

Second career is longer than the first as well.

01-09 & 12-21 (and beyond?)

mickdw

tanko wrote: »

Has any driver left F1, returned and done much?

Kimi has had a longer second f1 career than most have had whole f1 career and has won races.

Andrew76

quokula wrote: »

One disappointment for me this year so far is the total anonymity of Alonso. Obviously there is only so much you can do with the car and he does seem to be asserting himself over Ocon now, but when he was in the thick of the action in that DRS train today he just seemed quite passive. He’s driven his fair share of poor cars in the past but he’d always be visibly wringing the neck of the car and ducking and diving for opportunistic moves or constantly on the radio finding ways to go aggressive on strategy. I don’t feel we’re really seeing that this season so far.

I get the impression he has his sights more set on next year, he knows he has zero chance to win anything this year so is just happy to be back on the grid.

He’s past his prime anyway but if he was in a car with a fighting chance of another title then we’d see more fight out of him.

TheQ_Man

tanko wrote: »

Has any driver left F1, returned and done much?

Lauda and Mansell

tanko

quokula wrote: »

One disappointment for me this year so far is the total anonymity of Alonso. Obviously there is only so much you can do with the car and he does seem to be asserting himself over Ocon now, but when he was in the thick of the action in that DRS train today he just seemed quite passive. He’s driven his fair share of poor cars in the past but he’d always be visibly wringing the neck of the car and ducking and diving for opportunistic moves or constantly on the radio finding ways to go aggressive on strategy. I don’t feel we’re really seeing that this season so far.

Has any driver left F1, returned and done much?

quokula

One disappointment for me this year so far is the total anonymity of Alonso. Obviously there is only so much you can do with the car and he does seem to be asserting himself over Ocon now, but when he was in the thick of the action in that DRS train today he just seemed quite passive. He’s driven his fair share of poor cars in the past but he’d always be visibly wringing the neck of the car and ducking and diving for opportunistic moves or constantly on the radio finding ways to go aggressive on strategy. I don’t feel we’re really seeing that this season so far.

quokula

Charlie-Bravo wrote: »

Yeah, the radio comms between Hamilton and Bono are a little to showcase that speed difference in the straights. It's all a part of the F1 game!

Yep even though it’s really obvious when you look at the Red Bull that they’re running skinnier wings to get a straight line speed boost.

You also had Hamilton in the post race interviews making baseless claims about Red Bull spending more too, again sewing the seed that they might be breaking spending cap rules.

It’s all a bit rich when it’s the first time in the hybrid era that Mercedes haven’t had a big straight line speed advantage on everyone, and probably the first time they haven’t been able to outspend everyone too thanks to the budget cap.

elperello

Hijpo wrote: »

What are the chances that Merc use their customer team to voice an opinion or lodge a complaint?

Has that happened before?

C Horner said on Ch 4 yesterday that the complaints came from users of the same engine.

Charlie-Bravo

Yeah, the radio comms between Hamilton and Bono are a little to showcase that speed difference in the straights. It's all a part of the F1 game!

Dont be at yourself

Now Merc are constantly pointing out the time lost on the straights since Red Bull swapped in the new engines, hinting at an illegal mid-season performance upgrade.

quokula

Hijpo wrote: »

What are the chances that Merc use their customer team to voice an opinion or lodge a complaint?

Has that happened before?

Toto all but admitted it (using weasel words about making a technical enquiry)

Everyone from Red Bull to Ferrari to Alfa Romeo to Alpine have criticised the sudden change out of the blue, it’s only Merc and their customers who are supporting the decision.

Hijpo

vectra wrote: »

Didn't Toto say they enquired something about it weeks ago?

What are the chances that Merc use their customer team to voice an opinion or lodge a complaint?

Has that happened before?

vectra

AMKC wrote: »

By the way it was not Mercedes but McLaren who complained about Red Bulls pit stops and that is why the pit stops are being changed because of McLaren.

Didn't Toto say they enquired something about it weeks ago?

AMKC

By the way it was not Mercedes but McLaren who complained about Red Bulls pit stops and that is why the pit stops are being changed because of McLaren.