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Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

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Delighted to see him get himself sorted after his storming finish to the season (as well as earlier in the season with his performances in the Ras)

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Seth Brundle

CramCycle wrote: »

Just in case anyone forgets, don't post who did or did not win todays stage in here, there is a stage thread, and saying someone did not win is still a spoiler. Although I wouldn't think it much of one, we will find out in 13km if I have to eat my hat.

ok so I am not to say that Sam did not win it?

CramCycle

Just in case anyone forgets, don't post who did or did not win todays stage in here, there is a stage thread, and saying someone did not win is still a spoiler. Although I wouldn't think it much of one, we will find out in 13km if I have to eat my hat.

breezy1985

sham58107 wrote: »

Guys do you think Sam or ( his agent ) made a mistake, if Cav wins today/tomorrow will Bennett status not drop ?

As already mentioned here, this time last year he had it all , now another row with another team.

Jesus listen to Wiggins talk Cav up ffs.

Given the way Lefevre is acting Sam should have started the Tour and just parked up the bike halfway through stage 1. A proper F U

I don't think Lefevre is 100% wrong about it being a mental issue but it's no excuse for the horrible way he has acted

sham58107

Guys do you think Sam or ( his agent ) made a mistake, if Cav wins today/tomorrow will Bennett status not drop ?

As already mentioned here, this time last year he had it all , now another row with another team.

Jesus listen to Wiggins talk Cav up ffs.

happytramp

De Bhál wrote: »

jaysus he's some headwreck...over here he'd be done for workplace bullying

To be honest I saw some sort of Lefevere inspired sh1*show coming as soon as he announced Sam was leaving.... Even the way it was announced raised alarm bells.

godtabh

thebouldwhacker wrote: »

He asked for a raise.

From the latest out burst he has got it at Bora

godtabh

cant see him cycling any big races for the rest of the year

Darkglasses

Deleted User wrote: »

In no way am I making accusations here but there are good/bad reasons why teams don't like you seeing 3rd party doctors. I'm not sure Sam was smart there.

Agreed, but just to note Brian Smith said on today's stage that the physio is known to the team

De Bhál

Mefistofelino wrote: »

And here we go..
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefevere-threatens-to-bench-sam-bennett-from-races-and-dock-his-pay-unless-he-behaves/

jaysus he's some headwreck...over here he'd be done for workplace bullying

Mefistofelino

Mefistofelino wrote: »

I think Lefevre is going to use this as a justification to give Sam minimal racing for the rest of the season - particularly if Cav doesn't embarrass himself at the Tour

And here we go..
https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefevere-threatens-to-bench-sam-bennett-from-races-and-dock-his-pay-unless-he-behaves/

thebouldwhacker

He asked for a raise.

swarlb

Ye wonder where it all went wrong. last year Sam was on a high, saying that QuickStep was his 'dream team' as Tom Boonen had been one of his heros.
Last year he went to the Tour hoping for a few stages and ended up in green, and the whole thing with the green bike at the final stage. He seemed to be one of the darlings of the team, and even this year started off on a high.
Where and why did it all seem to fall apart....?

Seth Brundle

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In no way am I making accusations here but there are good/bad reasons why teams don't like you seeing 3rd party doctors. I'm not sure Sam was smart there.

Whilst I agree, you are only hearing one version of events and an angry one at that. I wouldn't assume that what Lefevre is saying is fully accurate.

deise08

Mefistofelino wrote: »

I think Lefevre is going to use this as a justification to give Sam minimal racing for the rest of the season - particularly if Cav doesn't embarrass himself at the Tour

Minimal payment also.

[Deleted User]

In no way am I making accusations here but there are good/bad reasons why teams don't like you seeing 3rd party doctors. I'm not sure Sam was smart there.

Mefistofelino

RobFowl wrote: »

I'm offering a professional opinion here.
When a patient tells you they have pain you accept that at face value.
A doctor may not find any physical signs and scans may be clear but the pain may still be there and real.
I'm angry about these comments from qs and think they are very unprofessional at best.

I think Lefevre is going to use this as a justification to give Sam minimal racing for the rest of the season - particularly if Cav doesn't embarrass himself at the Tour

RobFowl

I'm offering a professional opinion here.
When a patient tells you they have pain you accept that at face value.
A doctor may not find any physical signs and scans may be clear but the pain may still be there and real.
I'm angry about these comments from qs and think they are very unprofessional at best.

Raoul Duke

Mefistofelino wrote: »

Look up the past history of Yvan Vanmol. Sam is better off away from him.

But did he pull out of the Tour without seeing the team's doctor? If so, he's taken a big chance on not getting sued.

DonegalBay

CramCycle wrote: »

This and he is protecting himself, his plan A is gone, his plan B which would have been any of his lead out men seems untenable possibly due to pressure from sponsors or something. So he is now riding a lead sprinter who realistically is going to place but not high up, and if his lead out men are in form, are likely to accidentally beat their sprinter across the line unless they go really early.

I hate the fact that Cavendish is even at the Tour, but I think people are underestimating him a bit. He did win the final stage in Belgium against Ewan, Merlier etc so I think with the QS lead out, he can win a stage at least. Hope I am wrong, but the ways things have gone, it just seems like destiny.

Mefistofelino

deise08 wrote: »

Taken from La Flamme Rouge twitter.

Lefevere about S. Bennett on today's Nieuwsblad: "Sam Bennett finally arrived in Belgium this week. Doctor Van Roy examined him at Herentals hospital. It was found that he had nothing or almost nothing on his knee"

Lefevere: "This reinforces my idea that I have already stated: it's more about the fear of failure than an inflammation of the patellar tendon"

Lefevere: "We opened an internal investigation, Sam committed malpractice. He didn’t listen to Yvan Vanmol. Bennett preferred to consult a guru in Monaco, the physiotherapist of Froome"

Lefevere: "We will not let this go. In the contracts of our riders, it is stipulated that they cannot work with doctors outside the team without the approval of our doctors"

Link to article not in English.

https://t.co/Lgal6f7sMb?amp=1

Look up the past history of Yvan Vanmol. Sam is better off away from him.

[Deleted User]

Sean Kelly gave an account of what caused the injury in comms today. Apparently he slipped a chain/gear in sprint training and whacked his knee off the drops. I imagine similar to how Pinot injured himself late into the 2019 tour I think it was.

deise08

Taken from La Flamme Rouge twitter.

Lefevere about S. Bennett on today's Nieuwsblad: "Sam Bennett finally arrived in Belgium this week. Doctor Van Roy examined him at Herentals hospital. It was found that he had nothing or almost nothing on his knee"

Lefevere: "This reinforces my idea that I have already stated: it's more about the fear of failure than an inflammation of the patellar tendon"

Lefevere: "We opened an internal investigation, Sam committed malpractice. He didn’t listen to Yvan Vanmol. Bennett preferred to consult a guru in Monaco, the physiotherapist of Froome"

Lefevere: "We will not let this go. In the contracts of our riders, it is stipulated that they cannot work with doctors outside the team without the approval of our doctors"

Link to article not in English.

https://t.co/Lgal6f7sMb?amp=1

[Deleted User]

You'd love to see Morkov do it wouldn't you? Not just because he's been great for Sam but because he has the legs to do it. I think he missed out recently possibly leading out Cav I think because he sat up on instinct or was looking for him and ended up 2nd or 3rd where as if he'd kept the hammer down he'd have easily won.

CramCycle

Deleted User wrote: »

I see both Sean Kelly and Chris Horner think Patrick is a tool and just having a dig because Sam is leaving the team.

This and he is protecting himself, his plan A is gone, his plan B which would have been any of his lead out men seems untenable possibly due to pressure from sponsors or something. So he is now riding a lead sprinter who realistically is going to place but not high up, and if his lead out men are in form, are likely to accidentally beat their sprinter across the line unless they go really early.

[Deleted User]

I see both Sean Kelly and Chris Horner think Patrick is a tool and just having a dig because Sam is leaving the team.

wpd

MPFGLB wrote: »

I dont think you even read what I wrote

from your rude comment its easy to see you didnt read what i wrote

happytramp

MPFGLB wrote: »

I dont think you even read what I wrote

Well, to be fair, it's possible that they did and just don't agree with you.

MPFGLB

wpd wrote: »

If I was his employer paying a big salary I would feel very different, the chance that he could come good after a week and win some stages would be the employers focus

I dont think you even read what I wrote

wpd

PatM65 wrote: »

Whereas Sam's focus would be "I might have to climb off less than a week into this race and have done long term damage to my knee! "

Yes would seem to be the case and given his knee injury history would seem to be the sensible decision

I wonder if he had not been changing teams would the pressure have forced him to ride?

PatM65

wpd wrote: »

If I was his employer paying a big salary I would feel very different, the chance that he could come good after a week and win some stages would be the employers focus

Whereas Sam's focus would be "I might have to climb off less than a week into this race and have done long term damage to my knee! "