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Anyone know what channel it's on? The jim sheridan documentary about sophie toscan du plantier

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gmisk

False Prophet wrote: »

Just watched sky doc without knowing anything about the case before and based on lack of evidence i dont see IB doing it, in fact that he gave his dna so willing is another reason I dont think its him.

Would have preferred if more time was spent on facts or probabilities. Overview picture of IB House to victim and to the bridge. Some expert to give probability of what happened based on facts or again overview picture of evidence.

A better timeline of IB Events and could he realistically have done it in the time without his girlfriend knowing. Did he often get up in the early morning to go writing or was it a once off.
And surely there has to be other suspects, was heating fixed( more to show that her reason to be in ireland was really that), did she have friends that she would have confined in about affairs, could it have been a kidnapping that went wrong, did she have life insurance, if getting a divorce how much would she have got. Pure speculation on my part but doc should explore those threads and then show evidence against.

Blood on the door is odd to me, if it's a local they know about neighbours. So they kill the girl in a rage , then go back to the house to clean up/hide evidence but leave her body and the murder weapons (unless wearing gloves).
Blood on gate was outside or inside? Was she trying to get in or out. Gate open means a car was there.
Dont know why she would be down at gate anyway without a coat. Either running from danger but again wouldnt running to neighbours be shorter.

Just one point I think the blood on the door was hers?

flanna01

Anybody with more than one brain cell knows that IB did not murder that French girl..... To think otherwise is a reflection on your rather limited IQ.

Not one blood splatter found on him, not one hair at the scene, no DNA....... Carefully planned murders leave something behind them.

The Gards were an absolute disgrace to the uniform, they didn't even want to see beyond Bailey...

So Bailey and the Mrs were in the boozer all night, I think its fair to say that Bailey is not far off being a screaming alcoholic, his quest for drink is what drives him..... I also think that he is media whore that loves the media attention, and is a fantasist as well..

To even consider that Bailey attempted to walk to the victims residence from his home after a night of boozing, is frankly amusing.

Lets have a look at the cold facts..

SDP had engaged in an affair which had ended abruptly. Is it possible that a scorned lover driven by revenge couldnt have murdered her???? Would he not have known were she lived, would she not have walked to the gate to let him in / meet him?

What bout the Husband...?? Felt betrayed by his straying wife, humiliated that he paid for a love shack for his adulteress wife and her bit of fluff??? He had the money and the means to organise a hit on her... Why did he refuse to come to Ireland when the family learnt of her murder?

But I guess it's easier to point the finger at an inept, drink soaked reported with delusions of grandeur.

In my opinion, the only questionable evidence regarding IB and the murder of SDP is the scratches on his hands... His claims of killing turkeys and chopping down tree's kinda make sense.. Turkeys flap around when grabbed by the legs, I doubt Bailey was all that sober when he took the job on, the same can be said for the Christmas tree...

Ian Bailey is a drunk, it really is that simple. He had no reason to go on a midnight jaunt to murder a lady unknown to him, why would he??

Slapping our partner around is deplorable, there is no excuse for it, and in my opinion should be actioned with a prison sentence...

But... Couples argue everyday, the vast majority of us can resolve our differences with dialog. But a share of degenerate men use their fists too. Even with the fraction of degenerate scum who use violence against women... Very few raise the bar to actually committing murder, that's one massive step.

Also, it would appear that SDP knew her murderer.. Did she open the gate for an expected visitor? What was she doing down by the gate in night clothes?

I feel sorry for IB.. He drawn a lot of attention on himself with his craving to remain in the media spotlight. He is not a murderer.

To think he scrambled over to SDP house on foot after a night of heavy drinking is bizarre to say the least, too then viciously murder a complete stranger in a brutal fashion for no known reason is nonsensical. And then, according to the Gards, hopped back into bed again and awoke the following day to recite poems by the sea as if nothing had happened.

IB did not murder SDP - Instead of condemning him, pity him for having his life completely destroyed for the last 25yrs. Would you not turn to drink, drugs to escape the hell on earth he is in???

Addle

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/sophie-killergardai-probe-new-testimony-40584779.html
I can’t read it all, but ffs.

[Deleted User]

Xander10 wrote: »

It wasn't his home.

Where does he live now btw?

If he lived there for decades I think it's fair to say it was his home. What else would you call it?

He hasn't found a new place yet as far as I know.

mycro2013

From watching the series JS attitude changes towards bailey. In the final episodes he seems to be tiring of IB's scripted responses and rants and at stages is dismissive of bailey's narratives.

MoonUnit75

retro:electro wrote: »

Sorry but Ian going nuts that the guards never wished him a happy birthday is a hoot

Likewise, one account of his defamation case describes how he was calm and collected, even cracking a few jokes, all through his testimony while being questioned on beating his partner up so badly she had to be hospitalised. But when some local said he only knew him for bad poetry and terrible bodhran playing, or words to that effect, it was the only time he really flared up.

False Prophet

Just watched sky doc without knowing anything about the case before and based on lack of evidence i dont see IB doing it, in fact that he gave his dna so willing is another reason I dont think its him.

Would have preferred if more time was spent on facts or probabilities. Overview picture of IB House to victim and to the bridge. Some expert to give probability of what happened based on facts or again overview picture of evidence.

A better timeline of IB Events and could he realistically have done it in the time without his girlfriend knowing. Did he often get up in the early morning to go writing or was it a once off.
And surely there has to be other suspects, was heating fixed( more to show that her reason to be in ireland was really that), did she have friends that she would have confined in about affairs, could it have been a kidnapping that went wrong, did she have life insurance, if getting a divorce how much would she have got. Pure speculation on my part but doc should explore those threads and then show evidence against.

Blood on the door is odd to me, if it's a local they know about neighbours. So they kill the girl in a rage , then go back to the house to clean up/hide evidence but leave her body and the murder weapons (unless wearing gloves).
Blood on gate was outside or inside? Was she trying to get in or out. Gate open means a car was there.
Dont know why she would be down at gate anyway without a coat. Either running from danger but again wouldnt running to neighbours be shorter.

StupidLikeAFox

Xander10 wrote: »

It wasn't his home.

Where does he live now btw?

Or how does he live? Owes 7m from the civil action alone, not to mention the libel action he lost and the other legal stuff he has gone through. Im guessing anything he gets for participating in the docs, or any other meaningful work he coukd pick up, is never going to make a dent in that. Is there just an unwritten rule that these lawyers and barristers know that aren't going to get paid and it's just let slide?

Loafing Oaf

monkeybutter wrote: »

Or an innocent one whose life had been ruined

But who sadly never had the chops to be

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retro:electro

Sorry but Ian going nuts that the guards never wished him a happy birthday is a hoot

Yurt2

Xander10 wrote: »

It wasn't his home.

Where does he live now btw?

He would likely be able to assert some some legal rights after cohabiting for so long. Not sure if he wants to play that game with Thomas though and she is likely of limited means herself.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If he hasn't done it the past 20 years no reason he will do it now. Having said that he has lost his home but through the new documentaries has also gained worldwide fame. Men on death row attract a certain type of women so mister Bailey might be allright. Although from the interviews I've heard from him lately he does not seem interested in playing the game any more.
I wish him well, I don't believe he killed that poor woman.

It wasn't his home.

Where does he live now btw?

[Deleted User]

fryup wrote: »

i wouldn't be surprised to wake some morning to the news that's he's topped himself, he looks like he's at the end of his tether

If he hasn't done it the past 20 years no reason he will do it now. Having said that he has lost his home but through the new documentaries has also gained worldwide fame. Men on death row attract a certain type of women so mister Bailey might be allright. Although from the interviews I've heard from him lately he does not seem interested in playing the game any more.
I wish him well, I don't believe he killed that poor woman.

fryup

i wouldn't be surprised to wake some morning to the news that's he's topped himself, he looks like he's at the end of his tether

monkeybutter

afkasurfjunkie wrote: »

I’d still have my doubts that it was IB and the sky doc hasn’t lessened them. I’m thinking JS may not be the best on camera for a documentary however he knows what he is doing behind the camera and I think some parts of it show us some glimpses of the real IB. Especially in the last episode.
For example there’s a clip where the chickens get into his shed while the camera is focused on Jules gardening. IB is shouting for her to come and get them. She literally drops all and rushes to him. I found it quite unsettling. It was like she didn’t want him to get any angrier. He had quite the temper on him. Can you imagine what he was like when he put her in hospital?
Also, I noticed lots of shots where she would be pottering away in what looked like their kitchen. It looked bright, warm and cozy. She looked at ease there. It contrasted well with the garage where IB gave a lot of his interviews and sound bytes and stored his boxes of files. The garage looked messy, cluttered, dark and chaotic. I think it showed the growing discord between them as a couple which came across clearly in other scenes like where they were watching tv together.
Also what was the pliers scene about? That was freaky. The man is unhinged. Were we seeing this dark, twisted side to him that he tries to laugh off as his sense of humour?
JS says at one stage that IB is like an actor paying a part at times. I think he is a guilty man playing the part of an innocent man. It’s clearly taken it’s toll over the years.

Or an innocent one whose life had been ruined

monkeybutter

Must be some mistake there as he seemed to be recording it too

afkasurfjunkie

I’d still have my doubts that it was IB and the sky doc hasn’t lessened them. I’m thinking JS may not be the best on camera for a documentary however he knows what he is doing behind the camera and I think some parts of it show us some glimpses of the real IB. Especially in the last episode.
For example there’s a clip where the chickens get into his shed while the camera is focused on Jules gardening. IB is shouting for her to come and get them. She literally drops all and rushes to him. I found it quite unsettling. It was like she didn’t want him to get any angrier. He had quite the temper on him. Can you imagine what he was like when he put her in hospital?
Also, I noticed lots of shots where she would be pottering away in what looked like their kitchen. It looked bright, warm and cozy. She looked at ease there. It contrasted well with the garage where IB gave a lot of his interviews and sound bytes and stored his boxes of files. The garage looked messy, cluttered, dark and chaotic. I think it showed the growing discord between them as a couple which came across clearly in other scenes like where they were watching tv together.
Also what was the pliers scene about? That was freaky. The man is unhinged. Were we seeing this dark, twisted side to him that he tries to laugh off as his sense of humour?
JS says at one stage that IB is like an actor paying a part at times. I think he is a guilty man playing the part of an innocent man. It’s clearly taken it’s toll over the years.

[Deleted User]

nc6000 wrote: »

So she did see him out there but also saw some other guy across from her shop when Sophie was in there?

Is he admitting that "I know it was you who saw me at Kealfadda bridge but I did not murder her"or is it MF spoofing? Is it actually on tape? I have never heard him admit being at Kealfadda bridge before

nc6000

Xander10 wrote: »

Key bits:

He said, "I know it was you who saw me at Kealfadda bridge but I did not murder her ....."

So she did see him out there but also saw some other guy across from her shop when Sophie was in there?

CoBo55

RurtBeynolds wrote: »

Haven't read the thread, how are people rating this?

Quite poor compared to the podcast. Bailey was a lot more coherent in the podcast, a lot more sinister too. If he doesn't get a grip on the alcohol he won't be long for this world.

monkeybutter

Xander10 wrote: »

Key bits:

He said, "I know it was you who saw me at Kealfadda bridge but I did not murder her ....."

"There is just one thing I need you to do for me, if you do this I will never ask you to do anything else. Just go on tape and say the detectives made you make a false statement about me". She replied, according to Marie Farrell's statement, "Ian would you **** off".

I know presumably recorded on tape right

It doesn't make any sense as her statement would no longer be false

[Deleted User]

monkeybutter wrote: »

https://magill.ie/archive/falsely-fingering-sophies-killer

Interesting timeline on what she actually said and when

Sounds less mental than the coverage after would make it out

Key bits:

He said, "I know it was you who saw me at Kealfadda bridge but I did not murder her ....."

"There is just one thing I need you to do for me, if you do this I will never ask you to do anything else. Just go on tape and say the detectives made you make a false statement about me". She replied, according to Marie Farrell's statement, "Ian would you **** off".

Mackwiss

monkeybutter wrote: »

https://magill.ie/archive/falsely-fingering-sophies-killer

Interesting timeline on what she actually said and when

Sounds less mental than the coverage after would make it out

Interesting but not surprising the tabloid media made the whole plot of this story themselves. And of course it serves only the Gardai and the killer this was done.

A clear timeline shows a number of things. But make no mistake, IB was also a part of the media frenzy until him, himself became part of the plot of the media frenzy...

Honest to god... could the real killer just grow a pair of balls and confess... could any Gardai involved in the crap grow a pair too and come forward and admit what they did?

monkeybutter

What would the defense get access to say if it had gone to trial?

Could they hide the original statements etc as they would compromise the one identifying him

odyssey06

monkeybutter wrote: »

https://magill.ie/archive/falsely-fingering-sophies-killer

Interesting timeline on what she actually said and when

Sounds less mental than the coverage after would make it out

Key takeaways...

Two days later, gardaí called on her again, this time with a video tape taken, we understand, on Christmas Day. They asked her to view the tape and see if she recognised the man she had seen on the Saturday afternoon and subsequently. She viewed the tape but recognised nobody. The tape, we understand, prominently featured Ian Bailey at a function a few days previously. The key issue is that Marie Farrell did not identify Ian Bailey as the person she had seen in Schull and later on the road.

monkeybutter

https://magill.ie/archive/falsely-fingering-sophies-killer

Interesting timeline on what she actually said and when

Sounds less mental than the coverage after would make it out

Addle

It must’ve been very unnerving to stay in the house when she knew someone had been using it in her absence.

MoonUnit75

chooseusername wrote: »

Chances are there were a few calls , some would be anonymous, some would
point to Bailey, changing her name and getting called on crimewatch had her hooked. (I can't remember her reason for doing that)
She was now important and got swept up in the media frenzy .
Then the gardai found her and realised she could be manipulated and so it started..

She kept saying she wasn't going in to make a statement though. As far as she knew, she gave them all the information anonymously until two gardai knocked on her door unexpectedly and brought her in. She wasn't named for years in the media as far as I remember. I can actually remember hearing on the news a long, long time later that the mystery witness had been identified.

chooseusername

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Maybe it developed that way, but her original disclosures were the most crucial and she gave these anonymously, the gardai only managed to track her down when she made the mistake of ringing from her home phone instead of the payphones she had been using.

Chances are there were a few calls , some would be anonymous, some would
point to Bailey, changing her name and getting called on crimewatch had her hooked. (I can't remember her reason for doing that)
She was now important and got swept up in the media frenzy .
Then the gardai found her and realised she could be manipulated and so it started..

[Deleted User]

Polly701 wrote: »

Sophie and her housekeeper (Josie?) suspected someone may have been using the house when she was away. Was this ever explored?

Perhaps this person turned up and there was an alteration?

I don't believe it was IB. The Guards in this case were really out of their depth.

Josephine Hellen.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/locks-were-changed-after-intruder-at-du-plantier-house-said-housekeeper-30242061.html