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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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bubblypop wrote: »

Are you actually comparing Muslims and Nazis or devil worshippers?
Really need to up your scenarios game there now Klaz!I

Now, that's rather pathetic. It's not a comparison, which is obvious.

Are you really incapable of not deflecting?

bubblypop wrote: »

Are you actually comparing Muslims and Nazis or devil worshippers?
Really need to up your scenarios game there now Klaz!I

Spot on bubblypop it's a real hyperbolic fear mongering post.
I mean he might as well just have described his imaginary 10k people as a horde.
Just out of nowhere 10k people all believing the same thing just descend on your neighbourhood and take over.

Haha classic fear mongering stuff.

The as you rightly point out to bring out more silly stuff like devil worshippers and Nazis to try and further scare us straight.

bubblypop wrote: »

Let's just be normal here, let's imagine the area turns into a majority Polish area, or Chinese area of Russian area.
Do I care? No.
On the very off chance that a lot of devil worshippers took over the area I was living in, it would depend on what exactly their devil worshipping entailed, if they robbed my dog for ritual sacrifice, then I wouldn't be impressed, but if it involved sitting around in fancy dress looking like Marilyn Manson and chanting rubbish, then no I wouldn't care.

Another deflection since you've (I assume) read my previous two posts to this one, so you know I'm referring to how a localised area becomes changed whereby the rules/taboos/customs of the group become enforced on others in the same area.

You don't care because you refuse to consider what's been happening. Just deflect it all away, and return to the comfort of selectively ignoring the changes happening in Europe.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Now, that's rather pathetic. It's not a comparison, which is obvious.

Are you really incapable of not deflecting?

And yet you are trying to make a comparison, are you not?
That's the point yeah? That the area changes so much by the influx of newcomers that things change?
But you see fit to use Nazi and devil worshippers to make that comparison. Which just proved what you think.

Why not use a comparison of Chinese people?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Another deflection since you've (I assume) read my previous two posts to this one, so you know I'm referring to how a localised area becomes changed whereby the rules/taboos/customs of the group become enforced on others in the same area.

You don't care because you refuse to consider what's been happening. Just deflect it all away, and return to the comfort of selectively ignoring the changes happening in Europe.

It is not deflection to not want to discuss your anti immigrant fear porn. It's not real it's your imagined story. Your making up the rules for your fake place with the horde coming and fear and sharia law.

What is the name of this place?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Now, that's rather pathetic. It's not a comparison, which is obvious.

Are you really incapable of not deflecting?

You love telling posters that they are 'deflecting' or 'moving the goalposts ' but none are, they are merely responding to exactly what you write.
It obviously was a comparison, that was the whole point of the post, was it not?

crooked cockney villain

https://www.independent.ie/life/the-world-in-one-city-five-photographers-capture-the-spirit-of-dublins-diverse-communities-40572479.html

The 27-year-old, the daughter of Libyan immigrants, was born and grew up in south Dublin, but it was her father Ibrahim’s story that sparked the idea for her commission.

“The main aim was to show that the Muslim community is part of Ireland and Irish history,” she says.

Her father's story is certainly interesting alright, although not for the fluffy reasons you would find in your usual Sorcha Pollak brainfarts.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ibrahim+buisir&hl=en&biw=1242&bih=597&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiXptPF8rTxAhUSgVwKHSn3AHUQ_AUoAHoECAcQAg

bubblypop wrote: »

And yet you are trying to make a comparison, are you not?
That's the point yeah? That the area changes so much by the influx of newcomers that things change?
But you see fit to use Nazi and devil worshippers to make that comparison. Which just proved what you think.

Why not use a comparison of Chinese people?

Because Chinese people don't enforce their own rules and taboos over the local area as their population increases.

Look. Fine. I can't be bothered trying to chase you, when the points being made are so obvious. This is the reason I usually have you on ignore. You refuse to deal with simple points when it doesn't suit, instead, deflecting away from them.

bubblypop wrote: »

You love telling posters that they are 'deflecting' or 'moving the goalposts ' but none are, they are merely responding to exactly what you write.
It obviously was a comparison, that was the whole point of the post, was it not?

Did you answer the question, or use the scenarios I described? Nope. You deflected.

Ok. I'm done. No more chasing you.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

It is not deflection to not want to discuss your anti immigrant fear porn. It's not real it's your imagined story. Your making up the rules for your fake place with the horde coming and fear and sharia law.

What is the name of this place?

Sevran, France is one. I wonder what the deflection will be for this one.

https://youtu.be/6gZFGpNdH1A

There is being capable of bad things and then actively planning and carrying out atrocities....murders, simply because people have a different ethnicity, value and belief system to yours.

I’m capable of bad things, I literally have the resources under my roof here to kill and maim scores of people before I’d be stopped, pretty much we all do....

But... I’m not going to go to Blanchardstown Center, with a large blade and attack people, why ? because it doesn’t bother so much that some people have....

- differing political outlooks

- differing social views

- a belief in a certain religion that isn’t my own

I don’t care. Live and let live... if I don’t think that a country and society is compatible with the facilitation of my religious beliefs and world view ? I just won’t go there, to live or for any reason !

If a person is motivated to terrorize and kill people, you need to presume they had that plan before arriving....

They’ll have been given sanctuary, money, safety, housing, help, healthcare by the people, but they still want to kill and terrorize these people.... the very people that pay into the pot and go without to help them.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because Chinese people don't enforce their own rules and taboos over the local area as their population increases.

Look. Fine. I can't be bothered trying to chase you, when the points being made are so obvious. This is the reason I usually have you on ignore. You refuse to deal with simple points when it doesn't suit, instead, deflecting away from them.

Noone is deflecting.
You made a scenario for comparison where you showed what your inner bias really thinks about Muslims.
You are now deflecting, you could have used Chinese people just the same as you used devil worshippers because it was a fictional scenario.

Fandymo wrote: »

Sevran, France is one. I wonder what the deflection will be for this one.

https://youtu.be/6gZFGpNdH1A

Is that in leinster munster ulster or connaught?
Is this more extremist induction material from youtube?
I'm not watching your conspiracy videos.
Any reputable news sources?

bubblypop wrote: »

Noone is deflecting.
You made a scenario for comparison where you showed what your inner bias really thinks about Muslims.
You are now deflecting, you could have used Chinese people just the same as you used devil worshippers because it was a fictional scenario.

He created a horror scenario so he could show how bad the devil worshipping worse than nazis immigrants could be and then he described them taking over.
Then he tried to push the narrative that his fiction is reality.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Is that in leinster munster ulster or connaught?
Is this more extremist induction material from youtube?
I'm not watching your conspiracy videos.
Any reputable news sources?

Eh... you do realise that the video in question is a news report from France 24, a mainstream state owned TV station? A "reputable news source" as you put it. It's not some conspiracy video on Dailymotion made by some bloke in a shed. No doubt you'll find some other "reasons" now not to watch it. Well the questions it raises beget more difficult questions you don't want to hear, or have no answers for. Deflection in 3... 2... 1...

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh... you do realise that the video in question is a news report from France 24, a mainstream state owned TV station? A "reputable news source" as you put it. It's not some conspiracy video on Dailymotion made by some bloke in a shed. No doubt you'll find some other "reasons" now not to watch it. Well the questions it raises beget more difficult questions you don't want to hear, or have no answers for. Deflection in 3... 2... 1...

So you have watched it great. What are the key points for multiculturalism in Ireland to take away from the video?

Discussing Multiculturalism in Ireland. But no don't look here look at my fake scenario about the devil worshipping horde descending on glenroe or some other invented Irish Town.

Discussing Multiculturalism in Ireland look at this French town. But no need to mention the completly different scenarios in sevran and in Ireland today.
Then lob on the good ole deflection claim hand grenade.

Over 80%of the population of sevran is born in France so not really the same as Irelands new immigrants is it.

Deflection deflection deflection ahem has anyone mentioned deflection yet. Cough deflection.

... and we have lift off. We are discussing multiculturalism and how this may affect Ireland. As you point out we do not have the generational non native populations yet, but everywhere in Europe that does, sees similar problems with integration, unemployment, social problems and crime that gets worse over time, not better. Every. Single. One. I've asked this before and not one has given an answer that backs up their multiculturalist position. Please point to an example of a "multicultural" European nation where those of darker skin are not more likely to be poorer, less educated and more on the fringes of their society than the native population. Just one example will do. I'll save you the effort, there isn't one.

Wibbs wrote: »

... and we have lift off. We are discussing multiculturalism and how this may affect Ireland. As you point out we do not have the generational non native populations yet, but everywhere in Europe that does, sees similar problems with integration, unemployment, social problems and crime that gets worse over time, not better. Every. Single. One. I've asked this before and not one has given an answer that backs up their multiculturalist position. Please point to an example of a "multicultural" European nation where those of darker skin are not more likely to be poorer, less educated and more on the fringes of their society than the native population. Just one example will do. I'll save you the effort, there isn't one.

No way I'm shocked wibbs. You should report your findings to immigrant Ireland.
I can't believe no one ever noticed before that migrants looking for a better life are poorer on average than the citizens of the country they migrate to.
That is truly shocking. Migrants are poor who would have guessed it.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

No way I'm shocked wibbs. You should report your findings to immigrant Ireland.

If I were to report my findings to the plethora of Irish NGO's sucking from this particular teat I'd wear the letters off my keyboard.

I can't believe no one ever noticed before that migrants looking for a better life are poorer on average than the citizens of the country they migrate to.
That is truly shocking. Migrants are poor who would have guessed it.

Man, you should take up dodgeball.

As you point out we do not have the generational non native populations yet, but everywhere in Europe that does, sees similar problems with integration, unemployment, social problems and crime that gets worse over time, not better

It's rare enough the first generation are the problem, it's the following generations that bear the brunt of the negatives of this social experiment. Though even in Ireland with it's multiculturalism not even a generation old, we already see the exact same patterns emerging. As a percentage of population who is more likely to be in need and receipt of social assistance in Ireland today; an Asian, an African, or a European? If and when this latest idiocy around the replacement of the already idiotic DP screwup by streamlining migrants into taxpayer funded housing and other social services, who will be more likely to be in need of them?

That's before the why should any nation look to bring in large numbers of people in need of charity by the hosts? Then again charity for its own sake is one of the excuses/reasons along with exoticism for its own sake that is put forward my the supporters of multiculturalism.

Seems to me that the results of multiculturalism can be seen in gang/ghetto formation and the terror attacks that keep happening in Europe, while the results of monocultural multiethnicity can be seen when, as was the case in Germany yesterday, an obviously multi-ethnic group of citizens work together against a threat to their shared Western culture.

Wibbs wrote: »

It's rare enough the first generation are the problem, it's the following generations that bear the brunt of the negatives of this social experiment. Though even in Ireland with it's multiculturalism not even a generation old, we already see the exact same patterns emerging.

Gas.
There was a second generation immigrant to this country posting here not too long ago. Everyone praised him and agreed that second generation immigrants are not a problem!

bubblypop wrote: »

Gas.
There was a second generation immigrant to this country posting here not too long ago. Everyone praised him and agreed that second generation immigrants are not a problem!

Don't call out posters on things they said bubblypop, you know the go to answer for any questions like this is to accuse you of deflection.

bubblypop wrote: »

Gas.
There was a second generation immigrant to this country posting here not too long ago. Everyone praised him and agreed that second generation immigrants are not a problem!

"Everyone"...
You'll have a link to the second part of course?

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

"Everyone"...
You'll have a link to the second part of course?

You're right, my apologies, I shouldn't have said everyone, it was a lot, not everyone.

bubblypop wrote: »

You're right, my apologies, I shouldn't have said everyone, it was a lot, not everyone.

Would it have been the majority?
A significant number or only a few?

I'll wager it was a small few!

Wibbs wrote: »

If I were to report my findings to the plethora of Irish NGO's sucking from this particular teat I'd wear the letters off my keyboard.

Man, you should take up dodgeball.

As you point out we do not have the generational non native populations yet, but everywhere in Europe that does, sees similar problems with integration, unemployment, social problems and crime that gets worse over time, not better

It's rare enough the first generation are the problem, it's the following generations that bear the brunt of the negatives of this social experiment. Though even in Ireland with it's multiculturalism not even a generation old, we already see the exact same patterns emerging. As a percentage of population who is more likely to be in need and receipt of social assistance in Ireland today; an Asian, an African, or a European? If and when this latest idiocy around the replacement of the already idiotic DP screwup by streamlining migrants into taxpayer funded housing and other social services, who will be more likely to be in need of them?

That's before the why should any nation look to bring in large numbers of people in need of charity by the hosts? Then again charity for its own sake is one of the excuses/reasons along with exoticism for its own sake that is put forward my the supporters of multiculturalism.

Look at the type of language used hardly ready for a fair and balanced discussion.

sucking from this... teat.

This is commonly used language to demean people and liken them animals.

latest idiocy

Clearly open to discussion.

idiotic DP screwup

Again ready to discuss I see.

The you just reduce all immigrants to

exoticism.

Ok sure I'll await your next fair and balanced reply wibbs.

Probably accuse me of deflecting no doubt or maybe bring up how many infractions have been handed out to the sides you are assigning people on this thread too.

Happy Saturday buddy.

bubblypop wrote: »

You're right, my apologies, I shouldn't have said everyone, it was a lot, not everyone.

You have no proof the poster was genuine . I remember a poster on another forum sucked in a lot by pretending to be a female Syrian refugee studying nursing here until exposed as a male living in France .

rgossip30 wrote: »

You have no proof the poster was genuine . I remember a poster on another forum sucked in a lot by pretending to be a female Syrian refugee studying nursing here until exposed as a male living in France .

I have no idea if any poster is genuine about anything.
Neither do you.

Doesn't change the replies though.

bubblypop wrote: »

I have no idea if any poster is genuine about anything.
Neither do you.

Doesn't change the replies though.

You quoted him as being a second generation migrant to prove a point without knowing if he is genuine . This is only one person you base your assumption on .

rgossip30 wrote: »

You quoted him as being a second generation migrant to prove a point without knowing if he is genuine .

No I was making a point about the replies he got.