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I bet you didn't know that this thread would have a part 2

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A quick check on Wikipedia and it says that Michael Jackson did in fact do a CPR course and did incorporate the "Annie are you ok" into Smooth criminal because of that. Rather than post the wiki here is the site it references.

https://www.eonline.com/news/367450/new-michael-jackson-documentary-spike-lee-s-bad-25-is-a-funky-gem-you-can-watch-online

Capt'n Midnight

As you know three classified small satellites for the National Reconnaissance Office were fired into orbit from the Eastern Shore of Virginia last Tuesday, riding a Northrop Grumman Minotaur 1 booster with a surplus Minuteman missile.

But did you know that the first stage was made in 1966, likely the oldest rocket part ever used on a space launch ?

The SR19 second stage motor, produced by Aerojet, was filled with its solid propellant in 1983.

Capt'n Midnight

Human bodies are basically squishy sacks of goopy grease and water emulsions held together by hydrogen bonds and disulphide bridges between protein molecules and glommed onto some big lumps of high-grade chalk.

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For those who follow UK parliamentary matters, the Speaker of the House of Commons, Lindsay Hoyle is following in family footsteps. His ex-MP father Doug is still at Westminster, as a life peer in the House of Lords.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Hoyle

New Home

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Human bodies are basically squishy sacks of goopy grease and water emulsions held together by hydrogen bonds and disulphide bridges between protein molecules and glommed onto some big lumps of high-grade chalk.

Let me guess... Terry Pratchett? Or Douglas Adams?

mikhail

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Human bodies are basically squishy sacks of goopy grease and water emulsions held together by hydrogen bonds and disulphide bridges between protein molecules and glommed onto some big lumps of high-grade chalk.

New Home wrote: »

Let me guess... Terry Pratchett? Or Douglas Adams?

I've never heard it before, but it does sound a bit like Adams, like the quote below.

The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.

Capt'n Midnight

New Home wrote: »

Let me guess... Terry Pratchett? Or Douglas Adams?

Randomly from http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2015/12/science-fictional-shibboleths.html

It goes on to explain why there won't be any Helium-3 mines on the moon. Which reminds me I should look at the film Moon again.

retalivity

On the lesser known Canary island of La Gomera, residents still speak a whistled version of Spanish called Silbo Gomera, which was used to communicate with each other across deep valleys and ravines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfGwFM9-wFk

cdeb

Something similar in Greece as well (can't remember where exactly, but it was in the Joanna Lumley Greece travelogue)

New Home

I think they do that in a few parts of the world, across valleys. It would be interesting to know if different "languages" can still understand one another.

Evade

New Home wrote: »

I think they do that in a few parts of the world, across valleys. It would be interesting to know if different "languages" can still understand one another.

QI had a segment on the Spanish one a few years ago and from what I remember it's a substitution for whatever the spoken language is, a bit like sign language was originally, and once you knew what the phrase was in Spanish you could hear that in the whistles.

Badly Drunk Boy

Evade wrote: »

QI had a segment on the Spanish one a few years ago and from what I remember it's a substitution for whatever the spoken language is, a bit like sign language was originally, and once you knew what the phrase was in Spanish you could hear that in the whistles.

Is that a bit like in The Clangers?

There were two brothers who used to work with me who used to communicate with whistles and gestures in work, because they were both in the same noisy area. Nobody could really break the code. They weren't even too close age-wise, maybe 8 or 9 years between them, so it wouldn't have been a childhood thing.

Evade

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Is that a bit like in The Clangers?

It was the cadence and change in pitches that came across. All I remember about the sentence was there was a Diego and I can't find a clip of it.

jimgoose

New Home wrote: »

I think they do that in a few parts of the world, across valleys. It would be interesting to know if different "languages" can still understand one another.

For some reason I'm reminded of the NowWhatian Boghog.

New Home

jimgoose wrote: »

For some reason I'm reminded of the NowWhatian Boghog.

Whistling, not biting. :pac:

Now, for a while I was considering the babelfish theory, but that doesn't quite apply.

Sleepy

fvp4 wrote: »

A quick check on Wikipedia and it says that Michael Jackson did in fact do a CPR course and did incorporate the "Annie are you ok" into Smooth criminal because of that. Rather than post the wiki here is the site it references.

https://www.eonline.com/news/367450/new-michael-jackson-documentary-spike-lee-s-bad-25-is-a-funky-gem-you-can-watch-online

In the same vein: to keep proper time while performing chest compressions in CPR, work to the beat of the Bee Gees "Stayin' Alive".

Cordell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O92KL1mw77c
This covers everything: how, what, in what order.

Evade

Why don't they include breaths any more? Surely emergency service response times haven't gotten to below four minutes in every case.

cdeb

I think it's because studies have shown most breaths (by non-professionals anyway) are delivered ineffectively, so you're better off just doing compressions.

Evade

On the subject of CPR it's very easy to break someone's ribs doing it. I learned when I was 10 or 12 and even then could hit the you've broken a rib indicator on Ambu Andy.

Cordell

You should only care about giving CPR properly, broken ribs will heal, being dead won't

People targeted by this video don't have any training or experience, they won't be able to give breaths properly, so they should only concentrate on one thing. Chest compressions will also pump the lungs.

cdeb

I think if you haven't broken their ribs after a while, you've done it wrong.

You also can't defib someone in the back of a moving ambulance. (Or at least you couldn't when I was in the back of ambulances!) The vibrations mess up the defib's readings and can give a wrong recommendation. You should pull into one side to defib (or ideally just get to hospital as quickly as possible)

Cordell

There's a longer version where Vinnie says: worry you'll hurt him? Better a cracked rib than him kicking the bucket!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD2qTmDsiHk

Evade

Cordell wrote: »

Chest compressions will also pump the lungs.

Do you have a source on that? When googling earlier said it was circulating residual oxygen hence the four minute remark.

Cordell

No, not really. I did a training and the instructor said that and at the time it seemed plausible enough so no one asked...

cdeb

"The mechanism of chest compression is often explained by the lung pump theory, in which the heart works as a part of the larger pumping system with the lungs"

https://icm-experimental.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40635-019-0275-9

It seems logical though that compressing the lungs' space will in turn compress the lungs, albeit not as effectively as breathing obviously

New Home

Evade

cdeb wrote: »

"The mechanism of chest compression is often explained by the lung pump theory, in which the heart works as a part of the larger pumping system with the lungs"

https://icm-experimental.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s40635-019-0275-9

It seems logical though that compressing the lungs' space will in turn compress the lungs, albeit not as effectively as breathing obviously

I might be misreading that portion of the article, and its citations, but it seems to me isn't lung pump theory is about how chest compressions create blood flow and not really anything to do with getting oxygen into the blood.

But reading the part about rats reminded me of this scene in the Abyss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFFpMqs9kbI

On the set the rat is breathing the liquid, there's enough oxygen dissolved in it for it to survive.

cdeb

Chest compressions are mostly about circulation alright.

But - and I'm into the realm of making stuff up now with no links to help - chest compressions compress the chest, where the lungs are. In our bodies, the diaphragm compresses the lungs by rising, and because there's a vacuum inside you, that forces you to expel CO2. When the space in the lung area expands (by the diaphragm falling, or you lifting off the chest compression), you're forced to inhale. I could see compressions helping taking in a small bit of oxygen. Not much - certainly not as good as breathing, or oxygen therapy - but I guess every bit helps...

maudgonner

Most of us know what Michael Collins sounded like.

No, not that Michael Collins. Newsreel footage in those days was silent.
Or the astronaut Michael Collins, most of the famous quotes from the moon landings were Armstrong & Aldrin.

But most of us have probably seen this fella in films:

And no, he's not Michael Collins - that's Gert Fröbe who played Goldfinger. But the German actor spoke very little English, learned his lines phonetically and delivered them with such a strong accent that they had to dub him. And the actor they chose as the voice of Goldfinger was named Michael Collins.

(He was also Fröbe's 'voice' as Baron Bomhurst in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang and in many other films)