Deleted User wrote: » Probationary periods. Staggered. I have a good friend from Kirghistan who married someone just so she could gain a European visa, and Irish citizenship. She was prepared to live that way so she could get what she wanted. I think we underestimate the value of both, our citizenship, and also the EU visas... why can't we make migrants jump through various hoops before they become eligible for citizenship?
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » because he was trying to imply I was a racist. I despise people who treat women like dirt I despise people who wish gay people be stoned to death I despise people who think nothing of marrying 12 year olds I despise people who would pimp out their daughter in arranged marriages I despise people who think blowing up people is ok because of some invisible man in the sky
I do not want those backward, vile people in my country. Trying to imply i must therefore be a racist is the only comeback they have, and says more about them.
Deleted User wrote: » As for Justin Credible Darts, err... I find he exaggerates too much, but TBH, you do the same.
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » Because you will be told "that is racist
Don't you know we must let them in, house them too, pay them their benefits, so what is it financially cripples us so what if jihadis come How dare we question the numbers clambering to get in.
sod our own people on the housing list who cares if the health system is getting worse. some do gooders have decided it is racist to question things
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » is arranged marriages an exaggeration ?
how about jihadis in Ireland ? was that report a lie ?
Did I make it up about certain muslim countries treating women and the gay community like dirt ?
are ISIS and terrorist orgs a figment of my imagination ?
Any person who cares about gay rights, womens rights etc does not want those type of people here.
As i said earlier, we had one poster who thinks these cavemen type people "can change" when they get here.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Actually, the best chance for other cultures to change is for those people to remain there, become dissatisfied with what they have, and seek change. Those people coming to the west, will invariably look back at their own culture (and nation) with rose-tinted glasses (nostalgia), and want their own culture to be transplanted here, ignoring whatever negatives there are, instead focusing on the negatives within western culture. In any case, different national/cultural groups behave differently. While many might see it as a form of racism, such considerations should be examined/researched, and used in determining policy regarding immigration policies. As for fighting them... I don't buy it. War has changed. It's virtually impossible to take and hold territory without the extermination of the local population, and that's pretty much impossible these days. Most wars which involve the taking of territory concern neighboring countries with similar cultures. Beyond the problems with terrorism, I don't believe we have much to fear about needing to fight anyone, and terrorism is not going to solved any time soon.
Dontfadeaway wrote: » About the housing situation. Are the Irish getting pushed down the list?
yoke wrote: » Dunno where everyone is getting this from. Normal (legal) immigrants, at least from outside the EU, have no chance of getting on any housing list, since their visa depends on them having a job until they get Irish citizenship (which they can apply for after 5 years, but have to keep their job until the process is finished so in total it’s nearer to 6 years). After they get Irish citizenship they have the same rights as any other Irish citizen.
[Deleted User] wrote: » You can't judge the mental state of someone posting to boards. It's ridiculous. I've a BS in Psychology, and that, in no way, prepares me to make assumptions about the mental state of people who post online (actually, in all honesty, it does, but it's still a retarded notion) You made a play on white or ethnic nationalism. TBH after reading your posts, I wonder what kind of perception you have about White people because your posts tend to follow a certain theme. As for Justin Credible Darts, err... I find he exaggerates too much, but TBH, you do the same.
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » because he was trying to imply I was a racist. I despise people who treat women like dirt I despise people who wish gay people be stoned to death I despise people who think nothing of marrying 12 year olds I despise people who would pimp out their daughter in arranged marriages I despise people who think blowing up people is ok because of some invisible man in the sky I do not want those backward, vile people in my country. Trying to imply i must therefore be a racist is the only comeback they have, and says more about them.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Klaz you keep making statements about me and not providing a single quote to support your comment.
I presume you will collate quotes soon that show my theme on white people that you falsely claim I hold.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Robbie, I don't keep anything about you. I haven't responded to any of your posts in ages, nor have I referred to your posts or their content, to other people. I simply said that I don't like your stance on this topic. I made one statement about you (and even then, it's more to do with your posts). "You made a play on white or ethnic nationalism. TBH after reading your posts, I wonder what kind of perception you have about White people because your posts tend to follow a certain theme." Nope, I won't. Will you back up each and every general comment you've made on this thread about "the posters" on this thread? Meh. But you're right. I shouldn't have written it, although for the reason, that I have no desire to get into a debate with you. I'll delete the post.
yoke wrote: » You’re putting words in my mouth there - I didn’t say western culture was so great that any immigrants would instantly adopt all aspects of it.
You keep making the point that you’ve been to Asia and a lot of those countries are nationalist, therefore we should be like that as well. This is flawed logic, pretty much any country in Asia that you find nationalistic now, has been through massive change and disruption over the past 100 years… the nationalism is a result of short sightedness/stupidity, not something to be emulated in the west as you are suggesting.
The average person who you found to be nationalistic in those countries quite often hasn’t studied the effects of nationalism in history - otherwise a lot of them might remember how people like Genghis Khan got started (hint: Chinese racism against Mongol tribes/Great Wall of China/“if we don’t let them in, they will go away” attitude. Those that don’t learn from history are bound to repeat it.
In response to the people who think that nationalism will not lead to conflict - you cannot have 2 sources of authority (2 governments) on one planet without either compromise or conflict. It is impossible. Sooner or later, someone will get pissed off that someone is mining something too much and issue ultimatums, and there’ll be war. Anything else is “unstable equilibrium”, in the long term (over 100 years).
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Klaz you responded to more than one of my posts yesterday and made unsupported statements about me. I asked you to support your statements and then this post. So you are lying straight out lying.
Honestly I guess I'll just wait for you to next post about how "woke" people are always running away from the argument. Yes Klaz I do support any specific things I say about posters with quotes of said poster.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Liar liar pants on fire. It's a lot like the accusation of racism these days. As I said, I made a mistake. I shouldn't have posted last night directly to you, and I apologise for doing so. There. We can go back to ignoring each other now.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Describing billions of people as vile based on nothing more than their religion is racist. This is a racist post.
Deleted User wrote: » <snip>
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » how is it racist, when i am defending women who are the same race and religion how is it racist when i am defending gay people of the same religion and race ? I was clearly referring to the actions of certain people and their own personal behavior. Typical you, throwing accusations around.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Describing all Muslim people as vile is racist.
gw80 wrote: » To be fair,he didn't say all Muslim people are racist, I read it as the people who do the things listed as vile,
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » Are the gay people who are treated like dirt not also muslim ? I am defending them The wives of those people are also muslim, and I was defending them too, but you have chosen to ignore this to throw around accusationsshow me where I said ALL muslims were vile Oh wait, you cant because i never said it, but it dont matter to you in your quest to throw accusations around
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » He didn't say muslim people are racist he described them as "backward, vile people"!
[Deleted User] wrote: » Neither did I. jmayo said it in his response to your post. So, you see, you've just put words in my mouth.
I don't keep making the point that Asian countries are nationalistic.
Nor, do I keep making any kind of point that we should be like Asian countries. Where did I suggest that we should embrace Asian nationalism?
Well done. You've managed to dumb down history so much.
Genghis Khan didn't arise due to Chinese nationalism. haha. He arose because the mongols were a ethnic group devoted to raiding, steppe wandering, and he saw an opportunity.
As for people not "studying" nationalism, whatever that means... they have the same resources you have. What makes you so superior that you understand nationalism so much better?
I do find it amusing that you have failed to address anything in my post that quoted your piece. Everything you're writing about is related to others. And either you've got my nickname mixed up with someone else, or you're misrepresenting my posts. It's very odd.
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