monkeybutter wrote: » Do you have super short arms and feet, how far back do you think the seat would be going , how many times do you think the taller person would be driving on holidays and do you really think the hire company is resetting the seats Again, it's a strange thing to be filling your mind with over all these years Did you ever rent from cork airport
dark crystal wrote: » A plan that involved chasing her outside, perhaps in view of her neighbours, hitting her repeatedly with random debris found in a laneway and then leaving it at the scene as evidence? Really? I found this interesting, a quote from her husband:https://www.irishtimes.com/news/a-brutal-death-in-black-and-white-1.922863 As I previously theorised, I think it was most likely someone local chancing their arm with her, getting rejected and then (perhaps drunkenly) attacking her in anger.
MoonUnit75 wrote: » I'd remember if I had to get out to move a passenger car seat forward.
monkeybutter wrote: » Who said he howled at the moon? Everyone has howled at the moon at some point in their lives It is recorded on tape that they were willing to fill in statements
monkeybutter wrote: » Maybe that was indeed the plan
"Sophie Toscan du Plantier was not raped or sexually assaulted, Dr Harbison writes. When I interviewed Daniel Toscan du Plantier in 1999 (he died in 2003), he speculated on the motive of his wife's killer. "I can imagine it well," he said. "She could be extremely cutting. She faced someone who was probably drunk, and he made a pass at her and she rejected him in an insulting way and he went crazy. It was like her to go outside to talk to him; she wasn't afraid of anything."
MyPeopleDrankTheSoup wrote: » the night of the murder was a full moon. that was a huge part of the podcast but wasn't even mentioned in the sky show. ian bailey used to be seen by neighbours howling at full moons. they obviously chalked him down as a weirdo when they saw that. a huge part of the podcast that they never mentioned is jule's interview when she was arrested. in the garda transcript of the interview (not recorded... written up by a guard) jules says they drove to a lookout point that night and ian pointed out the flickering light in sophie's house and said something bad is going to happen to her tonight in the full moon! jules claimed she never said that in the interview. and if it wasn't mentioned in the sky doc, I guess they must believe her. so either 1) it's true and ian said it 2) the guards had no problem throwing a complete lie into an official interview to stitch up their guy
monkeybutter wrote: » I have to say I doubt your recollection across 26 separate events and 13 years
MoonUnit75 wrote: » Almost always at airports, I doubt I'm the only one with the same routine. I keep my phone holder, charging cables, tablet with emails etc. that I'll need etc. in my hand luggage, open the car, dig out all that stuff from the bag and throw it on the passenger seat. I'd notice if it was set well back sitting in to set up the phone charger etc. I'd have to get out to push it forward to keep stuff in easy reach. Never happened!
Mackwiss wrote: » This is actually a very good point. The place is in the middle of nowhere, so was the night cloudy? Moonless?
Yurt! wrote: » Supreme shade being thrown here. You use downmarket car rental agencies. Lol.
MoonUnit75 wrote: » Maybe you use an ultra budget hire company like Firefly? Sophie used a well respected outfit.
monkeybutter wrote: » Do they only hire short arses Have you rented in Ireland? Cork airport That's a strange amount of time to be spending noting the positions of car rental seats, driver and passenger You should note she was only 4ft 11, so would have the seat very forward
monkeybutter wrote: » I have, the chances of it happening in a compact car are even higher Come on
MoonUnit75 wrote: » I've hired cars in at least 13 countries on average twice a year and have never been given a car with either seat pushed all the way back towards the back seat. Especially not in a compact car similar in size to a Fiesta. I normally throw a few bits and pieces, maps in the old days and tablets and the like these days, and would notice if the seat was set well back from the drivers position.
dark crystal wrote: » Was that Sophie's rental car? I'm guessing they didn't do any DNA tests on it?
fryup wrote: » who said it was a hire car?
MoonUnit75 wrote: » The gardai only have the statements to work with, it's up to a jury to figure out who is actually credible and the barristers to tease out who is able to stand over their statements. That's how it works. The DPP consistently discounted prosecution witnesses but likely defence witnesses are not criticised in the same manner.
monkeybutter wrote: » What position would they leave it in?
MoonUnit75 wrote: » One interesting factoid noted by the gardai was that the small Fiesta hire car had the passenger seat pushed back almost all the way to accommodate a tall person. They felt it was unlikely the hire car company handed it over like this after it was valeted, makes sense not to obstruct the back seats like that.
monkeybutter wrote: » You iron these out before you go to court or you will get some bollicking from the judge
Mackwiss wrote: » This is actually a very good point. The place is in the middle of nowhere, so was the night cloudy? Moonless? Because if you need to walk to get the concrete block and hit here straight on there needs to be light.
fryup wrote: » maybe not to kill her but to meet her, maybe rekindle an old friendship or relationship and was rebuffed didn't one of her ex boyfriends have a fixation with her? stalking her in Paris? a certain Bruno Carbonnet?
dark crystal wrote: » Exactly - this wasn't planned imo. Another thing is that Sophie arrived alone in Ireland on 20th December. She was killed on the night of the 22nd, having planned to return to France on the 24th. During her very brief stay, it was very unlikely she was with a companion, as her 2 day visit was quite well documented as having been in the local bar for tea and scones, shopping in the local boutique and taking a long solitary walk to the isolated castles by the lake, which she recounted to a friend in her home. Whoever killed her only turned up sometime after she had visited the local bar earlier that day, the 22nd (sorry, not sure of the exact time she was there) and likely after she spoke to her husband on the phone that evening. Not much of an illicit rendezvous if her out-of-town-lover only decided to make an appearance for a mere 24 hours before she was to leave the country again and without as much as a phone call made beforehand. Whoever killed her, knew where she lived alright, but I don't think she was expecting them.
MoonUnit75 wrote: » No one disputes he had scratches on his hands, he admits himself he had scratches on his hands, so Dr. Barnes' observations five days later are pointless. Sophie had a light night shirt on her, presuming the killer was warmly dressed on this cold night you would not expect scratches from briars to tear up a well dressed person in a similar way to someone in light night clothes. There are multiple witnesses who said he had no obvious scratches on the night leading up to the murder, a couple of people close to him and one independent witness who claim to have seen scratches before the murder. These are the kind of inconsistencies that would be ironed out much, much better in the witness box than in a report.
