monkeybutter wrote: » what other famous west cork native could be a suspect? would have 100% been in west cork xmass 1996
Bannasidhe wrote: » Why Famous? If someone was being protected it's far more likely to be a local 'pillar of the community' type.
JimmyVik wrote: » Maybe noone is being protected and the murderer just slipped away out of contention as the focus shifted and stayed on IB. They had their man, now they were only going to look for evidence that fitted this man. Any other evidence just got in the way, so was skipped over.
JimmyVik wrote: » The whole thing has always seemed to me that people want to hang the crime on someone. Quite early on they got a suspect and fitted the evidence around him. Meanwhile they forgot to actually investigate the crime. Even in this thread you see people who believe it was him, just on a gut feeling, or just selecting evidence that suits the fit. And as for the French trial ... Dont ever get arrested in France
MoonUnit75 wrote: » What's wrong with the French justice system? He wasn't denied the option to defend himself, he chose not to.
monkeybutter wrote: » no evidence and they convicted him if he went to defend himself he would be in jail need we say more
MoonUnit75 wrote: » Yes, we do need to say more. The French argued the DPP decision was to eliminate each piece of evidence based on its own probability and not weigh the entirety of it together against the exculpatory evidence.
Castlekeeper wrote: » The randy garda, now deceased, is the only local theory that ever made sense to me.
monkeybutter wrote: » There's zero evidence left after the lies have been removed, there no balance of probablity like none you can't say 8 pieces of bull**** equate to 1 truth that is what they were saying
MoonUnit75 wrote: » How many days were you there for the trial?
odyssey06 wrote: » It was a kangaroo court and to convince on such shoddy evidence was either corruption or incompetence. So yes, there's something deeply wrong with a system that claims such powers for itself outside its own territory and wields them on such shoddy evidence. France should have been told to take a running jump with the abuse of power they claim for themselves in terms of trying a case that occurred on Irish territory.
monkeybutter wrote: » I would suspect as many as you
MoonUnit75 wrote: » And yet here we are, one of us admits ignorance but also that there was no case.
MyPeopleDrankTheSoup wrote: » the marie farrell story of seeing a guy on the bridge is absolute horses**t this is the direct walk from jule's cottage to sophie's house: https://goo.gl/maps/6ADkUj26kPy5eALu9 it's a long walk, 50 minute and up a hill at the end, I drove it a few weeks ago (but didn't make the final turn off to sophie's house, even the road before that you feel like you're on a private boreen going into a farm) now look at the walk if you had to pass kealfadda bridge: https://goo.gl/maps/VekixnwS615jCWct7 it's completely out of the way and turns it into a 90 minute walk!
Mackwiss wrote: » Lastly, where would red license plates come from? I remember French license plates being metallic and black back in the 90s?
Cona44 wrote: » The Sky documentary wasn't very thorough and seemed to just want to keep it short and to the point at a high level. Didn't really mention anything we dont already know. Kind of targetted at an audience who know nothing about the story so far. The West Cork podcast has been the most detailed, in-depth version of events so far. Although, I wish it had dug a bit deeper seeing as they spent 3 years in total in West Cork making the show. The episode where they explore who could have done it (if not IB) was a waste of time really. They harped on about a horse and the story of Elks in Norway or something for no real reason. We know it had to be a murder due to the murder weapons, so I thought this was a bit stupid. Also, now that I listen back to it, they let a few of the small details go without comment. This case really will revolve around the small details.
Creamy Goodness wrote: » Irish plates were black text on red for a period of time, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland
SoulWriter wrote: » all the documentary makers have to approach the main payers.
Mackwiss wrote: » Thank you for this! It does show how implausible it would be for IB to do that route! This lead me to more questions actually... if IB did it he would take the shortest route home. Only exception would be if he was completely drunk and went completely on a wonder and then seen at the bridge... (despite the witness having zero credibility) But let's suppose that was Ian there on that night, still that is no evidence he went up the road to kill her... it would much more be possible he was drunk and wandering around. Ian never gives a straight answer on this matter even on the doc he doesn't talk about. Was he writing like he claims? Would he remember what was written or if he dated it for example? Did something happens he's ashamed of? Obviously the guards took away his diaries and potentially the writings from that night... Now there's another matter to think about. If it wasn't IB and a local killer with pre-meditated motifs wouldn't take the road by the bridge and probably go north towards Durrus instead of straight to Schull. A murderer on a fit of rage would've gone straight to Schull to escape towards the N71 panicking in regret. Which would mean the blue ford with the red license plates could be the killer. Now if the killer was not local the killer would need to know very well the roads and boreens in a time where without GPS or Google Maps didn't exist So the next question is, would the boreen that goes from the bridge to the R591 be present on a 1990s road map that someone could follow to get there. coming from abroad through Cork Airport? Or if he knew the victim, he would've known how to get to her house from Schull and that's why he took that route. Lastly, where would red license plates come from? I remember French license plates being metallic and black back in the 90s? About the killing itself... not sure if the information about glasses or chairs is factual. My theory is, she saw a car stopped at the gate with the lights on went on to see what was the issue with the vehicle and picked the axe as defense. And was then killed from behind in the dark. For some reason killer goes back in the house, maybe to turn off the lights or to pick up something, or simply to close the door to the house and leaves.
Bailey states that it is not unusual for him to get up during the night but onthis occasion he had to get up because he had a story to write for the Sunday Tribune and it had to be submitted on Monday 23 December 1996. 9. He states that this was a very difficult story because it was about computers and he found it difficult to write 900 words on this subject which had to refer to computer language etc. He states that he hand wrote the story in the kitchen of Jules' house and then between 7.00 and 8.00 a.m. as dawn was approaching, the first light of the day was beginning to show, he went to type it below in the studio. He says that he had to fax the story as he could not dictate it. Normally he dictates his story by telephone.
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