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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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I would like to see a Boards.ie Consensus.

Economists agree that immigration has a net positive on the economy and this immigration is surely a wonderful thing for the county.

Agree/Disagree?

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[Deleted User]

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I know the vetting process is not working if jihadi terrorists can come here. Yes, jihadi terrorists in Ireland., people who want to kill those who dont believe in their made up invisible man in the sky.

Carry on making excuses and deflecting

But you don't know where they are from?

Justin Credible Darts

bubblypop wrote: »

I never said we should trust other countries? Don't know where you got That from. And we don't keep statistics, as pointed out EU citizens are free to come and go, without even having to register their residency.
How well do you know the vetting process?

You didn't answer my question, do you know where the arrested people were from?

I know the vetting process is not working if jihadi terrorists can come here. Yes, jihadi terrorists in Ireland., people who want to kill those who dont believe in their made up invisible man in the sky.

Carry on making excuses and deflecting

[Deleted User]

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

so let me get this right, you complained in this thread that we have no way of keeping statistics, but somehow we should trust other countries, when we give the most flimsy "vetting" to immigrants.

How come we have jihadist terrorists in this country then if the vetting process was any good ?

I never said we should trust other countries? Don't know where you got That from. And we don't keep statistics, as pointed out EU citizens are free to come and go, without even having to register their residency.
How well do you know the vetting process?

You didn't answer my question, do you know where the arrested people were from?

Justin Credible Darts

bubblypop wrote: »

Well, at least with sex offenders we do actually know when they come here and they are subject to life long supervision.

Any EU citizen can come and live here no matter what their previous convictions, we don't even require them to register their residency anywhere!

Non EU citizens are subject to vetting at all times.

so let me get this right, you complained in this thread that we have no way of keeping statistics, but somehow we should trust other countries, when we give the most flimsy "vetting" to immigrants.

How come we have jihadist terrorists in this country then if the vetting process was any good ?

[Deleted User]

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

if you have committed crimes like murder, rape, etc or on a sex offenders list and have did your time in what ever european country, you should not be allowed to come here.

as for non eu people, same applies, if you are an ex con, get fuq-ed you aint coming in.
We have enough of our own scum without importing other countries rubbish.

Likewise other countries should be free to deny irish ex cons entry to their countries.

Well, at least with sex offenders we do actually know when they come here and they are subject to life long supervision.

Any EU citizen can come and live here no matter what their previous convictions, we don't even require them to register their residency anywhere!

Non EU citizens are subject to vetting at all times.

Justin Credible Darts

if you have committed crimes like murder, rape, etc or on a sex offenders list and have did your time in what ever european country, you should not be allowed to come here.

as for non eu people, same applies, if you are an ex con, get fuq-ed you aint coming in.
We have enough of our own scum without importing other countries rubbish.

Likewise other countries should be free to deny irish ex cons entry to their countries.

[Deleted User]

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

Yes.

Which part of the word Everyone are you having difficulty understanding.
We should be stopping the scum from european countries from entering too

and the vetting process needs to be more stringent as the jihadists being caught proves there are serious flaws as it is.

I'm not sure you would have many agreeing with you about the EU immigrants!
Considering we have freedom of movement of all persons across the EU, I'm not sure you would ever see it happening.

Also, so you know where the arrested people are from? You seem to be sure they needed permission to be here?

As it happens, I agree with you, to an extent.

Justin Credible Darts

bubblypop wrote: »

Including EU immigrants?
Because currently they are the only immigrants that are not vetted.

Yes.

Which part of the word Everyone are you having difficulty understanding.
We should be stopping the scum from european countries from entering too

and the vetting process needs to be more stringent as the jihadists being caught proves there are serious flaws as it is.

[Deleted User]

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

All of them.
Or do you think we just let everyone in or give some preferential treatment ?

Including EU immigrants?
Because currently they are the only immigrants that are not vetted.

Justin Credible Darts

bubblypop wrote: »

Which immigrants do posters think should be vetted?

All of them.
Or do you think we just let everyone in or give some preferential treatment ?

[Deleted User]

Which immigrants do posters think should be vetted?

jmreire

yoke wrote: »

What’s your solution?

We send them all back into the Middle East, wait 500 years until they develop a WMD capable of destroying the world, and then destroy the world in a big war with them?

Or is it, send them back to the Middle East and try to eradicate them right now?

Those are the only 2 options I can see, if you refuse to allow them to merge.

The problem is and alway has been since the 6 century for Muslims is that they cannot change. No matter what Islamic Country they come from, and no matter where they go, they bring their Islam with them, it is the most important thing in their lives, and this has never changed, and it wont ever change. During the Covid lockdown, when all travel and visiting etc was forbidden for everyone, 130 Muslims went to Blackpits Mosque to celebrate Ramadan...was this the only Mosque where the law was broken? You can be sure that it was not. When they represent a small % of the overall population, they are pretty quiet, but with their Nrs increasing, they become increasingly vocal. This is what has happened in other Countrys, and here will not be the exception. Quite simply, Muslims will only integrate as much as they have to. but their Islam is non-negotiable and there will not be much merging.

[Deleted User]

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

robbie doing everything he can to deflect.....typical

Deflect to what or from what?

enricoh

Actually dont Robbie , I couldn't be bothered realistically!

enricoh

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I wonder how they are getting on with LGBT issues.

Do you not want to talk about the report you linked earlier anymore?
Not want to address any of the points I took from the report you linked to no. ok.

I wonder how they are getting on with their road infrastructure- am I doing the whataboutery correctly?!

Go on enlighten me Robbie, was it a big bad waysist writing for the Indo ? Or wha

Justin Credible Darts

anyone that thinks some immigrant with a history of wife beating, or pro jihadist tendencies, or is a blatant homophobe, or a combination of 2 or all 3 is suddenly going to "change" overnight cos he will get a council house in tallaght is seriously deluded.

Justin Credible Darts

robbie doing everything he can to deflect.....typical

[Deleted User]

jmayo wrote: »

Why do you do that ?
I have seen this type of line thrown out a few times now.

It appears smarmy, condescending and provocative.

Are you trying to provoke an argument trying to get someone of an opposing view to say something so you can get them thrown out of the thread/forum ?

But your post is positively dripping with peace and joy, right jm?

[Deleted User]

enricoh wrote: »

I wonder how the eastern European countries that said thanks but no thanks when Merkel opened up the borders a few years ago are getting on with Islamic terrorists?
Their politicians may never get any plum jobs in Europe but I'd say their terror threat level is lower than those countries that rolled out the red carpet!

I wonder how they are getting on with LGBT issues.

Do you not want to talk about the report you linked earlier anymore?
Not want to address any of the points I took from the report you linked to no. ok.

enricoh

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We now have a situation in Ireland last year where per head of population we had the most arrests for Jihadism terrorism. A lot of these people hold joint nationality or even non Irish nationality. The solution is tighten our immigration policies so they can't come here in the first place. We are seen as a soft touch throughout the world.

There should also be an investigation held as to how these people have managed to base themselves in Ireland and action should be taken to prevent it happening again.

Attempts by posters here to suddenly start talking about right wing terrorism or Northern Ireland are the usual tactics of deflection.

I wonder how the eastern European countries that said thanks but no thanks when Merkel opened up the borders a few years ago are getting on with Islamic terrorists?
Their politicians may never get any plum jobs in Europe but I'd say their terror threat level is lower than those countries that rolled out the red carpet!

Justin Credible Darts

jmayo wrote: »

Ah yes something that slips through every now and then is the air of superiority dripping off those that subscribe to mass immigration of people from more certain cultures.

If someone anti immigration were to say most of the immigrants/asylum seekers come from sh**holes that are backward in the extreme they would castigated by people who are pro immigration/pro asylum seeker/etc.

But you are openly of the viewpoint that you and this culture in the West is superior and all it takes is for these lads to be welcomed in and hey presto they will see the error of their ways.

Next thing you know Kalid who was forcing his wife to live as a second class serf, was advocating death to gays and joining protests against Western nations for allowing cartoons depicting a somewhat fictious character as a joke, only needs to spend some time in the likes of Ireland and next thing you know he will be joining a gay pride march and buying his missus copies of Germaine Greer's books.

Fecking hell the delusion.

no no no...we are expected to believe that wife beaters who despise gay people and wish death on capitalists, and anyone that dares mock their invisible man will come here and completely change their entire personality and behaviour overnight once they get here.....

This is the mindset we have to put up with.

jmayo

yoke wrote: »

If they come here, they can change.

If you leave them where they are, you can’t change them and will eventually have to fight them.

Ah yes something that slips through every now and then is the air of superiority dripping off those that subscribe to mass immigration of people from more certain cultures.

If someone anti immigration were to say most of the immigrants/asylum seekers come from sh**holes that are backward in the extreme they would castigated by people who are pro immigration/pro asylum seeker/etc.

But you are openly of the viewpoint that you and this culture in the West is superior and all it takes is for these lads to be welcomed in and hey presto they will see the error of their ways.

Next thing you know Kalid who was forcing his wife to live as a second class serf, was advocating death to gays and joining protests against Western nations for allowing cartoons depicting a somewhat fictious character as a joke, only needs to spend some time in the likes of Ireland and next thing you know he will be joining a gay pride march and buying his missus copies of Germaine Greer's books.

Fecking hell the delusion.

[Deleted User]

yoke wrote: »

If they come here, they can change.

If you leave them where they are, you can’t change them and will eventually have to fight them.

Actually, the best chance for other cultures to change is for those people to remain there, become dissatisfied with what they have, and seek change. Those people coming to the west, will invariably look back at their own culture (and nation) with rose-tinted glasses (nostalgia), and want their own culture to be transplanted here, ignoring whatever negatives there are, instead focusing on the negatives within western culture.

In any case, different national/cultural groups behave differently. While many might see it as a form of racism, such considerations should be examined/researched, and used in determining policy regarding immigration policies.

As for fighting them... I don't buy it. War has changed. It's virtually impossible to take and hold territory without the extermination of the local population, and that's pretty much impossible these days. Most wars which involve the taking of territory concern neighboring countries with similar cultures. Beyond the problems with terrorism, I don't believe we have much to fear about needing to fight anyone, and terrorism is not going to solved any time soon.

Sue de Nimes

Multiculturalism bad. Multi-racialism fine.

IMO

Justin Credible Darts

Deleted User wrote: »

We now have a situation in Ireland last year where per head of population we had the most arrests for Jihadism terrorism. A lot of these people hold joint nationality or even non Irish nationality. The solution is tighten our immigration policies so they can't come here in the first place. We are seen as a soft touch throughout the world.

There should also be an investigation held as to how these people have managed to base themselves in Ireland and action should be taken to prevent it happening again.

Attempts by posters here to suddenly start talking about right wing terrorism or Northern Ireland are the usual tactics of deflection.

absolutely,

We dont want their scum coming here, everyone should be vetted.

Its not like we dont have our own scum here without adding those from other countries to the mix.

As for Irish terrorists sadly we are stuck with them, but we can deport the foreign ones, but i rather we stop them from ever coming here, in the first place

jmayo

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Terrorists are bad, mkay JCD!

Risk assessment by law enforcement is and should be carried out on all of those terrorist threats and their implications to this state.

You ok JCD hun?

Why do you do that ?
I have seen this type of line thrown out a few times now.

It appears smarmy, condescending and provocative.

Are you trying to provoke an argument trying to get someone of an opposing view to say something so you can get them thrown out of the thread/forum ?

[Deleted User]

yoke wrote: »

If they come here, they can change.

If you leave them where they are, you can’t change them and will eventually have to fight them.

This is patently not true, we do not need open borders to change people, nor should our immigration policies be tailored to "changing people". Our immigration policies should be tailored to helping out Irish people and society where and if it is necessary.

We also do not need to fight people who remain where they are. What kind of war-mongering policy is that?

It is up to them to change if they choose, it is not the West's job. Huge changes are already talking place anyway over the last few decades fueled by social media, changing societal norms along with massive demographic transition throughout most areas.

[Deleted User]

yoke wrote: »

What’s your solution?

We send them all back into the Middle East, wait 500 years until they develop a WMD capable of destroying the world, and then destroy the world in a big war with them?

Or is it, send them back to the Middle East and try to eradicate them right now?

Those are the only 2 options I can see, if you refuse to allow them to merge.

We now have a situation in Ireland last year where per head of population we had the most arrests for Jihadism terrorism. A lot of these people hold joint nationality or even non Irish nationality. The solution is tighten our immigration policies so they can't come here in the first place. We are seen as a soft touch throughout the world.

There should also be an investigation held as to how these people have managed to base themselves in Ireland and action should be taken to prevent it happening again.

Attempts by posters here to suddenly start talking about right wing terrorism or Northern Ireland are the usual tactics of deflection.

[Deleted User]

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

nice deflection as I have come to expect from you.

I already stated, which you seemed to ignore, I am all for equality.
So much so I find the practices in other countries where women and gay people are treated like dirt to be a terrible thing,

I don't want those women hating gay hating people coming here.

if that makes me a racist, that make you anti women and anti gay if you support those people.
you cannot have it both ways.

Relax there pal.
And hold of on the nonsense accusations.

If you want to trawl through my history you will find I am no fan of Islam or any religion in particular.
In fact I think I mentioned it in this thread. But me actively opposing the forced imposition of any religous beliefs or constraints on other people does not automatically mean that I end up hating individuals of said religions without a fair reason for that anger and hatred.

Cordell

yoke wrote: »

If they come here, they can change.

If you leave them where they are, you can’t change them and will eventually have to fight them.

Yes, a lot of them will change, but quite a few won't, why do we need to deal with those that don't?
Why should we accept the islamic terrorism as an unavoidable reality when there's still a clear way to avoid it is some european countries?