Justin Credible Darts wrote: » nice deflection as I have come to expect from you. I already stated, which you seemed to ignore, I am all for equality. So much so I find the practices in other countries where women and gay people are treated like dirt to be a terrible thing, I don't want those women hating gay hating people coming here. if that makes me a racist, that make you anti women and anti gay if you support those people. you cannot have it both ways.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » But your all pro LGBT rights, right?
[Deleted User] wrote: » You see nothing wrong with pro Islamic political parties popping up in Europe in the future, that could hold the balance of power, like what is happening in Sweden? And what might look OK on the surface with current numbers can change in nature as numbers change too. I'm not sure it's a path we even want to go near to going down
ArthurDayne wrote: » I just read the article and I’m trying to figure out what the substantive issue is here. The article calls it a pro-Islamic party which could mean several things to be honest, but also seems to suggest that it’s also a kind of pluralist party that appears to lean pro-EU and wants to prevent what happened in France from happening in Sweden. Am I missing something ?
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » we have a situation where a lot of pro immigration people, mostly white people trying to appear all woke love defending the rights of the immigrants.And that is fine. I am all for equality The same people speak out how they stand up for lgbt issues and of course womens rights, which is also commendable. The problem is a lot of the immigrants they defend do not share their same view on womens rights or gay rights, and are defending people from nations that openly discriminate against women and gay people. Surely all these pro women and pro gay groups would want less bigots in this country ?
Fandymo wrote: » The murder of Yosuke Sasaki could have been prevented if the Gardai had been equipped with an ounce of sense.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » What activities could the Garda have stopped if they were better equipped?
Cordell wrote: » Ok, let's focus less on who must do a proper background check and more on the fact that no one does it.
WrenBoy wrote: » Thats fair enough, what about yourself ? Do you think this thread " What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland?" is "right-wing extremist propaganda " ?
The use of irony and memes, as has been observed on online platforms linked to the ‘chan culture’ (a succession of message boards similar to the original 4Chan181) can lead to the emergence of a shared feeling of community, an ‘in-group’, especially among a younger generation of digital natives. Central to this ‘in-group’ status is the shared consumption of extremist content. Users are initially drawn in by the visual culture and then become slowly more tolerant of radical and extreme ideologies hostile to ‘outgroups’, such as black people or ethnic minorities, Jewish people, women, or the LGBTQ+ community
Often the propaganda is delivered in a subliminal way, combined with irony, paving the way for possible radicalisation. V
enricoh wrote: » Dunno about anyone else but if right wing extremists wanna blabber away online I'd view it as less than a threat than Islamic jihadis blowing up kids at a concert in Manchester. Apparently Ireland is viewed as a safe haven for jihadis away from the prying eyes of mi5 etc. Here's a reformed radical telling of meeting one of the London bridge attackers in Ireland. I'm after watching a video of some scobes scrapping on o Connell street and no hint of any cops for an eternity, I reckon they might get more time in dublin before getting shot than London!https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/radicalised-irish-woman-claims-she-travelled-ireland-with-london-bridge-attacker-and-says-there-are-up-to-150-islamic-extremists-living-here-37349339.html
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Just pointing out the piece from the report linked by enrich and being discussed in this thread. The report noted that online right wing extremism has increased online during the pandemic. I think I quoted the section from the report that detailed those types of right wing ideology earlier. If your want to infer or not from the report that this thread is part of that online dialogue mentioned is up to you. The report was linked and I'm discussing the contents.
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » CULTURAL NATIONALISM the belief that ‘Western culture’ is under threat from mass migration into Europe and from the lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups. Cultural nationalism tends to focus on the rejection of cultural practices such as the wearing of the full-face veil (burqa or niqab) or perceived attempts to impose Islamic law in Western countries.
Cordell wrote: » Every foreigner here was at some point facing a Garda and had their papers checked. That is an excellent opportunity for a background check - if they can do it in other countries surely they can do it here.
WrenBoy wrote: » Although the thread was created during Covid times, I'm sure you're not saying that discussing Multiculturalism in Ireland is "right-wing extremist propaganda " Are you?
RobbieTheRobber wrote: » Some more excellent insights from the Report in question.https://www.europol.europa.eu/activities-services/main-reports/european-union-terrorism-situation-and-trend-report-2021-tesat This threads creation coincides with the period under discussion in this section of the report too.
bubblypop wrote: » Who exactly do you mean? When should Gardai do those checks and on who?
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » I am fine, just it never ceases to amaze me how agendas are so obvious, one poster when they saw there was 18 terrorists decided to instead focus on those irish ones instead of the immigrant ones living here. That shows how much of an agenda they have, and how their deflection tactics work. nor does it alter my initial point, not a single pro immigration poster condemning it.
Justin Credible Darts wrote: » has one pro immigration poster condemned the terrorists coming here yet ? seems to me they have ignored it and trying deflection tactics
Narratives and conspiracy theories with potential to incite violence In addition to right-wing ideological currents openly advocating violence, individuals can be triggered into violent action by narratives and conspiracy theories that do not in themselves endorse violence
In recent years, right-wing extremist propaganda has used a mix of online and offline methods with a growing trend towards online propaganda. EU Member States assessed that COVID-19 and the containment measures taken by governments in Europe have drastically accelerated this trend towards the spread of right-wing extremist propaganda through the Internet. Social distancing and lockdowns have forced people to spend most of their time at home, so time spent in front of the computer increased significantly. With younger and more vulnerable individuals in particular spending more time online, the risk of exposure to right-wing extremist propaganda and online right-wing communities increases, increasing the risk of radicalisation.
Cordell wrote: » Before that maybe get them to do a proper background check and turn back all undesirables? Nice strawman though.
Topgear on Dave wrote: » Bless your confidence Bubblypop. You are either totally on top of everything or blissfully unaware of what is going on. I really do hope it is the former, and there will be no unfortunate events in future where it is shown up to be the latter..
enricoh wrote: » 18 arrested in Ireland last year on jihadist terrorist charges, great to see we are importing the same issues France, the UK etc have been battling. I thought paddy was getting all the nice ones!https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiTWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnJ0ZS5pZS9uZXdzL2lyZWxhbmQvMjAyMS8wNjIyLzEyMzA3MzgtdGVycm9yaXNtLW9mZmVuY2VzLWlyZWxhbmQv0gEfaHR0cHM6Ly9hbXAucnRlLmllL2FtcC8xMjMwNzM4Lw?hl=en-IE&gl=IE&ceid=IE%3Aen
Cordell wrote: » I said law enforcement, not just Gards. If law enforcement would have been better equipped, and that includes legal powers, these people would not have been here.
Cordell wrote: » So, it does not exist, oh, it does exist but it's only financing, oh, don't look there look here there might be right wing extremists. All grand then, sorry for intruding.
CULTURAL NATIONALISM the belief that ‘Western culture’ is under threat from mass migration into Europe and from the lack of integration by certain ethnic and cultural groups. Cultural nationalism tends to focus on the rejection of cultural practices such as the wearing of the full-face veil (burqa or niqab) or perceived attempts to impose Islamic law in Western countries.WHITE OR ETHNIC NATIONALISM the belief that mass migration from the ‘non-white’ world and alleged demographic change pose an existential threat to the ‘white race’ and ‘Western culture’. White nationalism advocates the creation of a ‘white’ homeland, either through the partition of already existing countries or by the repatriation of ethnic minorities, carried out by force if necessary. Much of this rhetoric is present in the Identitarian movementWHITE SUPREMACISM the belief that the ‘white race’ has certain inalienable physical and mental characteristics that makes it superior to other ‘races’.
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