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I bet you didn't know that this thread would have a part 2

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Cordell

There's a longer version where Vinnie says: worry you'll hurt him? Better a cracked rib than him kicking the bucket!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD2qTmDsiHk

cdeb

I think if you haven't broken their ribs after a while, you've done it wrong.

You also can't defib someone in the back of a moving ambulance. (Or at least you couldn't when I was in the back of ambulances!) The vibrations mess up the defib's readings and can give a wrong recommendation. You should pull into one side to defib (or ideally just get to hospital as quickly as possible)

Cordell

You should only care about giving CPR properly, broken ribs will heal, being dead won't

People targeted by this video don't have any training or experience, they won't be able to give breaths properly, so they should only concentrate on one thing. Chest compressions will also pump the lungs.

Evade

On the subject of CPR it's very easy to break someone's ribs doing it. I learned when I was 10 or 12 and even then could hit the you've broken a rib indicator on Ambu Andy.

cdeb

I think it's because studies have shown most breaths (by non-professionals anyway) are delivered ineffectively, so you're better off just doing compressions.

Evade

Why don't they include breaths any more? Surely emergency service response times haven't gotten to below four minutes in every case.

Cordell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O92KL1mw77c
This covers everything: how, what, in what order.

Sleepy

fvp4 wrote: »

A quick check on Wikipedia and it says that Michael Jackson did in fact do a CPR course and did incorporate the "Annie are you ok" into Smooth criminal because of that. Rather than post the wiki here is the site it references.

https://www.eonline.com/news/367450/new-michael-jackson-documentary-spike-lee-s-bad-25-is-a-funky-gem-you-can-watch-online

In the same vein: to keep proper time while performing chest compressions in CPR, work to the beat of the Bee Gees "Stayin' Alive".

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jimgoose wrote: »

For some reason I'm reminded of the NowWhatian Boghog.

Whistling, not biting. :pac:

Now, for a while I was considering the babelfish theory, but that doesn't quite apply.

jimgoose

New Home wrote: »

I think they do that in a few parts of the world, across valleys. It would be interesting to know if different "languages" can still understand one another.

For some reason I'm reminded of the NowWhatian Boghog.

Evade

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

Is that a bit like in The Clangers?

It was the cadence and change in pitches that came across. All I remember about the sentence was there was a Diego and I can't find a clip of it.

Badly Drunk Boy

Evade wrote: »

QI had a segment on the Spanish one a few years ago and from what I remember it's a substitution for whatever the spoken language is, a bit like sign language was originally, and once you knew what the phrase was in Spanish you could hear that in the whistles.

Is that a bit like in The Clangers?

There were two brothers who used to work with me who used to communicate with whistles and gestures in work, because they were both in the same noisy area. Nobody could really break the code. They weren't even too close age-wise, maybe 8 or 9 years between them, so it wouldn't have been a childhood thing.

Evade

New Home wrote: »

I think they do that in a few parts of the world, across valleys. It would be interesting to know if different "languages" can still understand one another.

QI had a segment on the Spanish one a few years ago and from what I remember it's a substitution for whatever the spoken language is, a bit like sign language was originally, and once you knew what the phrase was in Spanish you could hear that in the whistles.

New Home

I think they do that in a few parts of the world, across valleys. It would be interesting to know if different "languages" can still understand one another.

cdeb

Something similar in Greece as well (can't remember where exactly, but it was in the Joanna Lumley Greece travelogue)

retalivity

On the lesser known Canary island of La Gomera, residents still speak a whistled version of Spanish called Silbo Gomera, which was used to communicate with each other across deep valleys and ravines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfGwFM9-wFk

Capt'n Midnight

New Home wrote: »

Let me guess... Terry Pratchett? Or Douglas Adams?

Randomly from http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2015/12/science-fictional-shibboleths.html

It goes on to explain why there won't be any Helium-3 mines on the moon. Which reminds me I should look at the film Moon again.

mikhail

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Human bodies are basically squishy sacks of goopy grease and water emulsions held together by hydrogen bonds and disulphide bridges between protein molecules and glommed onto some big lumps of high-grade chalk.

New Home wrote: »

Let me guess... Terry Pratchett? Or Douglas Adams?

I've never heard it before, but it does sound a bit like Adams, like the quote below.

The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.

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Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Human bodies are basically squishy sacks of goopy grease and water emulsions held together by hydrogen bonds and disulphide bridges between protein molecules and glommed onto some big lumps of high-grade chalk.

Let me guess... Terry Pratchett? Or Douglas Adams?

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For those who follow UK parliamentary matters, the Speaker of the House of Commons, Lindsay Hoyle is following in family footsteps. His ex-MP father Doug is still at Westminster, as a life peer in the House of Lords.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doug_Hoyle

Capt'n Midnight

Human bodies are basically squishy sacks of goopy grease and water emulsions held together by hydrogen bonds and disulphide bridges between protein molecules and glommed onto some big lumps of high-grade chalk.

Capt'n Midnight

As you know three classified small satellites for the National Reconnaissance Office were fired into orbit from the Eastern Shore of Virginia last Tuesday, riding a Northrop Grumman Minotaur 1 booster with a surplus Minuteman missile.

But did you know that the first stage was made in 1966, likely the oldest rocket part ever used on a space launch ?

The SR19 second stage motor, produced by Aerojet, was filled with its solid propellant in 1983.

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A quick check on Wikipedia and it says that Michael Jackson did in fact do a CPR course and did incorporate the "Annie are you ok" into Smooth criminal because of that. Rather than post the wiki here is the site it references.

https://www.eonline.com/news/367450/new-michael-jackson-documentary-spike-lee-s-bad-25-is-a-funky-gem-you-can-watch-online

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Realt Dearg Sec

mikhail wrote: »

It's a nice story, but I find it strange that people always stop there with the little just-so story of the lady who is kind of magic.

If she can smell it, then there is a chemical marker secreted by Parkinson's Disease patients.

That means that we can figure out what it is and build a machine to detect that chemical marker, and even maybe learn something about what PD changes in the body.

There are clever people doing exactly that:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21669-4

She's heavily involved in Parkinson's research and activism herself, first discovered the smell thing when her husband got Parkinson's, and is a nurse etc. Her Twitter account is very active too, so it's possible to go beyond the Ripley's believe it or not part as well.

mikhail

New Home wrote: »

That wasn't my point at all

Yeah, sorry; I didn't mean you specifically, really. It just annoys me that the brilliant follow-up work that's converting a quirky story into another medical miracle is constantly ignored.

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mikhail wrote: »

It's a nice story, but I find it strange that people always stop there with the little just-so story of the lady who is kind of magic.

If she can smell it, then there is a chemical marker secreted by Parkinson's Disease patients.

That means that we can figure out what it is and build a machine to detect that chemical marker, and even maybe learn something about what PD changes in the body.

There are clever people doing exactly that:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21669-4

That wasn't my point at all - of course there are markers of all kinds (just because we haven't found them all, yet, doesn't mean they're not there), just like there are markers for cancers, Covid, infections, etc. We've been using dogs' sense of smell to do detect them for years. The surprising fact, for me, wasn't that she's "magic", but the fact that a human could smell the marker at all, our olfactory system in general isn't that developed. It also means that something that doesn't look "scientific" enough (although there are scientific reasons behind it) should be more accurate than the current tests we have.

mikhail

New Home wrote: »

It's a nice story, but I find it strange that people always stop there with the little just-so story of the lady who is kind of magic.

If she can smell it, then there is a chemical marker secreted by Parkinson's Disease patients.

That means that we can figure out what it is and build a machine to detect that chemical marker, and even maybe learn something about what PD changes in the body.

There are clever people doing exactly that:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-21669-4

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