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The Stand With Eamon Dunphy

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Haven't listened to much of this so far, but really enjoyed the interview with Damien Duff this week.

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Deeper Blue

Whatever about Giles not knowing the players at least he admits that he's basing his opinion purely on the games he sees.

Dunphy hasn't a clue who half of them are either but spoofs his way through every podcast.

The other day they were on about Gnabry as if they'd never heard of him before. He was scoring for Arsenal in the PL a decade ago and has been a high profile player for at least 4 years at this point.

Chiesa is another one that should be at least somewhat familiar to anyone who follows football closely, particularly those that are ostensibly football journalists (i.e. Dunphy)

sleepyman

padd b1975 wrote: »

Cringe you say....

It was borderline unbroadcastable!

Love Gilesey both no point having him on if he doesn't even know the players.It's been mentioned here before but he could do with mixing up the football contributors.
Gabriele Marcotti (not everyone's cup of tea I'll admit) for a preview of the Italian team maybe.

Cazale

John Giles is the best judge of football in the WORLD. I always got the impression that he only ever watched the top six teams in England and would only know players in big European teams if they played against English teams in the Champions League. Shocked there was no reference to Don Revie or Matt Busby to be honest.

humberklog

They reminded me of Smashy and Nicey having to read through Spotify's top 20 Grime artists.

padd b1975

glasso wrote: »

Eamo and Giles did a Euro pre-round of 16 review

was a bit cringe when they were going through a team - say the Italian one as they did, and Giles couldn't remember pretty much any of the player's names and Eamo had to prompt them one by one

Cringe you say....

It was borderline unbroadcastable!

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Eamo and Giles did a Euro pre-round of 16 review

was a bit cringe when they were going through a team - say the Italian one as they did, and Giles couldn't remember pretty much any of the player's names and Eamo had to prompt them one by one

Deeper Blue

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Fearmongering and lies! You've inhaled to much nitrous oxide.

I'm sure Eamon will be delighted that there are 12 year olds listening to the podcast, I'll send him a mail to let him know

Banana Republic 1

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Why yes that's the real reason I'm questioning Ryan's fearmongering lies, pure begrudgery :rolleyes:

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Fearmongering and lies! You've inhaled to much nitrous oxide.

Tell me how

Still Ill wrote: »

Eamon is some bluffer. So many factual errors in the latest football podcast.

He's also 75 years old. I don't listen to him for cutting edge football analysis any more than I listen to Johnny Giles for that reason at this point. But I still enjoy listening to both talking about football, they often cut through the nonsense many analysists are afflicted by and are entertaining if not strictly informative.

Also, I think for many people of my generation, there's a sense of nostalgia associated with the 2 as we literally grew up watching and listening to them and the day they stop, or 'move on' it will be another thing gone forever from our youth. Saw similar with my mother and Gay Byrne, she raised a family with him on the radio and TV for company and always had a soft spot for him and was genuinely upset when he passed away.

Still Ill

Eamon is some bluffer. So many factual errors in the latest football podcast.

Arghus

Thomas Ryan has been wrong about plenty, is quite monotonous to listen to and does lay the glass half empty interpretation on quite thick. I do understand how people can't stand listening to him.

But, I've said it before, last summer he was one of the few out there in the public eye warning that we were looking at going from lockdown to lockdown and our testing and tracing infrastructure wasn't going to do the job - and he was widely derided all over boards and elsewhere for suggesting that any of that was possible or the case.

And bear in mind, at that time, no one of NPHET, the government, the media etc was giving that idea much creedence. He really was one of the very few repeatedly stating the complete obvious in that regard.

Obviously, since then, as time as gone on he has been mistaken on quite a few things, I wouldn't deny that, but the fact that he was fundamentally right about how essentially in the main autumn and winter eventually worked out, when it wasn't a widely held opinion, is always a fact that is completely glossed over by those who can't stand the guy. That is a big massive thing that he did call correctly, that many, many, people did not and he got endless flack for ages about it.

I'm not claiming that he's Nostramdus and that everything is gospel, clearly not, but I can't dismiss him outright either. It doesn't have to black and white, that he's either a genius or a fraud.

Listening to his last interview on the show, he admits himself that he doesn't really know how things will pan out over the next few weeks and months. Which is kind of where we all are really: hoping for the best.

Deeper Blue

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

And now to the begrudgers!

Why yes that's the real reason I'm questioning Ryan's fearmongering lies, pure begrudgery :rolleyes:

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Banana Republic 1

Deeper Blue wrote: »

He said covid could cause autism in unborn children. Spreading fearmongering BS like that with no evidence is disgusting.

I can't understand how he's constantly defended by some. He and his ISAG buddies are a disgrace.

And now to the begrudgers!

Deeper Blue

kowloonkev wrote: »

Tomas Ryan isn't a doom merchant. He just explains how viruses work.

Where are the quotes of where what he said was actually wrong?

He said covid could cause autism in unborn children. Spreading fearmongering BS like that with no evidence is disgusting.

I can't understand how he's constantly defended by some. He and his ISAG buddies are a disgrace.

Klonker

glasso wrote: »

from January this year (after the Christmas increase in cases Ireland - which he didn't predict the scale of anywhere near by the way) he kept pushing out the dates on his projections every podcast all the way out to next Christmas for people being together in different household - every podcast it was a date further out in the future. just changed the date every episode and never mentioned what he was changing or why - it was ridiculous in its randomness and inconsistency.

he fails to properly take account of the effect of the population being vaccinated on the number of deaths and cases. he was still pushing for a zero covid type scenario even as the deaths were basically disappearing as the people who could die from Covid were vaccinated.

he was actually still asking for a 2km radius lockdown again only a couple of months ago.

now he doesn't know what his position is as it was zero covid but that is out the window.

he fails to take account of the fact that in good weather people are outside much more with vastly vastly lower transmission rates.

he consistently claimed that people were not fatigued with lockdowns - eventually he rolled back on this about 2 months ago

he said there would be a big increase in cases when schools reopened.
didn't happen

also ISAG were quoted in internal communications that one of their aims was to "increase fear and uncertainty" in the population - that's what he has been seeking to do all along.

Yeah he kept going on about the schools in particular, making out the Kent would end up putting a lot of children in hospital. Put a lot of fear in parents at a time when they were already very worried.

padd b1975

Robert McGrath wrote: »

As far as I remember, he was man of the match in the last World Cup final for some newspapers!

Yep, and at the time Eamo lauded Deschamps for "getting a tune out of him".

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kowloonkev wrote: »

Tomas Ryan isn't a doom merchant. He just explains how viruses work.

Where are the quotes of where what he said was actually wrong?

from January this year (after the Christmas increase in cases Ireland - which he didn't predict the scale of anywhere near by the way) he kept pushing out the dates on his projections every podcast all the way out to next Christmas for people being together in different household - every podcast it was a date further out in the future. just changed the date every episode and never mentioned what he was changing or why - it was ridiculous in its randomness and inconsistency.

he fails to properly take account of the effect of the population being vaccinated on the number of deaths and cases. he was still pushing for a zero covid type scenario even as the deaths were basically disappearing as the people who could die from Covid were vaccinated.

he was actually still asking for a 2km radius lockdown again only a couple of months ago.

now he doesn't know what his position is as it was zero covid but that is out the window.

he fails to take account of the fact that in good weather people are outside much more with vastly vastly lower transmission rates.

he consistently claimed that people were not fatigued with lockdowns - eventually he rolled back on this about 2 months ago

he said there would be a big increase in cases when schools reopened.
didn't happen

also ISAG were quoted in internal communications that one of their aims was to "increase fear and uncertainty" in the population - that's what he has been seeking to do all along.

kowloonkev

Tomas Ryan isn't a doom merchant. He just explains how viruses work.

Where are the quotes of where what he said was actually wrong?

Beechwoodspark

glasso wrote: »

yes just Didi Hamann

it was so instantly forgettable that I mistakenly thought that Giles might have been on it.

thought that it was really terrible in comparison to ones from others like "The totally football show" and even OTB.

Let me guess

“Never write off the Germans”

“The English are over hyped “

“The Dutch are all in fighting within the camp”

“The Italians make defending an art “

“Ronaldo is Portugal’s main man”

“Scotland will be like ireland in years gone by”

“Don’t write off <insert relatively obscure Eastern European team> as dark horses”

Have I missed any cliches?

Brackwom

This was the amazing interview. I also enjoyed.

Still Ill

glasso wrote: »

Dunphy favourite type of player is the "honest pro" - usually some guy that he imagines that a limited player like he was himself could have been if he got the breaks.

i.e. he thinks that he could have been Kante for example and loves him as a result

It took him literally 10 years to admit that CR7 was any good and not a "spoofer"

He does love a good swoon over James Milner alright.

Haven't listened to a single Covid podcast at all. I've just no interest in hearing about it anymore. Dunno why anyone would put themselves through it. You hear more than enough about it even if you're actively trying to avoid it. I'll just follow the guidelines and get vaccinated when I get called for it. Thankfully things have improved hugely since the rollout has been ramped up.

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Klonker wrote: »

Yeah, Eamonn himself used to hang on every word Thomas had to say but even he seems a little less interested in what Tomas has had to say on his last few appearances. That's how it sounded to me anyway, less of the "yes, yes" from Eamon :pac:

Eamo used to go on about how Ryan was proved correct in the past but has long given up that ghost

tbh since Eamo has gotten the jab himself to me it seems like he's less interested in Covid doom-mongering imo

Klonker

glasso wrote: »

Thankfully, poor auld Tomas Ryan has been completely off with most of his doom prophecies for months now since vaccines started taking effect in Ireland

For some reason some miserable bastards still cling onto the fear-monger's every word

Yeah, Eamonn himself used to hang on every word Thomas had to say but even he seems a little less interested in what Tomas has had to say on his last few appearances. That's how it sounded to me anyway, less of the "yes, yes" from Eamon :pac:

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Deeper Blue wrote: »

Disagreeing with the ISAG lunatics and their zero covid fear peddling BS is not the same as "putting your head in the sand". But you already know that.

Thankfully, poor auld Tomas Ryan has been completely off with most of his doom prophecies for months now since vaccines started taking effect in Ireland

For some reason some miserable bastards still cling onto the fear-monger's every word

Deeper Blue

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Dunphy was on Newstalk talking football. Said Pogba has never done it in a big match after getting man of the match against Germany and not to mention scoring a goal in a win of cup final. He really does talk nonsense when it comes to football.

That's the way Eamon's mind works:

- Watch a player once or twice
- Make up your mind based on those couple of games
- Keep that opinion for 10+ years regardless of their subsequent performances

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EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Dunphy was on Newstalk talking football. Said Pogba has never done it in a big match after getting man of the match against Germany and not to mention scoring a goal in a win of cup final. He really does talk nonsense when it comes to football.

Dunphy favourite type of player is the "honest pro" - usually some guy that he imagines that a limited player like he was himself could have been if he got the breaks.

i.e. he thinks that he could have been Kante for example and loves him as a result

It took him literally 10 years to admit that CR7 was any good and not a "spoofer"

Robert McGrath

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Dunphy was on Newstalk talking football. Said Pogba has never done it in a big match after getting man of the match against Germany and not to mention scoring a goal in a win of cup final. He really does talk nonsense when it comes to football.

As far as I remember, he was man of the match in the last World Cup final for some newspapers!

Deeper Blue

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

You sound like a government spokesperson, put your head in the sand and hope it all blows over.

Disagreeing with the ISAG lunatics and their zero covid fear peddling BS is not the same as "putting your head in the sand". But you already know that.

EltonJohn69

Dunphy was on Newstalk talking football. Said Pogba has never done it in a big match after getting man of the match against Germany and not to mention scoring a goal in a win of cup final. He really does talk nonsense when it comes to football.

Banana Republic 1

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Biggest reason I stopped listening to the Stand, enough misery in the world

You can stop posting so I suppose