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Minor schemes & realignments

marno21

Here's a thread for discussing minor schemes & realignments, not big enough to deserve their own thread.

News on Radio Kerry this morning about removal of objections to CPOs on the realignment of the Kilderry bends just outside Milltown on the N70.

http://www.radiokerry.ie/news/landowners-withdrawn-their-objection-to-cpo-for-mid-kerry-road-improvement-scheme/

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DumbBrunette

Latest update from Mayo County Council:

N59 Derradda (5km type 3 single) to go to tender in 2021
N60 Heathlawn (4km type 2 single) tender in 'late 2021'
Contractor has commenced works on R312 Glenisland
Bridge scheme.
Revised Preliminary Appraisals have been forwarded to
DTTAS for R332 Kilmaine to Tuam and Cong Outer Relief
Road schemes.

marno21

N16 Drummahan gone to tender.

1.5km of single carriageway

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/181603/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/PublicTenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Also, the N72 Stagmount scheme has commenced construction. Earthworks underway at the eastern and western ends, with a stop go at the western end.

steeler j

Plans for a new junction layout for the top of O'Brien street ,where the the r515 ,r662 and O Connell road meet in Tipperary town, the plans are to be made available to view on the Tipperay county council website

marno21

EPR for N16 Munakill published

http://www.leitrimcoco.ie/eng/News/Brochure.pdf

DumbBrunette

Work to start in September or October on the new GSJ on the N17 at Claremorris

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2021/04/14/autumn-start-for-new-overpass-on-n17/

yew_tree

DumbBrunette wrote: »

Work to start in September or October on the new GSJ on the N17 at Claremorris

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2021/04/14/autumn-start-for-new-overpass-on-n17/

Good news. It’s a very dangerous junction which has been the location of one in particular horrific fatal accident. You would wonder how this junction was designed as such when further up the road the “main” junction into town is designed like motorway turn off.

Even the addition of street lights would have improved it as after dark was 100 times worse. Anyway it’s getting upgraded now.

KrisW1001

I wonder if they will then remove right-turn access from the staggered junctions just north of the new overpass (circled on attached pic) when it's complete.

roadmaster

Plans for Road Improvement works on the N3 in Cavan town from the Kilmore to Cavan Crystal

http://www.cavancoco.ie/n3-dublin-road-schemes.htm

Pete_Cavan

roadmaster wrote: »

Plans for Road Improvement works on the N3 in Cavan town from the Kilmore to Cavan Crystal

http://www.cavancoco.ie/n3-dublin-road-schemes.htm

Not sure how I feel about either of those options tbh. While improving cyclist provision along the east/west Dublin Road (incorporating N3 east of the roundabout and R212 west of it) is desirable, I think replacing the roundabout with a signalised junction could cause more problems than it solves. I'm not sure that providing for full cyclists movements to the N3 northern arm of the roundabout or N55 southern arm is either necessary or desirable. My first instinct is that some form of roundabout should be retained but that better east/west cycling provision be provided through it.

riddlinrussell

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Not sure how I feel about either of those options tbh. While improving cyclist provision along the east/west Dublin Road (incorporating N3 east of the roundabout and R212 west of it) is desirable, I think replacing the roundabout with a signalised junction could cause more problems than it solves. I'm not sure that providing for full cyclists movements to the N3 northern arm of the roundabout or N55 southern arm is either necessary or desirable. My first instinct is that some form of roundabout should be retained but that better east/west cycling provision be provided through it.

The signalised Junction is a big nope, so many car lanes, very hostile for cyclists and peds.

That said I don't know who the hell was in charge of the planned toucan crossings on the roundabout version, why aren't they all in a row instead of the crazy staggering on the slip roads?

Neither is ideal but I think roundabout will be better for peds and cyclists with a few improvements. Ideally you would have an overbridge/underpass for cyclists, at these sizes and traffic volumes the Dutch wouldn't have mixing of modes like the signalised junction does.

yannakis

I think this one fits in this thread too - Proposed Improvements at Newhall Junction (R445 off M7 J10):

Pete_Cavan

riddlinrussell wrote: »

The signalised Junction is a big nope, so many car lanes, very hostile for cyclists and peds.

That said I don't know who the hell was in charge of the planned toucan crossings on the roundabout version, why aren't they all in a row instead of the crazy staggering on the slip roads?

Neither is ideal but I think roundabout will be better for peds and cyclists with a few improvements. Ideally you would have an overbridge/underpass for cyclists, at these sizes and traffic volumes the Dutch wouldn't have mixing of modes like the signalised junction does.

Yes, that is my view too. Option A is going to get someone killed and B is taking a good design but applying it in an unsuitable location. They'd be better off putting the money into building a tunnel under one arm of the roundabout and leaving the roundabout itself as is. Slew the road over to one side and have a bidirectional cycle path on one side.

DumbBrunette

An interesting little row has developed between TII and Mayo NRDO. €35 million for 4km of type 1 single seems quite expensive.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2021/05/20/central-mayo-road-scheme-scaled-back/

serfboard

DumbBrunette wrote: »

An interesting little row has developed between TII and Mayo NRDO. €35 million for 4km of type 1 single seems quite expensive.

https://www.con-telegraph.ie/2021/05/20/central-mayo-road-scheme-scaled-back/

Yeah, €9 million per kilometre? I can understand if this was next to an urban area where the CPOs might add to the cost, but in the middle of Mayo?

And instead of addressing that issue, they just shortened it, so it wouldn't tip over the "major project" budget.

cargo

serfboard wrote: »

Yeah, €9 million per kilometre? I can understand if this was next to an urban area where the CPOs might add to the cost, but in the middle of Mayo?

And instead of addressing that issue, they just shortened it, so it wouldn't tip over the "major project" budget.

I wonder are the including the cost of a railway crossing?

From Google Maps the rail crossing referred to is at road level so they might be taking this under/over which might account for such a large cost on a short scheme. Looks to be a village / loads of junctions to be sorted out here also.

DumbBrunette

There is a bridge planned over the railway AFAIK which would increase the cost, but I'm not sure by how much.

€35m still seems high compared to the total cost of €14m for the recently opened Oran realignment on the N60, which was also 4km of T1SC.

The Manulla project has been in planning as a 4km offline build for years now, so it's a bit strange that the roads design office didn't realise at an earlier stage that this problem would arise.

cargo wrote: »

I wonder are the including the cost of a railway crossing?

From Google Maps the rail crossing referred to is at road level so they might be taking this under/over which might account for such a large cost on a short scheme. Looks to be a village / loads of junctions to be sorted out here also.

Pete_Cavan

Basic outline of the proposed N60 scheme here;

https://www.mayo.ie/national-roads-office/schemes/in-planning/n60-castlebar-balla

They should just go ahead with the northern 2km, eliminate the level crossing and go round Manulla. South of that, the existing road really doesn't look too bad.

riddlinrussell

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Basic outline of the proposed N60 scheme here;

https://www.mayo.ie/national-roads-office/schemes/in-planning/n60-castlebar-balla

They should just go ahead with the northern 2km, eliminate the level crossing and go round Manulla. South of that, the existing road really doesn't look too bad.

Yeah the wording of the article doesn't make it clear what they plan to do "from the level crossing" could mean they won't do the level crossing? It would be better for both road and rail to get that done.

Pete_Cavan

Very minor but Edenderry Inner Relief Road has gone to tender;

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/189614/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Part 8 drawing can be viewed here;

https://www.offaly.ie/eng/Services/Planning/Public-Consultation/Proposed-Part-8-%E2%80%93-Edenderry-Inner-Relief-Road-Project.html

marno21

marno21 wrote: »

Glas Civil Engineering have established a site compound for this scheme now, 60km/h limit in place along this stretch.

Confirmation of their appointment here: https://www.killarneytoday.com/new-footpaths-pedestrian-crossings-bus-stops-and-lighting-promised/

This is now open to traffic. They only started after Christmas!

Fantastic realignment, 1.2km of twisty mess replaced by a well built Type 2 single carriageway. It's the 3km of rubbish west of here that should be examined now.

Donegal Storm

Donegal Storm wrote: »

A couple of small schemes in Letterkenny..

First one involves adding lights to the Polestar roundabout, removing two other roundabouts and adding loads more lovely traffic lights

https://www.donegalcoco.ie/media/donegalcountyc/roads/pdfs/publicconsultation/Letterkenny%20Traffic%20Management%20Project%20Part%208-%20Consultation%20Report.pdf

Second is an upgrade of the Polestar - Dry Arch section of the N13. They seemed to start work on this (all the trees were cut down) but I see main works are now delayed until Q4

https://www.donegaldaily.com/2020/06/09/four-lane-road-scheme-pushed-back-to-late-2020/

Both of these finally appear to be starting.

Saw a site compound set up and chainage markers set out along the N13 earlier so looks like they're ready to get up and running.

Polestar widening also looks to be underway and this road which is seemingly part of the same project was opened to traffic earlier today.

BelfastVanMan

Donegal Storm wrote: »

Both of these finally appear to be starting.

Saw a site compound set up and chainage markers set out along the N13 earlier so looks like they're ready to get up and running.

Polestar widening also looks to be underway and this road which is seemingly part of the same project was opened to traffic earlier today.

I wonder if this will provide any sort of relief to Polestar and Dry Arch roundabouts, or will it simply add to the problem until the N56/N13 projects around here are completed...

marno21

N70 Brackaharagh gone to tender

https://irl.eu-supply.com/ctm/Supplier/PublicPurchase/188185/0/0?returnUrl=ctm/Supplier/publictenders&b=ETENDERS_SIMPLE

Lot of LAs around Ireland that could take a leaf out of Kerry County Council's book.

Donegal Storm

BelfastVanMan wrote: »

I wonder if this will provide any sort of relief to Polestar and Dry Arch roundabouts, or will it simply add to the problem until the N56/N13 projects around here are completed...

I have no idea what the point of the Bonnar Road is, the cynic in me would guess councillors own the land either side and so its in their interest to open up the land for development. I don't see what benefit it has for traffic flow.

As for the Polestar - Dry Arch works, confirmation work is due to start next week..

https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/06/19/four-lane-roadworks-to-begin-next-week/

BelfastVanMan

Donegal Storm wrote: »

I have no idea what the point of the Bonnar Road is, the cynic in me would guess councillors own the land either side and so its in their interest to open up the land for development. I don't see what benefit it has for traffic flow.

As for the Polestar - Dry Arch works, confirmation work is due to start next week..

https://www.donegaldaily.com/2021/06/19/four-lane-roadworks-to-begin-next-week/

Brilliant info, thanks very much.

joujoujou

Anybody knows what's up with N17 repairs in Charlestown, co.Mayo?

It looks like they almost finished and then abandoned the place with a top layer of surface missing.

yannakis

Donegal Storm wrote: »

Both of these finally appear to be starting.

Saw a site compound set up and chainage markers set out along the N13 earlier so looks like they're ready to get up and running.

Polestar widening also looks to be underway and this road which is seemingly part of the same project was opened to traffic earlier today.

I mapped Joe Bonnar Road in in Waze this morning - should be live by Wed/Thu.

Kevwoody

Donegal Storm wrote:

Saw a site compound set up and chainage markers set out along the N13 earlier so looks like they're ready to get up and running.

Slightly pedantic, but this stretch of road is actually now the N56, the N13 doesn't start until the Manor roundabout

BelfastVanMan

Kevwoody wrote: »

Slightly pedantic, but this stretch of road is actually now the N56, the N13 doesn't start until the Manor roundabout

Doesn't the N14 also technically start at Manor?

Despite the signs to the contrary on Port Road..

Kevwoody

BelfastVanMan wrote:

Doesn't the N14 also technically start at Manor?

BelfastVanMan wrote:

Despite the signs to the contrary on Port Road..

Apologies, I got the N13 and N14 mixed up!

It's the N14 that starts in Manor. The section of road that the works are starting on used to be the N14 up until 7 or 8 years ago. The N14 started at the Tesco roundabout in Letterkenny, and went to the Dry Arch roundabout. It skipped the Dual Carriageway (N13) and resumed at the Manor roundabout.

When the changes occurred back then, the N56 which previously started at the Polestar roundabout, now starts at the Dry Arch roundabout.