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The Irish protocol.

downcow

The protocol will be challenged next week in the british high courts.
I am interested in what you guys believe is an appropriate way forward if it is declared illegal, as I have a haunch it will.
Is it appropriate to continue down an illegal road or will it be time for a rethink?

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FileNotFound

AdrianG08 wrote: »

And now as a last resort they want to come and march down here

https://www.newstalk.com/news/unionists-warn-that-protests-will-move-to-dublin-if-ni-protocol-remains-in-place-1212034?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1623927728

Seriously clutching at straws in fairness, last throw of the dice is to hope maybe some hooded youths down here will throw bottles of p*ss at them in order to use this to show the world the big bath southerners are not about equality.

Be hilarious to allow them to march and nobody paid a blind bit of notice, not a single incidence of reaction, people just went about their business.

Why are they not heading over to protest in London? God love them they just want Boris to love them, they should be taking the issue up with their own government who don't give a crap about them.

Couldn't agree more, indifference would be the perfect medicine for the sad drones that walk their yearly wander.

Ignore them and let them realise they are remnants of the past, one we care little about.

Sadly we will likely see a few simple minded thugs play right into their hands.

Seth Brundle

AdrianG08 wrote: »

And now as a last resort they want to come and march down here

https://www.newstalk.com/news/unionists-warn-that-protests-will-move-to-dublin-if-ni-protocol-remains-in-place-1212034?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1623927728

Am I supposed to assume that the protesters are covering their faces because of Covid rather than them being criminals and terrorists?

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briany

FileNotFound wrote: »

Couldn't agree more, indifference would be the perfect medicine for the sad drones that walk their yearly wander.

Ignore them and let them realise they are remnants of the past, one we care little about.

Sadly we will likely see a few simple minded thugs play right into their hands.

If they're hell-bent on sending that protest down to Dublin, a good idea would be to send a counter-demonstration up to Belfast on the same day. If Lurgan says 'No' to a sea border, maybe Dundalk says 'Yes'?

FileNotFound

briany wrote: »

If they're hell-bent on sending that protest down to Dublin, a good idea would be to send a counter-demonstration up to Belfast on the same day. If Lurgan says 'No' to a sea border, maybe Dundalk says 'Yes'?

That would be brilliant.

[Deleted User]

briany wrote: »

If they're hell-bent on sending that protest down to Dublin, a good idea would be to send a counter-demonstration up to Belfast on the same day. If Lurgan says 'No' to a sea border, maybe Dundalk says 'Yes'?

That's a fantastic idea!

CelticRambler

briany wrote: »

If they're hell-bent on sending that protest down to Dublin, a good idea would be to send a counter-demonstration up to Belfast on the same day. If Lurgan says 'No' to a sea border, maybe Dundalk says 'Yes'?

Accompanied, perhaps, by a convoy of food trucks, selling sausages and other chilled foods imported hassle-free from France, Spain, Germany, Poland ...

Larbre34

Great idea, fill Tiger's Bay with people wearing the entire stock of Carroll's Gift Shops warehouse and tell them we aren't leaving!

Junkyard Tom

downcow wrote: »

there is a real possibility Roi will be putting up a hard border to

Where would this border go? Remember now that the British Army had to set up the most expensive helicopter-powered rubbish removal service on Earth for their bases in South Armagh during the worst days of the Troubles.

Here's a little map, maybe you would draw on it where you think a border should go. Somehow I don't think the one million people living in the border counties are going to tolerate reinstating the previous one.

downcow

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Where would this border go? Remember now that the British Army had to set up the most expensive helicopter-powered rubbish removal service on Earth for their bases in South Armagh during the worst days of the Troubles.

Here's a little map, maybe you would draw on it where you think a border should go. Somehow I don't think the one million people living in the border counties are going to tolerate reinstating the previous one.

Yes that would be a conondrum for Roi government

VinLieger

downcow wrote: »

Yes that would be a conondrum for Roi government

Are you saying the UK would not care about policing in anyway their 1 external land border?

FileNotFound

downcow wrote: »

Yes that would be a conondrum for Roi government

As unlikely as a border is, your attitude of UK mess, someone else's problem is funny.

UK made a decision, lets let others fix the F up.

What a sad mentality to have. When this deal was being done I was thinking how good it could be for NI (maybe foolish thoughts), a chance to turn a social welfare crap hole into something of a functioning economy.

Yet it seems the people of NI are too busy living in the past to bother driving any kind of positive approach to this.

FrancieBrady

FileNotFound wrote: »

Yet it seems the people of NI are too busy living in the past to bother driving any kind of positive approach to this.

'Some', people are.

A simple acceptance of the GFA and it's terms as well as it's spirit would have avoided a lot of what we seen.

Something 'some' people were warning about from the get go.

jamule

FileNotFound wrote: »

As unlikely as a border is, your attitude of UK mess, someone else's problem is funny.

UK made a decision, lets let others fix the F up.

What a sad mentality to have. When this deal was being done I was thinking how good it could be for NI (maybe foolish thoughts), a chance to turn a social welfare crap hole into something of a functioning economy.

Yet it seems the people of NI are too busy living in the past to bother driving any kind of positive approach to this.

thats the conundrum, you take the yoikes out of poverty they move more to centre away from dup dinos, its started to happen and its another reason for the panic in the ranks.

Cluedo Monopoly

I cannot believe the amount of chaos being caused by the Irish language up North.
We pander too much to the Irish language down here and it costs a fortune.
Crazy situation to be fighting about it up North.

FrancieBrady

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I cannot believe the amount of chaos being caused by the Irish language up North.
We pander too much to the Irish language down here and it costs a fortune.
Crazy situation to be fighting about it up North.

It's not about language though. It's about supremacy and belligerence. Finally it has come to a head and the suprematists and belligerents have been found out.
There are bilingual signs and Irish all over the north already, and the world hasn't come crashing down.

Kermit.de.frog

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briany

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I cannot believe the amount of chaos being caused by the Irish language up North.
We pander too much to the Irish language down here and it costs a fortune.
Crazy situation to be fighting about it up North.

Why not have another act for the legal status and provision of Scots? That way both sides get something. Hey, why not?

It could be 'An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas?" on one hand, and on the other, "Scooz me pal, but which way to the sheeter?"

FrancieBrady

briany wrote: »

Why not have another act for the legal status and provision of Scots? That way both sides get something. Hey, why not?

It could be 'An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas?" on one hand, and on the other, "Scooz me pal, but which way to the sheeter?"

There was provision.

briany

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There was provision.

Brilliant. Even less wiggle room for the DUP on the matter.

FrancieBrady

briany wrote: »

Brilliant. Even less wiggle room for the DUP on the matter.

There hasn't been wriggle room on it for a long time. The DUP weaponised it themselves and shot themselves in the foot.

bilbot79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There hasn't been wriggle room on it for a long time. The DUP weaponised it themselves and shot themselves in the foot.

They shoot themselves in the foot quite a lot don't they?

Peregrinus

Well, they have to.

They are basically perpetually re-living the Siege of Derry. They are the Righteous Remnant, the besieged community forever demonstrating their virtue by shouting "no surrender!" (and seeing any form of compromise as a surrender). When everybody's against them, they know that they must be Right. And Principled. And True. That's very comforting. It's when everybody's not against them that they feel insecure; they no longer know who they are. That's very scary.

So, they need to pick fights. Preferably monstrously unreasonable fights, so that nobody will side with them. Then they can feel secure again.

runawaybishop

bilbot79 wrote: »

They shoot themselves in the foot quite a lot don't they?

That they do

https://www.thejournal.ie/edwin-poots-resigns-as-dup-leader-5470306-Jun2021/

Edwin Poots announced he is to quit as the party leader after only three weeks in the job, following a party revolt.

[Deleted User]

The Irish Language Act is not a good hill for the DUP to die on.
The fact is the British influence in Ireland has almost killed the language, stopping fairly minimal efforts to preserve it doesn't look good. History certainly won't be kind to those who fight it. Again some unionists are trying to act like the Catholics aren't there at all, that their history and culture means nothing. It's madness, this brand of unionism makes a united Ireland look inevitable.
It is depressing that serious political commentators like Ben Lowry actually oppose it. What hope can there be for a Northern Ireland where actually fighting the preservation of Irish is mainstream?

ArthurDayne

Peregrinus wrote: »

Well, they have to.

They are basically perpetually re-living the Siege of Derry. They are the Righteous Remnant, the besieged community forever demonstrating their virtue by shouting "no surrender!" (and seeing any form of compromise as a surrender). When everybody's against them, they know that they must be Right. And Principled. And True. That's very comforting. It's when everybody's not against them that they feel insecure; they no longer know who they are. That's very scary.

So, they need to pick fights. Preferably monstrously unreasonable fights, so that nobody will side with them. Then they can feel secure again.

This is it really, and similar to a point I was making yesterday. There has always been a real air of arrogance to the DUP, borne out of both a sense of evangelical [self-]righteousness but also a kind of indestructibility — a sense that no matter what scandal they get caught up in, no matter what antiquated social views they get mocked for, no matter what they are told about inevitable United Irelands or the UK not wanting them — when it comes to the crunch of the ballot box, they need only beat the drum and the fear of Republicanism will keep the votes rolling in. They are the Millwall of British and Irish politics — nobody likes them and they don’t care. This arrogance however, from the perspective of a voter who wants nothing more than to save the Union, might be an appealing sign of strength when casting their vote.

But this is probably the first time I have seen the DUP genuinely visibly rattled to the core — and so it is fascinating to watch (and, as someone who grew up with the likes of Jim Wells as local councillors cheerleading the burning of our GAA club’s jerseys, somewhat gratifying). But I am withholding any sense of glee, because it remains to be seen whether we are about to witness Unionism being dragged into the acceptance of reality, or further into the wilderness of recalcitrance.

FrancieBrady

Couple of hundred people turn up to a 'major protest' to listen to lies?

Hardly the heady days of Paisley. Tents to be folded after a few weeks of wrecking their own neighbourhoods in and aroud the glorious 12th?

https://twitter.com/mooreholmes24/status/1406002882156052492

briany

This Holmes's powers of deduction wouldn't be as good as his namesake's, I'd say. Unionism is no longer the dominant political philosophy in Northern Ireland. When you add up the Nationalist MLAs and the non-aligned MLAs, it's not even close. The old majority is gone. So, they no longer can expect the right to tell everyone else in Northern Ireland how the place should be run. If they want rid of the Protocol, they will have to at least get the Alliance party on board, and the Alliance party are unlikely to go with that unless there are sound economic reasons to do so. Until then, they may wind the neck in a bit.

FrancieBrady

Couple of things here, not least the continued Unionist mistake of trusting a word a British PM or SoS tells them but also the inference that they have accepted the Protocol is going nowhere and will accept tweaks.
Will somebody tell them that the facility to make those tweaks were built into the Protocol already? That facility, is being used at the moment as Britain raises concerns and solutions are sought.

https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1407237367195385857

AdrianG08

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Couple of things here, not least the continued Unionist mistake of trusting a word a British PM or SoS tells them but also the inference that they have accepted the Protocol is going nowhere and will accept tweaks.
Will somebody tell them that the facility to make those tweaks were built into the Protocol already? That facility, is being used at the moment as Britain raises concerns and solutions are sought.

https://twitter.com/SJAMcBride/status/1407237367195385857

A significant win for Unionists but he doesn't know what it is yet. Thats gas.

My bet is the UK government are trying to cook up some technicality/language that DUP leaders can sell to LCC as some kind of victory, which changes damn all but allows them to puff their chest out a little.

FrancieBrady

AdrianG08 wrote: »

A significant win for Unionists but he doesn't know what it is yet. Thats gas.

My bet is the UK government are trying to cook up some technicality/language that DUP leaders can sell to LCC as some kind of victory, which changes damn all but allows them to puff their chest out a little.

Not to mention that the guy spouting about 'all the people' is desperate for a 'Unionist' win.

They still haven't quite grasped it.