The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

DUP in turmoil is the sweetner in this deal.

You would think from the celebrations around here that we suddenly had a united Ireland, instead we have a promise from Boris of an Irish Language Act.

The faith in the British is strong among the good republicans.

Looks like Poots did a Collins.

ineedeuro wrote: »

You didn't answer my question
If this was a huge victory for the people of Northern Ireland, when will the parades etc start?

Níl a fhios agam.

gifted

As long as they get off my TV screen I don't care who was appointed to what......

ineedeuro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The bitterness dripping off that post just because nationalists got equal treatment.

A little bit of acceptance of new realities required amongst our southern brethren too it seems.

You didn't answer my question
If this was a huge victory for the people of Northern Ireland, when will the parades etc start?

DUP seem to have accepted the new reality, First and Deputy First Ministers appointed.

ineedeuro wrote: »

I am expecting huge victory parades by the people in Northern Ireland affected by this language act. When do they start do you know?

The bonfires will be lit tonight.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The bitterness dripping off that post just because nationalists got equal treatment.

A little bit of acceptance of new realities required amongst our southern brethren too it seems.

Acceptance of new realities? You have a long way to go.

blanch152 wrote: »

That is Comical Ali funny. Sinn Fein did nothing except run to Daddy in Westminister to protect them from the bad boys. Pathetic really.

Your spin on this is admirable.

SF played them at their own game, cornered them and then used the very thing they were implored to sign up to and observe (the GFA) by the moral grand standers and STILL the bitter recrimination from blanch.

Hilarious to see so much discomfort, I have to say.

ineedeuro wrote: »

I am expecting huge victory parades by the people in Northern Ireland affected by this language act. When do they start do you know?

The bitterness dripping off that post just because nationalists got equal treatment.

A little bit of acceptance of new realities required amongst our southern brethren too it seems.

ineedeuro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Congratulations in order to SF on Acht na Gaeilge. Disgraceful that they had to yet again snooker the British and the DUP on it.

It will be interesting to see if the British live up to it by September but grist to who's mill will it be if they go back on their word?

I am expecting huge victory parades by the people in Northern Ireland affected by this language act. When do they start do you know?

hatrickpatrick

Lynn Boylan taking a high court case against CETA. Personally I reckon it's unlikely that the case will fly since the Oireachtas hasn't actually passed CETA yet, and I was under the impression that one couldn't challenge proposed legislation in court prior to that legislation clearing all five stages in both houses - am I right in thinking that a legal challenge to a piece of legislation more or less has to take place in between that legislation clearing the Oireachtas, and being signed by the President?

Either way, this is a good look for her in terms of capturing the left-wing vote in Dublin Bay South. It seems that those hoping for an FG victory are banking on a Peoples' Front of Judea issue in which the left is broadly split between SF, Labour, SocDems and PBP. Although personally, I've never thought this particularly matters during a by-election, since PR still applies and with only one seat to go for, ultimately every transferrable vote is going to end up mattering. Ultimately, this by-election will swing (in my view) on how the FF transfers work out - in other words, once FF's candidate gets eliminated as is surely a near-certainty, will there be more left-leaning or neoliberal-leaning FF voters in terms of who their next preference of candidate is?

I don't live in Dublin Bay South myself so I'm not sure how much of an election transfer issue Irish Nationalism is likely to be in a by-election there. It's often said that FF to SF transfers are primarily from those who prioritise issues such as reunification, but I'd argue that in this particular case it's a little unique as FF being in coalition with FG is entirely unprecedented, and ultimately how FF's votes transfer will depend on whether there are more FF voters who feel that being in coalition with FG is preferable to being in coalition with SF, or vice versa.

Going to be a nail-biting by-election either way, seems it's genuinely all to play for and could be a very exciting count for the political junkies amongst us

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Congratulations in order to SF on Acht na Gaeilge. Disgraceful that they had to yet again snooker the British and the DUP on it.

It will be interesting to see if the British live up to it by September but grist to who's mill will it be if they go back on their word?

That is Comical Ali funny. Sinn Fein did nothing except run to Daddy in Westminister to protect them from the bad boys. Pathetic really.

Your spin on this is admirable.

jm08 wrote: »

I'd be careful what you say here Blanch - they also seem to have some expertise in defamation law!

I don't think there is a chance of them suing me anytime soon. Civil standards of proof apply to defamation law, that is why Gerry Adams never sued anyone who said he was a member of the PIRA.

Furze99 wrote: »

Do you really think that the London government will try and enact a Languages Act over the heads of Unionists and against their wishes?? You could argue that it might suit the DUP for it to be imposed on them. More realistically it will both bring down the NI administration and bring crowds onto the streets. The only way such an Act can be brought in is with agreement across all communities.

Did you think Boris would have brought in a Sea border after what was said and what happened?

If the British think it is expedient it will happen. If it doesn't then it is just more win win for nationalists.

Stop and think of the absolute bind the Unionists have gotten themselves into here.

We'll know in 90 mins when the nominations are due. Leaked email appears to state Poots never consulted with his party regarding this,

Furze99

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Elaborate on that? Why 'no way'?

Do you really think that the London government will try and enact a Languages Act over the heads of Unionists and against their wishes?? You could argue that it might suit the DUP for it to be imposed on them. More realistically it will both bring down the NI administration and bring crowds onto the streets. The only way such an Act can be brought in is with agreement across all communities.

drdidlittle wrote: »

Would the Brexit outcome and NI Protocol be different now if SF had used its seats in Westminster? Able to use London when it suits!

Nope. Over a hundred MPs in the difference,

drdidlittle

Would the Brexit outcome and NI Protocol be different now if SF had used its seats in Westminster? Able to use London when it suits!

DUP imploding also. Win/win for SF.

padd b1975 wrote: »

Jaysus, Shinners running crying to Westminster!!!

For what died the son's of Róisín???

Using the GFA which they were involved in the design of and which they signed up to, to snooker Unionism and the British into living up to?

I suggest you come out of the 1970's and 80's and realise and accept how far forward things have come.

Furze99 wrote: »

Gone behind the DUPers backs - a great recipe for peace and co-operation. You'd think both governments would be very vary of this, the Brits really are a bit stupid. Points of commonality between the communities need to be sought out, no points of difference that entrench.

Anyway kick the can down the road to September and cue the inevitable resistance from unionism in general towards this act. No way Westminster can enact this like gay rights. So it'll all blow up again and they'll go storming off to the polls.

Elaborate on that? Why 'no way'?

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

You need to be careful around here from now on.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/on-your-bike-cycling-accident-legal-firm-in-sinn-fein-challenge-to-trade-deal-40544617.html

Sinn Fein have started using an ambulance-chasing law firm so who knows who'll be sued next.

I'd be careful what you say here Blanch - they also seem to have some expertise in defamation law!

Furze99

padd b1975 wrote: »

Jaysus, Shinners running crying to Westminster!!!

Gone behind the DUPers backs - a great recipe for peace and co-operation. You'd think both governments would be very vary of this, the Brits really are a bit stupid. Points of commonality between the communities need to be sought out, no points of difference that entrench.

Anyway kick the can down the road to September and cue the inevitable resistance from unionism in general towards this act. No way Westminster can enact this like gay rights. So it'll all blow up again and they'll go storming off to the polls.

padd b1975

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just breaking now British Govt will enact Irish Act and SF have nominated Michelle O Neill as joint minister.

Jaysus, Shinners running crying to Westminster!!!

For what died the son's of Róisín???

Congratulations in order to SF on Acht na Gaeilge. Disgraceful that they had to yet again snooker the British and the DUP on it.

It will be interesting to see if the British live up to it by September but grist to who's mill will it be if they go back on their word?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nolan will be fun tomorrow.

Never thought of that!!

Fann Linn wrote: »

Just breaking now British Govt will enact Irish Act and SF have nominated Michelle O Neill as joint minister.

Nolan will be fun tomorrow.

Just breaking now British Govt will enact Irish Act and SF have nominated Michelle O Neill as joint minister.