The Tipperary GAA Discussion Thread

formerlyET · 13-06-2021 11:48pm

Ompala wrote: »

Haven't seen any of the game (I know, a sin!) so can only go by match reports.
Seemed it was nip and tuck until the 3rd quarter, then we Waterford took over and that was the winning of it, we were playing catch up after that.
Not a terrible position to be in coming into Championship with items to work on (every team has them) but I'll have to watch the game before commenting fully.
As a matter of interest, anyone know what our wide count was today?

Don't know the exact wide tally - but we had less wides. We were poor in between the two 65s that's for sure. Well, beat in the middle third.

Waterford dropped Peter Hogan back deep.

Ompala · 14-06-2021 12:03am

formerlyET wrote: »

Don't know the exact wide tally - but we had less wides. We were poor in between the two 65s that's for sure. Well, beat in the middle third.

Waterford dropped Peter Hogan back deep.

Never seen Peter Hogan play that way before, but open to correction if he has for either Ballygunner or Waterford. Plenty to ponder for the half back line as it is probably set that way for championship so be concerning if they were massively overrun (but if you are losing in the other 2 lines, that one is obviously going to suffer)

From 8- 12 is still prone to tinkering. We've been warned what to expect in 3 weeks time, irrespective of who wins between Clare and Waterford as theyboth seem to play the same way.

14-06-2021 7:12am

Pogue eile wrote: »

See if you are going to talk pure and utter tripe its very hard to take anything you say serioulsly.

A match day 20? Not really sure what that is to be honest, but anyway can you please name the players in the Tipp panel who would 'not trouble club teams' ??

Match day 20 would obviously be the twenty or so players that Tipp use most days out . And no , I won’t name players , but I stand by what I say because I’ve seen most of them play club and inter county.

Pogue eile · 14-06-2021 7:31am

Ompala wrote: »

Haven't seen any of the game (I know, a sin!) so can only go by match reports.
Seemed it was nip and tuck until the 3rd quarter, then we Waterford took over and that was the winning of it, we were playing catch up after that.
Not a terrible position to be in coming into Championship with items to work on (every team has them) but I'll have to watch the game before commenting fully.
As a matter of interest, anyone know what our wide count was today?

6 wides in total, 2 in the first half and four in the second.

Much improved in that regard.

formerlyET · 14-06-2021 12:33pm

Bubbles did a lot of running after the game with Cairbre Ó Cairealláin - so, he must be coming right.

Ompala · 14-06-2021 2:12pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

6 wides in total, 2 in the first half and four in the second.

Much improved in that regard.

Thats something encouraging from the game so.
Sunday Game didn't give much coverage to it last night, but from watching the highlights one of Waterfords goals could have been avoided. Good discussion given here at around the 28:25 mark on OurGame
https://youtu.be/JsuhSMhSX6A
Did mention a lack of back tracking and delivery of the ball into forwards as being particularly poor from Tipp.

Pogue eile · 15-06-2021 12:08pm

Ompala wrote: »

Thats something encouraging from the game so.
Sunday Game didn't give much coverage to it last night, but from watching the highlights one of Waterfords goals could have been avoided. Good discussion given here at around the 28:25 mark on OurGame
https://youtu.be/JsuhSMhSX6A
Did mention a lack of back tracking and delivery of the ball into forwards as being particularly poor from Tipp.

To be fair Waterford could have scored 5 or 6 goals and we could have had no complaints.

Funnily enough I actually thought the backs did reasonably well considering the pressure they were under - we were totally out of the game from 8-12 with none of them tracking the runners.

Barret was nearly the worst of the backs which is very surprising but he did get a nasty bang to the head - not sure why he came back on considering he has played every second of the league.

I put up my preferred 15 a week or so ago but after watching Sunday I think I would definitely make a few changes - a mid field of Flynn and Cadell is definitely too open - either Dan Mc in place of Cadell or Willie Conners in as a third midfielder would be my current thinking. Maybe if Brian O'Meara is back in contention then Brendan Maher could move to MF.

Plenty of food for thought for Liam and co after Sunday but also a good lesson learned - I thought it was telling that I have never seen him an calm on a sideline, especially in defeat, he never moved a muscle which tells its own story.

Joe_ Public · 15-06-2021 12:26pm

I think supply to forwards and tracking runners are the two key points to focus on, much more pertinent than the repeated focus on pace or age. Not tracking runners is what almost killed us in the 2019 sf, we could definitely be vulnerable to teams playing that style if not sufficiently set up to counter it. Some of that depends on supply too, the poorer it is, the more susceptible we are to counters where our midfield and backs get swamped and then blamed for lack of pace!

Also of the view we might need either Dan or Brendan in the middle. I'd probably opt for Bren on the basis i think Dan's qualities might be more urgently required on the wing. We could do with at least one of the younger lads taking a leap forward this summer and making a statement, for sure.

Pogue eile · 16-06-2021 11:11am

Pogue eile wrote: »

Today was a better day for Liam Sheedy than it was for Liam Cahill when you consider Austin Gleeson having to leave the field injured two weeks before they face Clare in the championship.

And it has now been confirmed that Prunty and Fives are out for the Clare game and Gleeson is a serious doubt.

Bigger picture people!!

Ompala · 16-06-2021 7:41pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I think supply to forwards and tracking runners are the two key points to focus on, much more pertinent than the repeated focus on pace or age. Not tracking runners is what almost killed us in the 2019 sf, we could definitely be vulnerable to teams playing that style if not sufficiently set up to counter it. Some of that depends on supply too, the poorer it is, the more susceptible we are to counters where our midfield and backs get swamped and then blamed for lack of pace!

Also of the view we might need either Dan or Brendan in the middle. I'd probably opt for Bren on the basis i think Dan's qualities might be more urgently required on the wing. We could do with at least one of the younger lads taking a leap forward this summer and making a statement, for sure.

Good post, would agree with that. I think we need to keep Breen midfield as the constant chopping and changing of him doesn't do him any good. He is most familiar at midfield and has the engine for it. Dan is also most familiar at wing forward amd has a big physical presence up there which is needed. Brian McGrath seems most likely of the younger crop. O Mara might be in discussion too if he wasn't injured.

Pogue eile wrote: »

And it has now been confirmed that Prunty and Fives are out for the Clare game and Gleeson is a serious doubt.

Bigger picture people!!

100% - no one will remember the league game if they meet in championship, but it has given our lads sn experience of what to expect if they meet. Lessons need to be learned from it all the same. Thankfully all look to have come through unscathed on our side.

formerlyET · 16-06-2021 10:33pm

What kind of set up or runner trap/protection do Tipp need to set up on opposition puck outs - rather than their own puck out - personally, I think Barry Hogan should be selected due to the speed of his puck out. Brian takes his time - giving teams too much time to reset.
I'd say we'll see a set up like this for opposition puck outs come championship - (obviously it will be very different on our own puck outs):
Barry Hogan
C BARRETT Pauric Maher Barry Heff
Niall O’Meara Willy Connors
Ronan Maher Seamus Kennedy Brendan Maher
Dan McC

Flynn
Callanan Noel McG
Bubbles Jason Forde

Rasputin11 · 16-06-2021 11:01pm

Niall O Meara out of the opener after having his appendix removed, he never has any luck with injuries and now illness.

formerlyET · 16-06-2021 11:18pm

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Niall O Meara out of the opener after having his appendix removed, he never has any luck with injuries and now illness.

Jesus, will an appendix keep him out that long?
He is terribly unlucky.

Mantis Toboggan · 17-06-2021 6:45am

formerlyET wrote: »

Jesus, will an appendix keep him out that long?
He is terribly unlucky.

Yeah Sheedy said he's most likely out of the semi final, bubbles also.

formerlyET · 17-06-2021 12:26pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Yeah Sheedy said he's most likely out of the semi final, bubbles also.

Christ.

The GAA Hour we're taking the piss out of Sheedy for talking about a training block and using it as an excuse.

Rasputin11 · 17-06-2021 1:32pm

formerlyET wrote: »

Christ.

The GAA Hour we're taking the piss out of Sheedy for talking about a training block and using it as an excuse.

Wooly and Hayes? They'd certainly no more about preparing teams than Liam Sheedy!

Ompala · 18-06-2021 6:24pm

formerlyET wrote: »

What kind of set up or runner trap/protection do Tipp need to set up on opposition puck outs - rather than their own puck out - personally, I think Barry Hogan should be selected due to the speed of his puck out. Brian takes his time - giving teams too much time to reset.
I'd say we'll see a set up like this for opposition puck outs come championship - (obviously it will be very different on our own puck outs):
Barry Hogan
C BARRETT Pauric Maher Barry Heff
Niall O’Meara Willy Connors
Ronan Maher Seamus Kennedy Brendan Maher
Dan McC

Flynn
Callanan Noel McG
Bubbles Jason Forde

Would say Flynn would be back there ahead of O'Meara. If he is a starter, might be worth having John McGrath drift out to the middle as a link man for the forwards. He did well in that role in 2019 all ireland. It does rob having him so close to goal though. I think Forde could do that job if needed too. I would also go for Barry over Brian.

Lost Ormond · 21-06-2021 8:29pm

Club draws made tonight
intermediate football
group 1
Grangemockler Ballyneale, Clonmel Og, Mullinahone
Group 2
Fethard, Golden Kilfeacle, Clonmel Commercials, Loughmore
Group 3
Galtee Rovers, Drom & Inch, Fr Sheehys, Cashel King Cormacs
Group 4
Moyle Rovers, JK Brackens, Borrisokane, Clonoulty

Intermediate Hurling
Group 1
Moyne Templetuohy, Borrisokane, Drom Inch, Cappawhite
Group 2
Knockavilla Kickhams, Carrick Davins, Ballybacon Grange, Moneygall
Group 3
Boherlahan Dualla, Golden Kilfeacle, Moyle Rovers, Kilsheelan Kilcash
Group 4
Ballingarry, Jnr Champions, Ballinahinch, Shannon Rovers

Seamus O Riain
Group 1
Burgess, Thurles Sarsfields, Carrick Swans, Kiladangan
Group 2
Newport, Templederry, Silvermines, Clonakenny
Group 3
Killenaule, Gortnahoe-Glenagoole, Sean Treacys, Ballina
Group 4
Lorrha, Portroe, St Marys, Cashel King Cormacs

Senior Football
Group 1
Moyle Rovers, Cahir, Aherlow, Upperchurch
Group 2
Kilsheelan Kilcash, Ballyporeen, Eire Og Annacarthy, Moyne Templetuohy
Group 3
Clonmel Commercials, Arravale Rovers, Ardfinnan, Moycarkey Borris
Group 4
Loughmore, JK Brackens, Killenaule, Rockwell Rovers

Dan Breen
Group 1
Thurles Sarsfields, Drom and Inch, Upperchurch, Eire Og Annacarthy
Group 2
Clonoulty, Toome, Holycross, Mullinahone
Group 3
Kildangan, Loughmore, JK Brackens, Moycarkey
Group 4
Borrisoleigh, Nenagh, Kilruane, Roscrea

Rasputin11 · 22-06-2021 1:06pm

I've heard the Knockavilla saga is rumbling on. Browne and Devon Ryan might not be available for Tipp U20 selection in a few weeks time.

Pogue eile · 22-06-2021 2:51pm

Rasputin11 wrote: »

I've heard the Knockavilla saga is rumbling on. Browne and Devon Ryan might not be available for Tipp U20 selection in a few weeks time.

Yes it has been appealed by Knockavilla - allegedly the appeal is in their name only!

Podge1972 · 24-06-2021 3:12pm

On this weeks Podcast

We discuss the ongoing Browne/Ryan saga.

We speak to Clare's Colin Ryan ahead of Clare v Waterford

And we have a stab at picking Tipperarys starting 15 v the winners of that game.

Click on the website and hit whatever format you want to listen in on.

https://thepremierviewpodcast.com

formerlyET · 24-06-2021 10:37pm

Knockavilla need to knock this on the head now. The move has been granted to the players - the players will not play for the club.
What do the club think they're going to achieve? Where do they think it's going to go from here? It just looks like their trying to hold up the players' career now - it's getting beyond bitter.

25-06-2021 12:22am

formerlyET wrote: »

Knockavilla need to knock this on the head now. The move has been granted to the players - the players will not play for the club.
What do the club think they're going to achieve? Where do they think it's going to go from here? It just looks like their trying to hold up the players' career now - it's getting beyond bitter.

I couldn't agree more. They are like a jilted wife cutting up the clothes, throwing them out the window, and stopping the husband from seeing the kids. It's actually embarrassing the way they are behaving and almost vindicates why these lads wanted to leave to begin with. 5 players would not decide to just up sticks and leave for the rivals if they hadnt a fairly solid reason. I cant imagine a similar outcome, for example, where five Mullinahone players would move to Killenaule or vice-versa unless there was a huge fallout. Maybe Kickhams should just take a deep breath and actually learn from the experience instead of showing themselves up. if they persist with this, their club could face further problems down the track. We are not talking about Declan Rice/Jack Grealish type characters here, we are talking about local lads who have suddenly decided to leave their club for their bitter rivals... this couldn't have been an easy decision.

And it shines a bad light on the game itself. Any parent looking at that wont send their kid into the local field when they see these wagons are running the show.

Pogue eile · 25-06-2021 8:49am

Can't agree lads, this has nothing to do with the actual case at hand, this is soley about the parish rule now and that is why this appeal is taking place and why I suggested its not actually Knockavilla who are behind the appeal.

If this case is allowed to go through then the precedent is catastrophic for all smaller clubs, the parish rule is the bedrock of the GAA and if it goes then it is a slippery slope for the GAA and another step towards professionalism.

johnb25 · 25-06-2021 10:41am

Deleted User wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. They are like a jilted wife cutting up the clothes, throwing them out the window, and stopping the husband from seeing the kids. It's actually embarrassing the way they are behaving and almost vindicates why these lads wanted to leave to begin with. 5 players would not decide to just up sticks and leave for the rivals if they hadnt a fairly solid reason. I cant imagine a similar outcome, for example, where five Mullinahone players would move to Killenaule or vice-versa unless there was a huge fallout. Maybe Kickhams should just take a deep breath and actually learn from the experience instead of showing themselves up. if they persist with this, their club could face further problems down the track. We are not talking about Declan Rice/Jack Grealish type characters here, we are talking about local lads who have suddenly decided to leave their club for their bitter rivals... this couldn't have been an easy decision.

And it shines a bad light on the game itself. Any parent looking at that wont send their kid into the local field when they see these wagons are running the show.

The appeal has nothing to do with the players in question; it is about the ruling handed down, and the implications it has for other clubs going forward. And as others have said, it is not the club driving it.

MilfordBud · 25-06-2021 11:00am

johnb25 wrote: »

The appeal has nothing to do with the players in question; it is about the ruling handed down, and the implications it has for other clubs going forward. And as others have said, it is not the club driving it.

Correct. They're two parishes over from me and I would have lots of friends within the club. The club had no interest in pursuing this any further and are happy to be rid of the lads by all accounts. County board want it appealed because of the implications it might have for parish rule so Kickham's are the vehicle for this appeal. Might be short term pain but will very much be long term gain for the club given the personalities involved.

formerlyET · 25-06-2021 11:20am

Pogue eile wrote: »

Can't agree lads, this has nothing to do with the actual case at hand, this is soley about the parish rule now and that is why this appeal is taking place and why I suggested its not actually Knockavilla who are behind the appeal.

If this case is allowed to go through then the precedent is catastrophic for all smaller clubs, the parish rule is the bedrock of the GAA and if it goes then it is a slippery slope for the GAA and another step towards professionalism.

So you think that players will queue up to leave their clubs after this saga? Wouldn't it be the opposite?

Westside column sums it up:
"Neither was the Kickhams club well pleased and they’ve now taken the case a step further with a counter appeal to the Munster Council.
The saga continues and, meanwhile, the players remain in limbo.
This case gets more complicated and confusing as it moves from one committee to another. The transfers were initially refused in Tipperary because they were seen to be in breach of the county bye laws relating to the parish rule.
Remember, the transfer requests didn’t use residence as their basis of appeal but rather the extreme circumstances of an irretrievable breakdown of relationships between the players and their club.
The DRA found against that ruling by Tipperary, suggesting that there ought to be an avenue for transfer when relationships have irretrievably broken down and that the bye laws relating to the parish rule should be revisited, and presumably reinterpreted by the county.
In effect it was a ruling that the county bye laws in their present guise should not be a bar to such transfers.
Last week’s Kerry committee effectively endorsed that DRA decision by stating that “the Tipperary bye laws 2021 do not, per se, set out any criteria regarding transfers within the county.”
To many observers that reads like an extraordinary statement. We had always understood that the rule essentially confined players to their home parish or the one they were resident in, but now it appears to do nothing of the sort.
What exactly needs to be changed in the bye law isn’t clear but already there’s mention of the County Board revisiting the rule book to tighten the regulations for future years.
The worry of some, no doubt exaggerated, is that this decision, particularly relating to irretrievable breakdown, could create a free-for-all.
What constitutes irretrievable breakdown is, I suppose, a subjective judgment and it seemed at face value to lower the bar for future transfers.
However, the notion that this judgment could lead to wholesale movement of players is surely way off the mark.
The GAA culture is still very much anchored in parish and community and that’s not going to change, even if some individual cases may use this judgment as a precedent.
In all of this, it seems, the Kickhams club felt that their side wasn’t given due acknowledgment.
The breakdown wasn’t irretrievable in their eyes, the door still open for the players to return to the colours, however improbable that might seem to outside observers.
They’ve taken their annoyance now to Munster Council. I’m not sure it’s the wisest move. There’s a time to let go and move on. There’s been enough water under the bridge on this issue thus far, so perhaps it’s appropriate to call time on any further aggravation.
The club had a rousing win over Cappawhite last Saturday in the belated 2020 West intermediate final, no doubt fired by recent events.
It might be wise to keep the spotlight on the playing pitch."

formerlyET · 25-06-2021 11:34am

James Woodlock and coach / selectors Conor O’Brien, Brendan Ferris, Damien Ryan and Cormac McGrath have named the following Minor panel:

Adam Brannigan, St Marys
Mason Cawley, Nenagh Eire Óg
Jack Collins, Ballina
Sean Collins, Templederry Kenyons
Ronan Connolly, Cashel King Cormacs
Ben Currivan, Golden Kilfeacle
Tom Delaney, Cahir
Joe Egan, Moycarkey Borris
Cathal English, Fr Sheehys
Dylan Fogarty, Boherlahan Dualla
Ciaran Foley, Borrisokane
Darragh Guinan, Lorrha Dorrha
Owen Harrigan, Carrick Swans
Philip Hayes, Durlas Óg
Eoin Horgan, Knockavilla Donaskeigh Kickhams
Orrin Jones, Knockavilla Donaskeigh Kickhams
Jimmie Lahart, Holycross-Ballycahill
Oisin Maher, Cahir
Conor Martin, Cappawhite
Darragh McCarthy, Toomevara
Paddy McCormack, Borris-Ileigh
David McGrath, Cashel King Cormacs
Darragh Minogue, Durlas Óg
Chris O’Donnell, Ballylooby Castlegrace
Sam O’Farrell, Nenagh Eire Óg
Paddy Phelan, Upperchurch-Drombane
Jack Quinlan, Fethard
Daniel Rossiter, Durlas Óg
Sean Ryan, Upperchurch-Drombane
Tauri Shayanewako, Nenagh Eire Óg
Stephen Walsh, Moycarkey Borris
Ciaran Woodlock, Durlas Óg

Pogue eile · 25-06-2021 11:41am

formerlyET wrote: »

So you think that players will queue up to leave their clubs after this saga? Wouldn't it be the opposite?

Of course it will lead to other players leaving their parent clubs if they think it will improve and enhance their intercounty ambitions.

Why would it be the opposite?

This decision and thus precedence has opened a door that was previously shut.

formerlyET · 25-06-2021 12:02pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Of course it will lead to other players leaving their parent clubs if they think it will improve and enhance their intercounty ambitions.

Why would it be the opposite?

This decision and thus precedence has opened a door that was previously shut.

These players are already intercounty players and are not moving for that reason.

Do you realise how long this has dragged on? The time. The money. The negative press. And as in my previous post, the rule book is set to be addressed again. You're running away with assumptions that haven't happened yet.

Pogue eile · 25-06-2021 12:16pm

formerlyET wrote: »

Do you realise how long this has dragged on? The time. The money. The negative press. And as in my previous post, the rule book is set to be addressed again. You're running away with assumptions that haven't happened yet.

All what you are saying is because it was an unprecedented case, once the precedent has been set then any similar application will be granted without any of the process that had to be worked through in this case.

And quite frankly if you are using Westside as your source there is no hope!

formerlyET · 25-06-2021 12:46pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

All what you are saying is because it was an unprecedented case, once the precedent has been set then any similar application will be granted without any of the process that had to be worked through in this case.

And quite frankly if you are using Westside as your source there is no hope!

And as in my previous post, the rule book is set to be addressed again.

Westside gives a fairly nuanced account.

25-06-2021 7:51pm

It’s probably a generation thing . Younger players might not take the auld parish things as seriously as the older generation. Years ago if a guy moved from his team to a neighboring parish for the sake of medals, he’d hear it in every game he’d play especially from the sidelines

25-06-2021 8:29pm

1373 wrote: »

It’s probably a generation thing . Younger players might not take the auld parish things as seriously as the older generation. Years ago if a guy moved from his team to a neighboring parish for the sake of medals, he’d hear it in every game he’d play especially from the sidelines

I think this is a lazy assumption about young players. We'd have had an exodus a long time ago if this was the case. Plus if it was a case of moving for medals, they could do a lot better than Cashel who has more traditionally been an oval ball town aside from a purple patch in the 80s/90s

25-06-2021 8:33pm

formerlyET wrote: »

And as in my previous post, the rule book is set to be addressed again.

Westside gives a fairly nuanced account.

I don't pay too much heed to Westside after one of his recent articles. He was bemoaning the fact that Tipperary no longer wins the league regularly :rolleyes:

6 All-Ireland final appearances (plus a replay) since 2010 with 3 wins (and a poc away from a fourth) apparently isnt enough. We have to be winning a trophy that is so important, that they didn't even play a final this year and declared joint winners. Ludicrous

25-06-2021 8:39pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Can't agree lads, this has nothing to do with the actual case at hand, this is soley about the parish rule now and that is why this appeal is taking place and why I suggested its not actually Knockavilla who are behind the appeal.

If this case is allowed to go through then the precedent is catastrophic for all smaller clubs, the parish rule is the bedrock of the GAA and if it goes then it is a slippery slope for the GAA and another step towards professionalism.

Most of these youngsters can't drive so they will be relying on mothers and fathers to be willing to drive them a few miles further which in most cases won't be a runner. My own parish is 20 miles from Clonmel and 16 from Carrick so i wont imagine many kids will be getting notions within the club to join Commercials or St Marys, Swan or Davins unless they get really pissed off, and in that case they'll join a neighbouring club (which never happens)

This particular case was borne out of a fall out within the club. Its an insult to the players to suggest that they are merely motivated by playing for clubs in rural areas. id be surprised if this becomes a thing.

Pogue eile · 25-06-2021 9:40pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think this is a lazy assumption about young players. We'd have had an exodus a long time ago if this was the case. Plus if it was a case of moving for medals, they could do a lot better than Cashel who has more traditionally been an oval ball town aside from a purple patch in the 80s/90s

Cashel was the fifth club they approached, all of the other four quite rightly told them where to go. Besides i wasnt suggesting this was done for medals at all, however once the precedent is set that the parish rule no longer exists then of course you will have players moving for medals.

Pogue eile · 25-06-2021 9:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't pay too much heed to Westside after one of his recent articles. He was bemoaning the fact that Tipperary no longer wins the league regularly :rolleyes:

6 All-Ireland final appearances (plus a replay) since 2010 with 3 wins (and a poc away from a fourth) apparently isnt enough. We have to be winning a trophy that is so important, that they didn't even play a final this year and declared joint winners. Ludicrous

Westside hasnt had anything meaningful to say for over 15 years, facts are regularly ignored as well when they dont fit his rhetoric.

Mantis Toboggan · 25-06-2021 9:46pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

Cashel was the fifth club they approached, all of the other four quite rightly told them where to go. Besides i wasnt suggesting this was done for medals at all, however once the precedent is set that the parish rule no longer exists then of course you will have players moving for medals.

Where are you seeing that it was the 5th club?

formerlyET · 25-06-2021 9:49pm

I'm not talking about Westside's hurling analysis - just his bit on this case. Which is a lot more nuanced than his usual column.

BUt it might suit some posters to conflate the two when they have no actual facts or anything of substance to add - other than to offer a point that was valid at the outset of this case and is longer valid. The parish rule has been well and truly protected and it's value underlined again and again since this first cropped up. And the rule book will be looked after this is all over.
And that's the most important thing that has come out of this case - just how open the rule was to interpretation and not the bolt tight rule they thought it was.

Pogue eile · 25-06-2021 9:59pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Where are you seeing that it was the 5th club?

I am familiar with the case and the individuals involved, one of the clubs wasnt even in Tipp!

Cashel will regret this big time and there is already a massive divide within the club over it and they havent even lined out for them yet.

Mantis Toboggan · 25-06-2021 10:02pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

I am familiar with the case and the individuals involved, one of the clubs wasnt even in Tipp!

Cashel will regret this big time and there is already a massive divide within the club over it and they havent even lined out for them yet.

I'd heard boherlahan were sounded out but what were the others?

Hopefully the lads can get back to playing hurling, fancy Cashel to be competitive in the west this year.

25-06-2021 10:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think this is a lazy assumption about young players. We'd have had an exodus a long time ago if this was the case. Plus if it was a case of moving for medals, they could do a lot better than Cashel who has more traditionally been an oval ball town aside from a purple patch in the 80s/90s

It’s not lazy, it’s the way it is now. My own club have had players come and players go , it’s not a big deal anymore. Only difference here is the numbers involved. If a fringe player left our club,while disappointing, it would be accepted. If an inter county player asked to transfer, I don’t think it would be so smooth

Pogue eile · 25-06-2021 10:22pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

I'd heard boherlahan were sounded out but what were the others?

Hopefully the lads can get back to playing hurling, fancy Cashel to be competitive in the west this year.

One other mid tipp club and one in the south, the other was a Limerick club.

It's one thing saying that it will be great to see them back playing, but what about the 5 Cashel lads who have given all their career to their own club and will now be cast aside for 5 outsiders, are the Brownes/Ryans more important because they have represented Tipp?

25-06-2021 11:51pm

Pogue eile wrote: »

One other mid tipp club and one in the south, the other was a Limerick club.

It's one thing saying that it will be great to see them back playing, but what about the 5 Cashel lads who have given all their career to their own club and will now be cast aside for 5 outsiders, are the Brownes/Ryans mor. e important because they have represented Tipp?

Well, another way of looking at it maybe the competition will be more intense and it could bring Cashel on another 10%. Better players around you make a better panel. What i would be afraid of is that it may not work out for the lads and they may not be able to go back.

Look, its a meritocracy at the end of the day and you might think local lads should get preference but there is no hesitation from local lads to tell other local lads if they dont deem them good enough. Moving to other clubs not a big thing. Christy Ring moved from Cloyne to the Glen in Cork, Liam Devanney moved to The Sars from Borrisilleagh. its nothing new.

if you foster a good culture within a club they will stay forever. Just ask Loughmore.

25-06-2021 11:57pm

1373 wrote: »

It’s not lazy, it’s the way it is now. My own club have had players come and players go , it’s not a big deal anymore. Only difference here is the numbers involved. If a fringe player left our club,while disappointing, it would be accepted. If an inter county player asked to transfer, I don’t think it would be so smooth

And this is why I take no notice of the whole 'representing the parish/brotherhood' nonsense. It's mere fluff. If you are the family you claim you are, then no one will want to leave

Mantis Toboggan · 26-06-2021 7:11am

Pogue eile wrote: »

One other mid tipp club and one in the south, the other was a Limerick club.

It's one thing saying that it will be great to see them back playing, but what about the 5 Cashel lads who have given all their career to their own club and will now be cast aside for 5 outsiders, are the Brownes/Ryans more important because they have represented Tipp?

But players transfer all the time, I myself transferred twice before hanging up the hurley. Clubs I joined were delighted and weren't too worried about one of their own having to sit on the bench.

formerlyET · 27-06-2021 7:36pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

But players transfer all the time, I myself transferred twice before hanging up the hurley. Clubs I joined were delighted and weren't too worried about one of their own having to sit on the bench.

That's a fact. Players transfer all the time.

formerlyET · 27-06-2021 7:43pm

Clare next week.

Lohan is a clever buck. There was a season at UL, in his time there, where he played Forde at CB for UL (think it was 2014). He obviously likes a ball player there.

He stuck with Conlon despite criticism, and it worked.

It'll be interesting to see where he plays Kelly the next day. Amazing hurler. Lohan is putting together a good team there.

Hope to see a proactive game plan from Tipp that makes the opposition think the next day, especially post the water breaks, rather than our conservative and reactionary approach to what the opposition are doing, of late.

farmerval · 27-06-2021 7:52pm

Strangely both teams looked very undercooked or not sharp today, considering most people would have thought they both had the perfect end to the league, both finishing out with strong wins over Tipp and Kilkenny.

Whatever way Tipp line out the next day I'll be nervous if Paidi is full back. I really think he's not made to be a full back.

It was funny watching the game today, very few goal chances, the Waterford half forward line was missing in action a lot, their full forward line never got going, never got a service, really strange game. The wides for both sides seemed to suck the life out of it all the time.

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