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Random EV thoughts.....

Old diesel

The main motors forum has the motors chat thread for the little things one would like to say but might not justify a thread.

Thought it might be an idea for here re hybrids and EV stuff.....

To kick off - i wonder if a new measurement for EVs might be assuming a start trip at 100 percent......

A how much range do you get with a 15 minute stop.

With a 350 kw charging a Porsche Tayman might do very well with getting on for 400 miles...

A Leaf 62 not so good.

Obviously where a car can do more then 50 kw charging we would need both a 50 kw and a whatever the cars top rate is figure*.

*IF chargers are available

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the_amazing_raisin

VW T7 7 seater now available as a PHEV

https://www.electrive.com/2021/06/11/vw-presents-plug-in-hybrid-t7-van/

Looks great, but a 13kWh battery in a heavy van? You'll be doing well to get out of the driveway with that

Too bad they couldn't have used the 35kWh battery from the E-Golf and added CCS fast charging
It's make a pretty good taxi or minibus then

Anyway, bring on the ID. Buzz

mfceiling

Had to travel north today to get my rental property ready for sale.
Met my uncle there (mid 70's). He was painting inside.

"What's that yoke"

"Tesla"

"Never heard of it'!!

Stopped at my local supermarket tonight and plugged in to the ESB charger. A lovely black ID3 charging beside me. Came out and the couple in the VW could not get the cable to unlock. Nothing was working. I had to Google to get him to push the brake, put it in drive then press unlock on his key. It worked!!

We had a good 10 minute chat about EV's. He was a diesel driver all his life and told me he'll never have an ICE vehicle again after driving an EV!!

DrPhilG

Well in my utter despair at the bumbling stupidity of my local VW dealer cocking up my purchase, I went looking to see if there were any alternatives I could go for in order to tell them to shove their car up their ass.

And there really aren't many options that compare.

Model 3 still too expensive and lower range, plus no PCP option.

Kia more expensive due to the higher finance cost, lower range, and just a bit bland compared to the ID3.

Enyaq seems a lot more expensive for the 80kWh model, and a fair bit further from production.

Gutted to be honest. Haven't bought a new car in over 20 years and was so looking forward to collecting the ID3 next month. Now I almost feel like flushing the whole idea and keeping the i3.

Black_Knight

DrPhilG wrote: »

Well in my utter despair at the bumbling stupidity of my local VW dealer cocking up my purchase, I went looking to see if there were any alternatives I could go for in order to tell them to shove their car up their ass.

And there really aren't many options that compare.

Model 3 still too expensive and lower range, plus no PCP option.

Kia more expensive due to the higher finance cost, lower range, and just a bit bland compared to the ID3.

Enyaq seems a lot more expensive for the 80kWh model, and a fair bit further from production.

Gutted to be honest. Haven't bought a new car in over 20 years and was so looking forward to collecting the ID3 next month. Now I almost feel like flushing the whole idea and keeping the i3.

What did they do this time?

You could do with your own thread at this rate Phil.

Edit: think it was silent running I was thinking if. Didn't he have to return his id3?

KCross

DrPhilG wrote: »

Well in my utter despair at the bumbling stupidity of my local VW dealer cocking up my purchase,

Has the dealer confirmed that it’s too late to fix the order? Presumably the car hasn’t been built.

Can they fix the paperwork and get the right car made?

Black_Knight

KCross wrote: »

Has the dealer confirmed that it’s too late to fix the order? Presumably the car hasn’t been built.

Can they fix the paperwork and get the right car made?

Check the id3 thread. Right can can be ordered now, but talking October-Jan timeline

DrPhilG

Edit, moving this rant to the ID3 page, no sense derailing this one. My moan here was about the lack of financially similar alternatives.

My issues with VW belong on the other thread.

silver_sky

What a right mess! you're right to pull them up on that and also give the opportunity to some other dealers. Hopefully someone will pull through and get what you ordered.

DrPhilG

Pain in the arse that the Model 3 LR is so expensive, and don't offer PCP.

unkel

DrPhilG wrote: »

Pain in the arse that the Model 3 LR is so expensive, and don't offer PCP.

You really need the range of the LR? The Model 3 is far more efficient than th EVs you have owned so far at motorway speeds. Have you driven one yet? PCP is not the only way of cheap finance.

ELM327

Agreed, the SR+ is a great car for what it is. Similar real world range to most older S85/90.

AndyBoBandy

I've done a few motorway trips over the last few weeks, and my consumption @ 120km/h has been in or around 160Wh/km (16kWh/100km).

Thats giving me 300km of motorway range, and mine is the 409km WLTP 2020 version from Freemont. The WLTP now in the SR+ is 448km!!

When I'm driving around locally the last 2/3 months (50/60/80km/h roads around Fingal), my consumption figures are as low as 95Wh/km!! Thats putting me in 500+km range territory!!!

(I know if I was a Taxi Driver, and wanting to avail of that €20k grant for switching to an EV, I'd have no hesitation in getting an SR+ for the job... Go out every day and do 400-450km of work, charge at home, make fortune.)

The SR+ is incredibly efficient. Remember its only a 50kWh battery!!

unkel

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I've done a few motorway trips over the last few weeks, and my consumption @ 120km/h has been in or around 160Wh/km (16kWh/100km).

The only other EV that can do that is the Hyundai Ioniq

Aerodynamics + efficient drivetrain can make up a lot for a relatively small battery...

slave1

unkel wrote: »

The only other EV that can do that is the Hyundai Ioniq

Aerodynamics + efficient drivetrain can make up a lot for a relatively small battery...

Missus had an Athlone to Mourne Mountains 492 motorway return trip last week (Newry to hike not motorway), the trip readings were 14.7 on the Kona

the_amazing_raisin

unkel wrote: »

You really need the range of the LR? The Model 3 is far more efficient than th EVs you have owned so far at motorway speeds. Have you driven one yet? PCP is not the only way of cheap finance.

I think one of the big selling points was the 0% finance

Pretty hard to get cheaper finance than that, unless you can somehow appeal to the ECB for negative interest

unkel

slave1 wrote: »

Missus had an Athlone to Mourne Mountains 492 motorway return trip last week (Newry to hike not motorway), the trip readings were 14.7 on the Kona

Not at 120km/h GPS speed though

You need Cd of max 0.24 or so for the above figures. Tesla claim the Model S plaid is just 0.208 now. I find it hard to believe they've managed to improve it that much from the original which had 0.24, but we'll see. Model 3 and Ioniq also have 0.24 afaik

AndyBoBandy

but was that consumption at 120km/h? my figure above has been my consumption at 120 lately.

We did a ~600km trip last week to Limerick, North Kerry, Cliff's of Moher, Limerick, Dublin, and the average on the whole trip was about 145Wh/km

DrPhilG

The 0% finance was the clincher, although at this stage I'll consider all options.

And yeah I do need the range of the LR. I have monthly 280-300km trips Donegal to the other side of Belfast and back. With the current scandalous condition of the network up there I can't guarantee being able to charge without issue so I need a car that can do a solid 300+km in any weather and motorway speed.

The Model 3 may be very efficient, and it's a fine looking wagon, but no way can it guarantee me that kind of mileage year round. EV Database reckons as low as 250km in winter and I generally do a lot worse than their scores.

Silent Running

Black_Knight wrote: »

What did they do this time?

You could do with your own thread at this rate Phil.

Edit: think it was silent running I was thinking if. Didn't he have to return his id3?

I was on the brink of rejecting the car due to issues with the software update, but I did the same as Phil and looked around at the possible replacement options. They weren't appealing, so I stuck it out.

I'm still working out the last physical issue (creak coming from the ID light area) but the software has been sorted by replacing the ICAS 1 module and, recently, the ICAS 3 module.

AndyBoBandy

DrPhilG wrote: »

EV Database reckons as low as 250km in winter and I generally do a lot worse than their scores.

not far off...

In a day back in February (0 degrees, wind, snow, rain, storm), I did a 686km drive from Dublin - Cork City - East Cork - Cork City - Dublin, and the average consumption for the whole trip was 196Wh/km (speed limits all the way)... so that particular day my range was roughly 255km...

Though with a SuperCharger on that particular route, range is irrelevant really (and about to be a little more so when the new SuC at Mahon Point comes on line).

slave1

unkel wrote: »

Not at 120km/h GPS speed though

You need Cd of max 0.24 or so for the above figures. Tesla claim the Model S plaid is just 0.208 now. I find it hard to believe they've managed to improve it that much from the original which had 0.24, but we'll see. Model 3 and Ioniq also have 0.24 afaik

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

but was that consumption at 120km/h? my figure above has been my consumption at 120 lately.

We did a ~600km trip last week to Limerick, North Kerry, Cliff's of Moher, Limerick, Dublin, and the average on the whole trip was about 145Wh/km

True, can't be sure, wasn't in the car myself, I'd say maybe 110 on the speedo, still good going

unkel

Ah so you sold the Leaf 30kWh and you now have Kona 64kWh and Tesla 85kWh. Nice! On this small island you'll barely ever have to worry about public charging...

slave1

Yep, sold at asking yesterday, I'd have kept it forever except herself picked up hiking over lockdowns and that's regular 350kms return trips and she (and I!!!) also hesitant on taking the Tesla up those tight roads and dodgy small car "parks" at foot of hills/"mountains"

MJohnston

Oh hello there — just got an email introducing their new "Time of Use" plans for customers with Smart Meters:

Time-of-Use tariffs are a new way for homes with Smart Meters to pay for electricity. You pay different rates at different times of the day. By shifting when you use electricity, from more expensive to cheaper times, you can help the environment, because it will allow more electricity to come from renewable sources. This helps to lower your bill too.

Looks like it won't just be day and night tariffs, but Day, Night, and Peak. It looks like they're calling this "Home Connect": https://www.energia.ie/plans-and-switching-info/all-energy-plans

ELM327

Hard no.
I will defend my day/night meter to the death

slave1

MJohnston wrote: »

Oh hello there — just got an email introducing their new "Time of Use" plans for customers with Smart Meters:

Looks like it won't just be day and night tariffs, but Day, Night, and Peak. It looks like they're calling this "Home Connect": https://www.energia.ie/plans-and-switching-info/all-energy-plans

That's the exact reason for the "Smart meters", reef us out of it from 5pm-7pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Hard no.
I will defend my day/night meter to the death

100%, as long as my day/night is not defective I'll be politely refusing the Smart Meter

the_amazing_raisin

slave1 wrote: »

That's the exact reason for the "Smart meters", reef us out of it from 5pm-7pm

Hey I'm happy with the idea of electricity prices following the market rates, forces people towards cheaper times when there's more renewables is use

Of course if it actually followed the market rate then there would be some cheaper times. Instead they basically made a more expensive time and didn't create a cheaper one to offset it

liamog

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Of course if it actually followed the market rate then there would be some cheaper times. Instead they basically made a more expensive time and didn't create a cheaper one to offset it

Same here, I'd have no problem with the agile tariffs like the UK have, but the smart rates which have a more expensive night rate than a dumb day/night meter are just taking the mick

fits

I just got a letter to say they’d be installing smart meter in coming weeks. We are on a regular meter at the moment. I doubt I’ll be able to get a day night one now.

unkel

If there were only to be 3 rates, they should be something like (all including VAT):

4c night rate for 9 hours
12c day rate for 9 hours
30-40c peak rate for 6 hours (and climbing every year)

Currently I'm paying 4.79c night rate and 16.8c day rate with Energia EV option