FullyComp wrote: » I love this logic, if I knowingly do something bad it's the government's fault for not stopping me? Does that make Omagh or Jerry McCabe the Provos fault so as they didn't regulate the dissidents?
blanch152 wrote: » Yeah, they are caught in a bind all right. They have been whinging and crying for so long about an Irish Languages Act that they will look weak and craven if they don't collapse the Assembly over the failure to enact it. On the other hand, they are not stupid, and they realise that the vast majority of the population will blame them for collapsing the Assembly if they do so, and their vote will suffer again, so they think that running to Daddy in Westminister will solve it and that they won't look weak and craven. It will be interesting to see how many posters on here fail to see through this latest pathetic diversion from SF.
FrancieBrady wrote: The usual crew queuing up to make it SF's fault for looking for something agreed in 2002 to be implemented.
FrancieBrady wrote: » The DUP were asked and have said that it won't be implemented in this session. The DUP are attempting to do what they did on every other right AGREED in ancillary agreements to the GFA. Would you be sitting in your comfy seat cheerleading them if they were still holding out on rights for LGBT and women's rights? They 'fought' their corner on those rights and faced illegal and improper use of Petitions Of Concern. But, no, all SF's fault. Typical stuff from you guys. You are cheerleading DUP intransigence here BTW. As well as adopting a familiar FG (if I may single out a particular political stance) arrogance in dictating to people what is important to them. I watched this all the way through the Troubles and after. Nothing new in the arrogance...'lie down and take it and wait for Unionists and the British to be democrats'. :rolleyes:
FrancieBrady wrote: » QED, I suppose.https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117421844&postcount=6737
Fann Linn wrote: » Your logic, the householders knew the mica content of blocks and purchased them.
blanch152 wrote: » An Irish Language Act is what's important? And it's arrogance to point out it is unimportant when people are dying in the middle of a pandemic? Take a good look at yourself in the mirror. If there was a famine in Northern Ireland and the Protocol was preventing food being shipped in from the rest of the UK, you would be stressing the importance of protecting the GFA and playing up a threat of a return to violence rather than saving people's lives.
FullyComp wrote: » They didn't but how is it government's fault for not controlling the dodgy manufacture of blocks? Should Leo have been standing over every one that was produced?
blanch152 wrote: » You were able to predict what people were going to say, and despite having all that time to formulate a response, you were unable to do so? Hardly says much for the strength of your argument.
FrancieBrady wrote: » And what was it in 2006...and 2012 and 2017 and etc etc etc. Such nonsense from you again. There will always be something that allows you to vindicate the Unionist.
blanch152 wrote: » Given that Sinn Fein collapse the Assembly so often and waste time when it is there, it is not surprising that there is always something more important to do than an Irish Languages Act.
votecounts wrote: » not having go a go at yourself, but the DUP Signed up to Irish Language Legislation but refuse now to enact it. You can hardly blame SF for pulling the executive when one side fail to honour their agreements. This has been in the pipeline for years, can never understand why Unionists are scared of a Language Act
blanch152 wrote: » That isn't what I heard them say, they have said they are committed to it, just that people dying on hospital waiting lists are more urgent and important to deal with.
Deleted User wrote: » The DUP/SF blame game must be getting tiresome for people in NI. No wonder there's so much interest in the SDLP, The Alliance Party, and (hopefully) the UUP. Generational conflict takes generations to unravel, but you'd wish that more was done at the start of the peace process to cement the positions of the UUP and the SDLP. SF and the DUP have none of the answers.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Don't cod yourself that the UUP and SDLP would have been any different.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Government regulations were ignored. The regulators work for the government. Pretty simple stuff.
StupidLikeAFox wrote: » That is very simple stuff. I'm in favour of homeowners getting 100% redress, but to sum it up in those terms is very simple stuff indeed
FrancieBrady wrote: » The SDLP have asked SF to collapse the executive before and the UUP have asked the DUP to do it. You do realise this? The unwillingness of the two guarantors to take appropriate action when a failed statelet fails again is the main issue. The ills caused by partition were never going to be cured overnight. Don't cod yourself that the UUP and SDLP would have been any different.
Bishop of hope wrote: » The two guarantors can agree everything, but if the belligerent main parties on either side of the executive don't then it matters not a hoot. As usual it's a blame shifting game isn't it.
FrancieBrady wrote: » So when an agreement was made and reneged on after two years the last time the Executive collapsed and we had to wait another year before ANOTHER agreement was made, how was it the 'two' belligerent parties that were at fault? Similarly, how is the 'two' parties fault that that agreement is STILL not implemented? Do explain for once Bish how you are making any semblance of sense here?
Bishop of hope wrote: » There's no serving both sides here Francie, neither is satisfied with anything that might give any succour to the other.
They are still poles apart and will remain so. It doesn't matter what the two govts agree or even impliment, if its seen as a concession to nationalists the unionists won't have it and vice versa.
Mostly its made up of agreements that are concessions to one side or the other. That is something Nationalists are happy with or unionists are happy with agreed with both govts. Not much common ground that both nationalists, unionists and both govts are in complete agreement with.
So imo its up to the two main party's in the exec to sit down and thrash these things out and move them forward. Reaity is that both are so entrenched in their differences that its nigh on impossible to do so. So to hide their shame on the fact that t they are so belligerent, bordering on if not actually hatred of each other, they both try to blame the two govts for their own abject failures.
blanch152 wrote: » People who fail always have an external reason for their failure. Northern Ireland, no more than Northern Macedonia or any other country, is not doomed to failure just by existing, it is the failure of those in leadership - DUP and SF - that cause the problems.
FrancieBrady wrote: » Nonsense from the get go Bish. SF compromised on the language act, made an agreement and the belligerents in the DUP pulled the plug on it, yet again. Please come to the debate properly informed. Rubbish again, when you look at what nationalists have done since the GFA. They block no rights, have never refused to engage, have swallowed hard and met the monarch. etc etc etc. There is no similar foot dragging.
Bishop of hope wrote: » They collapsed the executive for three years Francie.
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