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StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

That is very simple stuff. I'm in favour of homeowners getting 100% redress, but to sum it up in those terms is very simple stuff indeed

Even simpler: The government took liability because the government are liable. The regulator didn't do their job. I.E. They f***** up.

Bishop of hope wrote: »

The two guarantors can agree everything, but if the belligerent main parties on either side of the executive don't then it matters not a hoot.
As usual it's a blame shifting game isn't it.

So when an agreement was made and reneged on after two years the last time the Executive collapsed and we had to wait another year before ANOTHER agreement was made, how was it the 'two' belligerent parties that were at fault?

Similarly, how is the 'two' parties fault that that agreement is STILL not implemented?

Do explain for once Bish how you are making any semblance of sense here?

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The SDLP have asked SF to collapse the executive before and the UUP have asked the DUP to do it.
You do realise this?

The unwillingness of the two guarantors to take appropriate action when a failed statelet fails again is the main issue. The ills caused by partition were never going to be cured overnight.
Don't cod yourself that the UUP and SDLP would have been any different.

The two guarantors can agree everything, but if the belligerent main parties on either side of the executive don't then it matters not a hoot.
As usual it's a blame shifting game isn't it.

padd b1975

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

That is very simple stuff. I'm in favour of homeowners getting 100% redress, but to sum it up in those terms is very simple stuff indeed

It's like saying the taxpayer should fix my car if I'm involved in an accident whatever the circumstances because I passed a driving test.

StupidLikeAFox

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Government regulations were ignored. The regulators work for the government. Pretty simple stuff.

That is very simple stuff. I'm in favour of homeowners getting 100% redress, but to sum it up in those terms is very simple stuff indeed

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FrancieBrady wrote: »

Don't cod yourself that the UUP and SDLP would have been any different.

It's not up to me to decide that, Francois.

It's up to the young people of NI.

Deleted User wrote: »

The DUP/SF blame game must be getting tiresome for people in NI. No wonder there's so much interest in the SDLP, The Alliance Party, and (hopefully) the UUP.

Generational conflict takes generations to unravel, but you'd wish that more was done at the start of the peace process to cement the positions of the UUP and the SDLP.

SF and the DUP have none of the answers.

The SDLP have asked SF to collapse the executive before and the UUP have asked the DUP to do it.
You do realise this?

The unwillingness of the two guarantors to take appropriate action when a failed statelet fails again is the main issue. The ills caused by partition were never going to be cured overnight.
Don't cod yourself that the UUP and SDLP would have been any different.

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The DUP/SF blame game must be getting tiresome for people in NI. No wonder there's so much interest in the SDLP, The Alliance Party, and (hopefully) the UUP.

Generational conflict takes generations to unravel, but you'd wish that more was done at the start of the peace process to cement the positions of the UUP and the SDLP.

SF and the DUP have none of the answers.

blanch152 wrote: »

That isn't what I heard them say, they have said they are committed to it, just that people dying on hospital waiting lists are more urgent and important to deal with.

Always been people dying on hospital lists, and somehow I don't think any of the MLAs are performing open heart surgery.
Defending their excuses now?

guy2231

blanch152 wrote: »

That isn't what I heard them say, they have said they are committed to it, just that people dying on hospital waiting lists are more urgent and important to deal with.

And how is pushing this legislation through going to stop any of that?

votecounts wrote: »

not having go a go at yourself, but the DUP Signed up to Irish Language Legislation but refuse now to enact it. You can hardly blame SF for pulling the executive when one side fail to honour their agreements. This has been in the pipeline for years, can never understand why Unionists are scared of a Language Act

That isn't what I heard them say, they have said they are committed to it, just that people dying on hospital waiting lists are more urgent and important to deal with.

votecounts

blanch152 wrote: »

Given that Sinn Fein collapse the Assembly so often and waste time when it is there, it is not surprising that there is always something more important to do than an Irish Languages Act.

not having go a go at yourself, but the DUP Signed up to Irish Language Legislation but refuse now to enact it. You can hardly blame SF for pulling the executive when one side fail to honour their agreements. This has been in the pipeline for years, can never understand why Unionists are scared of a Language Act

blanch152 wrote: »

Given that Sinn Fein collapse the Assembly so often and waste time when it is there, it is not surprising that there is always something more important to do than an Irish Languages Act.

Again...as I said, there will always be something to vindicate Unionist belligerence with you.

FullyComp wrote: »

They didn't but how is it government's fault for not controlling the dodgy manufacture of blocks? Should Leo have been standing over every one that was produced?

He stood over the ones containing pyrite!

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And what was it in 2006...and 2012 and 2017 and etc etc etc.

Such nonsense from you again. There will always be something that allows you to vindicate the Unionist.

Given that Sinn Fein collapse the Assembly so often and waste time when it is there, it is not surprising that there is always something more important to do than an Irish Languages Act.

Fionn1952

blanch152 wrote: »

An Irish Language Act is what's important? And it's arrogance to point out it is unimportant when people are dying in the middle of a pandemic? Take a good look at yourself in the mirror.

If there was a famine in Northern Ireland and the Protocol was preventing food being shipped in from the rest of the UK, you would be stressing the importance of protecting the GFA and playing up a threat of a return to violence rather than saving people's lives.

Surely you're better than relative privation, Blanch? Or are fallacious arguments alright as long as we get to stick it to the Shinners?

blanch152 wrote: »

You were able to predict what people were going to say, and despite having all that time to formulate a response, you were unable to do so? Hardly says much for the strength of your argument.

I've responded blanch and while I was I predicted the usual crew would be along to make it SF's fault and vindicate, once again, Unionists denying rights.

Don't assume that I need to repeat myself to your predictable responses.

FullyComp wrote: »

They didn't but how is it government's fault for not controlling the dodgy manufacture of blocks? Should Leo have been standing over every one that was produced?

Government regulations were ignored. The regulators work for the government. Pretty simple stuff.

blanch152 wrote: »

An Irish Language Act is what's important? And it's arrogance to point out it is unimportant when people are dying in the middle of a pandemic? Take a good look at yourself in the mirror.

If there was a famine in Northern Ireland and the Protocol was preventing food being shipped in from the rest of the UK, you would be stressing the importance of protecting the GFA and playing up a threat of a return to violence rather than saving people's lives.

And what was it in 2006...and 2012 and 2017 and etc etc etc.

Such nonsense from you again. There will always be something that allows you to vindicate the Unionist.

FullyComp

Fann Linn wrote: »

Your logic, the householders knew the mica content of blocks and purchased them.

They didn't but how is it government's fault for not controlling the dodgy manufacture of blocks? Should Leo have been standing over every one that was produced?

FrancieBrady wrote: »

QED, I suppose.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117421844&postcount=6737

You were able to predict what people were going to say, and despite having all that time to formulate a response, you were unable to do so? Hardly says much for the strength of your argument.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The DUP were asked and have said that it won't be implemented in this session. The DUP are attempting to do what they did on every other right AGREED in ancillary agreements to the GFA.

Would you be sitting in your comfy seat cheerleading them if they were still holding out on rights for LGBT and women's rights? They 'fought' their corner on those rights and faced illegal and improper use of Petitions Of Concern. But, no, all SF's fault. Typical stuff from you guys.

You are cheerleading DUP intransigence here BTW. As well as adopting a familiar FG (if I may single out a particular political stance) arrogance in dictating to people what is important to them. I watched this all the way through the Troubles and after. Nothing new in the arrogance...'lie down and take it and wait for Unionists and the British to be democrats'. :rolleyes:

An Irish Language Act is what's important? And it's arrogance to point out it is unimportant when people are dying in the middle of a pandemic? Take a good look at yourself in the mirror.

If there was a famine in Northern Ireland and the Protocol was preventing food being shipped in from the rest of the UK, you would be stressing the importance of protecting the GFA and playing up a threat of a return to violence rather than saving people's lives.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117421844&postcount=6737

blanch152 wrote: »

Yeah, they are caught in a bind all right.

They have been whinging and crying for so long about an Irish Languages Act that they will look weak and craven if they don't collapse the Assembly over the failure to enact it. On the other hand, they are not stupid, and they realise that the vast majority of the population will blame them for collapsing the Assembly if they do so, and their vote will suffer again, so they think that running to Daddy in Westminister will solve it and that they won't look weak and craven.

It will be interesting to see how many posters on here fail to see through this latest pathetic diversion from SF.

QED, I suppose.

FrancieBrady wrote:

The usual crew queuing up to make it SF's fault for looking for something agreed in 2002 to be implemented.

FullyComp wrote: »

I love this logic, if I knowingly do something bad it's the government's fault for not stopping me?

Does that make Omagh or Jerry McCabe the Provos fault so as they didn't regulate the dissidents?

???

FullyComp wrote: »

I love this logic, if I knowingly do something bad it's the government's fault for not stopping me?

Does that make Omagh or Jerry McCabe the Provos fault so as they didn't regulate the dissidents?

Your logic, the householders knew the mica content of blocks and purchased them.

FullyComp

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The taxpayer is always on the hook if the regulators fail Brendi. Who has oversight of the regulators? The government.

I love this logic, if I knowingly do something bad it's the government's fault for not stopping me?

Does that make Omagh or Jerry McCabe the Provos fault so as they didn't regulate the dissidents?

blanch152 wrote: »

Yeah, they are caught in a bind all right.

They have been whinging and crying for so long about an Irish Languages Act that they will look weak and craven if they don't collapse the Assembly over the failure to enact it. On the other hand, they are not stupid, and they realise that the vast majority of the population will blame them for collapsing the Assembly if they do so, and their vote will suffer again, so they think that running to Daddy in Westminister will solve it and that they won't look weak and craven.

It will be interesting to see how many posters on here fail to see through this latest pathetic diversion from SF.

No need to collapse it if the DUP let it through. Or are you happy for it to drag out for another 16 years?

votecounts

The DUP agreed to enact Irish Language Legislation but refuse to do so now. No wonder SF are peed off. Seriously why are they so scared of a language act.
This is not the 1970s where only unionists get what they want. If the Executive collapses, the blame will be put squarely on the DUP.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Good to see them pressuring those ultimately responsible under the terms of the GFA. They now need to be very vocal about ensuring the Irish government live up to their guardianship of the GFA and it's ancillary agreements.

Yeah, they are caught in a bind all right.

They have been whinging and crying for so long about an Irish Languages Act that they will look weak and craven if they don't collapse the Assembly over the failure to enact it. On the other hand, they are not stupid, and they realise that the vast majority of the population will blame them for collapsing the Assembly if they do so, and their vote will suffer again, so they think that running to Daddy in Westminister will solve it and that they won't look weak and craven.

It will be interesting to see how many posters on here fail to see through this latest pathetic diversion from SF.