athlone573 wrote: » Don't you feel that Unionist leaders have a moral responsibility to step up to the plate and be honest about the fact that the checks would be minimal and straightforward to implement if the GB government cooperated and implemented what it signed up to clear as day, instead if its duplicitous and obstructive attitude? On the contrary you have an 18 year old idiot getting TV time to threaten violence. As it stands it seems Poots and co are driving mainstream voters away towards the Alliance party. Which is actually good to see.
CaoimhinCong wrote: » It won't happen, this is scare mongering. I speak with active and past UVF members through an iniative with Cois and EPIC (2 Organisations who help ex combatants of the IRA and UVF) They have spoke on a level and said those elemts pushing for violence and disorder are either outside of the mainstream which if so it is 3 brigades of maybe 50 men and based loosely in SEA, East Belfast and LVF in antrim Unionism has no direction or leadership and this has been exposed recently with Poots the creationist and Givan the absolute Whalloper gaining power. Unionism is going into a cul de sac which it will struggle to return from. Alliance and UUP should benefit from an incompetent DUP who voted for brexit and all it entails.
downcow wrote: » Why do you say he was threatening violence? And why do you say he was an idiot? Here he is interviewed yesterday steering the community away from the right wing conservative DUP towards the moderate liberal UUP. Don’t shoot the messenger (unless you are prepared to apply the same measure to Leo talking up violence)
downcow wrote: » Why do you say he was threatening violence? And why do you say he was an idiot? Here he is interviewed yesterday steering the community away from the right wing conservative DUP towards the moderate liberal UUP. Don’t shoot the messenger (unless you are prepared to apply the same measure to Leo talking up violence)https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ulster-unionists-more-appealing-than-dup-claims-youngloyalist-who-warned-of-possible-violence-over-ni-protocol-40486120.html
downcow wrote: » You also refer to the dissident loyalist factions. Again these are not mainstream and are drug dealing scumbags in the eyes of most unionists.
athlone573 wrote: » Thanks and to be fair he comes across more nuanced there than his previous appearance, which I understood as a veiled threat (and unwise of him to present himself as a mouthpiece for loyalist paramilitaries)
Seth Brundle wrote: » Why are Poots, Foster, Frost and others meeting with these drug dealing scumbags and repeating their threats of violence if they can't continue unhindered with their illegal activities?
downcow wrote: » I have also met with and visited these two organisations in many occasions. I would caution against them reflecting the views of their respective wider communities. EPIC represent a very small number of people and reflect the views of 50+ year old ex prosioners. They are absolutely not the group that will be involved in violence and indeed they will be trying hard to prevent it. You also refer to the dissident loyalist factions. Again these are not mainstream and are drug dealing scumbags in the eyes of most unionists.
downcow wrote: » I am not aware they are?
CaoimhinCong wrote: » You completely mixed up my post. The only potential violent opposition to Irish sea borders is dissident loyalist factions. Carrick, Larne and areas in newtownabbey under SEA UDA and east Belfast UVF then Antrim LVF. The wider community represented by 1st battalion UVF west Belfast bunter Graham and Matt Kincaid C coy West Belfast UDA , Jackie McDonald South Belfast with 1 or 2 young Turks in around sandyrow making noise, with other brigadiers and commanders under their control. These loyalist leaders have unionist community on a leash. I believe when people say unionists will return to violence they are scare mongering there is no appetite to return by loyalists. I'm on the ground every day dealing with both sides of the community, I hear it from their mouths. They are angry but not to that extent.
VinLieger wrote: » Arlene meeting with themhttps://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/dup-leader-defends-her-meeting-with-loyalist-group-over-protocol-40133307.html Frost meeting with themhttps://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40287854.html Poots meeting with themhttps://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2021/06/05/news/new-dup-leader-edwin-poots-meets-with-lcc-2345541/
downcow wrote: » You seem fascinated by those guys and hold them in far to high an esteem. This is much bigger than a few old paramilitaries
FrancieBrady wrote: » If it is 'bigger' you must have some evidence of that? Or have you been chatting to a friend of a friend down the pub again? If you don't have data/evidence then you are just threatening for effect.
CaoimhinCong wrote: » It doesn't get bigger then that. For Belfast 1st on the shankill road call shots for UVF and UDA in taughmona where Jackie is based. Everything else falls under them, except the dissidents. Which have about 50 men a piece. I wouldn't worry about loyalists engaging in violence.
downcow wrote: » You sound like one of the we groups of ex prisoners from ira, Uvf etc who meet together to convince each other you done nothing wrong and try and blame everything and everybody else for your wrongdoing and who think the world revolves around them. You are hero’s in your own minds. Would I have got you right ?
downcow wrote: » We were specifically talking about the dissadent loyalist groups mentioned eg SEA UDA. None of them are connected to LCC who your links refer to. So I was correct
CaoimhinCong wrote: » Your definitely not a Belfast man. I'd imagine Fermanagh Tyrone or somewhere out Mid Ulster man am I close?
downcow wrote: » Glad I got you correct. You are way off with me but I can hear the other posters laughing lol
Jump_In_Jack wrote: » So, reading through this thread was searching for an update on the legal challenge, was it upheld or rejected can anyone enlighten me please?
downcow wrote: » Good to see labour starting to catch on. https://twitter.com/samcoatessky/status/1404398541984960517?s=21
VinLieger wrote: » Much like the tories they probably shouldn't have voted for it then?
briany wrote: » Problem is that although Starmer appears to agree with Johnson in terms of being against the Protocol, he'd be loathe to actually vote in an alternative proposed by Johnson, as he obviously wouldn't want to give the Conservatives any type of easy political win. But the further problem is that Johnson has no alternative that is mutually agreeable to Britain and the EU. If that alternative existed, the Protocol would never have been necessary. This is all grandstanding and brinkmanship from the British government. They simply cannot afford to tear up the Protocol and risk putting the border in Ireland as it puts a trade deal with the EU and with the USA in too much jeopardy.
bilbot79 wrote: » -Deliver on the international agreement he signed - Failure for Boris
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