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weatherbyfoxer

anyone have much experience of red clover?.the silage ground here hasn't been reseeded since 2005 and the more traditional lower feed value grasses have now taken over, have been thinking about getting red clover stitched into next spring..im wondering could this be done with spraying off old grass or whats the best way of doing it do people find?

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K.G.

Doing a little research on red clover/italian with a view to putting one particular silage block under it and cutting it 3 to 4 times a year.the idea is that the nitrogen saved could be used on home block and maybe get a higher protein feed in later cuts.looking back here some lads tried it back through the year and wondering how yye got on.

blue5000

Mooooo wrote: »

A trip to solohead may be worth it for those interested in clover

It is, until you find out that Solohead farm was originally a sludge dump for Tipp co-op cheese plant. Let's just say the P&K levels are very good. Having said that they have done a fantastic job draining the land as well.

Mooooo

A trip to solohead may be worth it for those interested in clover

GrasstoMilk

4.5 weeks sown
Delighted with how it's took

Water John

This would be a great time to reseed with clover, temp low in the spring. Be sure to mow the red clover crop high and as little disturbance as possible, no conditioner on the mower, super silage feed.
As a bonus for sheep farmers it's supposed to significantly increase lambing rate. Reality is it will last about 4 years and need to be sown again.

Castlekeeper

The thing with red clover is that it is expected to do a lot when people go there, and it needs particular agronomy in order for it to be successful. Coupled with this, persistence is an issue as it doesn't tiller, so good establishment and development of a high % of red clover is paramount to its success as a crop for the next 3-5 years.
The best way to ensure this is a full reseed, taking the existing sward out of the equation.
When established, less than 50% red clover in summer carries a risk of being a waste of time and money being neither here nor there.

GrasstoMilk

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

looks great,what sort of clover/grass seed mix did you put in?

This from agritech

GrasstoMilk

Reggie. wrote: »

Look at the cut of them hands

Thats what working hands look like

Reggie.

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

No left the existing sward in it
It it to thr clay though to give new grass and clover a chance

That was it at 3.5 weeks sown

Look at the cut of them hands

weatherbyfoxer

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

No left the existing sward in it
It it to thr clay though to give new grass and clover a chance

That was it at 3.5 weeks sown

looks great,what sort of clover/grass seed mix did you put in?

GrasstoMilk

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

did you spray off the grass first?

No left the existing sward in it
It it to thr clay though to give new grass and clover a chance

That was it at 3.5 weeks sown

weatherbyfoxer

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Is the agritech one not coated?
We stiched red clover into silage ground a month ago
The red clover was up in 5 days

did you spray off the grass first?

Reggie.

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Is the agritech one not coated?
We stiched red clover into silage ground a month ago
The red clover was up in 5 days

Yeah but it's not got a capsule around it like the white clover. It's very open to environmental conditions. Great growth the last while hence you got the good strike.

GrasstoMilk

Reggie. wrote: »

White over is OK as its capulised but red clover can be hard to get to establish as it is a naked seed

Is the agritech one not coated?
We stiched red clover into silage ground a month ago
The red clover was up in 5 days

Reggie.

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

have you much experience of stiching in clover with your machine reggie?

White over is OK as its capulised but red clover can be hard to get to establish as it is a naked seed

weatherbyfoxer

Reggie. wrote: »

This is a high clover mix that I sowed about a month ago for the BIL

have you much experience of stiching in clover with your machine reggie?

Reggie.

Cavanjack wrote: »

Great looking job. Very clean looking, doesn’t seem to be a weed in it. Is it for grazing?

It's a silage mix

Cavanjack

Reggie. wrote: »

This is a high clover mix that I sowed about a month ago for the BIL

Great looking job. Very clean looking, doesn’t seem to be a weed in it. Is it for grazing?

Reggie.

This is a high clover mix that I sowed about a month ago for the BIL

Reggie.

Cavanjack wrote: »

Would you try Disc, Harrow and sow it. Much easier than the plough in storey ground anyway.

If going that route and if its silage ground then make sure its disced half to death. If not the crows will pull up the scraws and it will come in on the silage

weatherbyfoxer

ground here takes drought most summers,so from the but from the bit of research im doing clover seem to do well in those conditions

Cavanjack

Would you try Disc, Harrow and sow it. Much easier than the plough in storey ground anyway.

mahoney_j

weatherbyfoxer wrote: »

anyone have much experience of red clover?.the silage ground here hasn't been reseeded since 2005 and the more traditional lower feed value grasses have now taken over, have been thinking about getting red clover stitched into next spring..im wondering could this be done with spraying off old grass or whats the best way of doing it do people find?

Full reseed better job ,red clover makes great silage and saves on n but if your planning on grazing this ground don’t bother with it as it dosnt stand up to any sort of grazing damage ,it’ll thrive in fertile ground where 3 cuts silage taken and maby a z graze in spring /autumn

weatherbyfoxer

blue5000 wrote: »

Can you plough it?

i can plough it but im looking into other options that could be more cost effective

blue5000

Can you plough it?