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Near Misses Thread Volume 2 (So close you can feel it)

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Wishbone Ash

buffalo wrote: »

...I'm not sure how you reconcile "park in a non-mandatory cycle track" with "do not obstruct a cycle track", but anyway.

It means that you must not obstruct the cycle track EXCEPT where you have to load/unload and have no other viable option.

(AFAIK a vehicle loading/unloading must be taxed commercially - i.e. loading your shopping from a supermarket is not permitted).

buffalo

VonLuck wrote: »

So you can park in a non-mandatory cycle track, but maintain a duty of care and do not obstruct a cycle track. Also if there is no information plate you cannot park at all.

Clear as mud.

This was annoying me, so I went digging last night...

SI 332/2012:

36. (1) Save as otherwise provided for in these Regulations and subject to article 5 a vehicle shall not be parked on a public road at a location, in a manner or for a purpose, referred to in sub-article (2).

(2) A vehicle shall not be parked—

(m) in a cycle track where traffic sign number RUS 009, RUS 058 or RUS 059 is provided, or

Those signs are respectively, cycle track, shared path/cycle track and contra-flow cycle track. So no parking in those tracks.

Article 5 (of 274/1998) makes an exception though:

(5) A prohibition on the parking of a vehicle imposed by article 36 (2) (m) shall not apply to a vehicle parked in a cycle track, on the right hand edge of which traffic sign number RRM 023 has been provided, while goods are being loaded in or on to it or unloaded from it for a period not exceeding thirty minutes from the commencement of such parking.

RRM 023 is the line marking for a non-mandatory lane. (RRM 022 is the line marking for a mandatory lane.)

So, if a cycle track has a sign, you're not allowed park in it - no distinction between mandatory and non-mandatory, what matters if there's round blue sign (RUS 009, RUS 058) or a contra-flow sign (RUS 059).

However, if the cycle track is marked with non-mandatory line markings (RRM 023), that restriction doesn't apply to parking while loading/unloading for up to thirty minutes. I can't see a restriction on the type of vehicle.

I am not a lawyer and the Road Traffic Acts are a mess in general and desperately need to be amalgamated into one coherent Act, but that's my reading of it.

edit: posted in legislation thread - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117280124&postcount=273

Duckjob

CramCycle wrote: »

Doesn't look as bad in the video but the driver merged in on me, phone in hand, child in the back seat who I'd say I scared the sh1t out of. Sorry for the language.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYKGIamh3tQ

The dog joining in made the video. Not sure whether he was agreeing or disagreeing with you though, I think he might have been barking something about road tax.

Seth Brundle

RIP.
Watched this movie with my daughter a few weeks ago...

https://twitter.com/getFANDOM/status/1397659467416629248

magicbastarder

that's not loading for me. but i think twitter itself is having a slight panic attack.

Seth Brundle

One of the kids from the movie "School of Rock" was killed by a driver whilst cycling in Chicago
It reads...

'School of Rock' star Kevin Clark dies at 32, per @TMZ
A motorist crashed into him while he was cycling in Chicago

magicbastarder

jeremy vine occasionally posts some corkers, but this sort of this is/was common along strand road when i was commuting. i've wondered if it's still policy to use these little islands on narrow roads.

https://twitter.com/theJeremyVine/status/1398579607490772995

magicbastarder

closest one in a while. dropping down out of the naul, heading for snowtown, doing somewhere between 35 and 40. a guy in a car pulled up at the junction in front of me (he was coming from oldtown, so i had right of way), so i pulled out into the road a little just to make myself look a little more obvious; he looked up towards me, then looked left away from me and pulled out without looking back at me. i missed him by about a metre, and gave him a hell of a lungful. he shouted something back, but it could have been surprise because i do reckon he had no clue i was there. thankfully there were several other people in the car, so at least he had to deal with the embarrassment in front of some others.

then a bit later, heading southbound on the R130, a few km south of garristown, some cock in a golf passed me with maybe 50cm to spare, him doing 60 or 70km/h i'd say.

nilhg

Not a near miss per se but I think what happened this morning was as bad a bit of driving as I've personally seen on an Irish road. I was with one of our club groups this morning with a few new members so we were extra careful to keep things tight and orderly in the group, our route took us up the main Naas-Blessington road through Eadestown.

Traffic wasn't too bad but as we came up to the Church on the corner at Eadestown a call came from behind "car up". I was just rounding the apex of the bend thinking to myself he'll have to wait a minute when he passed me, totally on the wrong side of the road, to be fair to him he was well away from us but he couldn't have had any visibility of what was coming down the road from Blessington.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2028779,-6.5778515,3a,75y,157.86h,84.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so-Mw1dQqLeSPJV6jScX4Wg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

I was that shocked I only got the 132 KE part of his reg, a black VW passat, hardly much point going anywhere with that.

MojoMaker

Black Faces Matter.

Seth Brundle

Not me but I came across this example of poor driving from one of Dublin's "professional" drivers.
Whilst the driver doesn't close pass the cyclist, it does show how there is a sense of entitlement amongst some (most?) drivers that they should have more priority over vulnerable road users.

Strangely, the drivers agression didn't actually get them further than the cyclist...

https://twitter.com/KevSheedy/status/1399811877547433988

magicbastarder

fryup wrote: »

^^^^^^^^^

don't let that video put you off, plenty of safe roads to cycle on in this country

QFT, as i think the cool kids say.
coming into a thread like this is like going into a thread (if one exists) on the football forum called 'tell us about your footballing injuries' which would probably put a non-footballer off ever looking at a ball.
the cycling forum is one of the busiest sports forums on boards, but also possibly a higher active participation rate in the activity than you'd find on some other sports forums. so you'd expect to see quite a few reports here.

in short - the main enemy of the cyclist is not the motorist, it's air. we don't have enough angry threads about air in the cycling forum if you ask me.

Duckjob

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Not me but I came across this example of poor driving from one of Dublin's "professional" drivers.
Whilst the driver doesn't close pass the cyclist, it does show how there is a sense of entitlement amongst some (most?) drivers that they should have more priority over vulnerable road users.

Strangely, the drivers agression didn't actually get them further than the cyclist...

https://twitter.com/KevSheedy/status/1399811877547433988

In fairness to that taxi driver, we was delayed for a couple of seconds from getting to that red light.

In reality, he probably wanted to get through before it changed. I guess he's one of those sh*te drivers that would think nothing of blowing though it on hard acceleration after its already gone red and people are just about to start crossing, and he was p**sed off that he got foiled from doing that someone on a bike in front of him.

Seth Brundle

Another UK police force is able to send out a clear message regarding close passes...

https://twitter.com/policescotland/status/1402226401294491651

Seth Brundle

Hopefully they get the driver and give them a duly appropriate punishment. Scum!
https://twitter.com/SafeCyclingEire/status/1404175366755962881?s=19

Seth Brundle

Update in relation to the chap that was hit by a driver in East Wall...

https://twitter.com/VirginMediaNews/status/1404808412286754816

Seth Brundle

It says a lot when foreign police forces actively criticise examples of bad driving here when my last memory of AGS commenting on an example of bad driving was to defend the drivers by moaning about data protection...

https://twitter.com/SurreyRoadCops/status/1405040503553466368

Mc Love

Dont forget the driver is entitled to their good name

MojoMaker

TrafficWatch.

magicbastarder

i'd go to the gardai with that.

Dr_Colossus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

This has excellent quality, less than €100 from amazon.de. [I hate buying from Amazon, but was the only option here].

I had to tone down the quality from 4k to 2.7k to extend the battery life to more than an hour.

https://apemans.com/collections/action-camera/products/apeman-4k-60fps-action-camera-a87-touch-screen-20mp-wi-fi-eis-8x-zoom-remote-control-sports-cam-40m-waterproof-underwater-vlog-camcoder-with-mounting-accessories-kit-and-carrying-case

Could you post a picture of it on the bike and as to how inconspicuous it is. Looks like it has one of those additional plastic cases to protect it from the elements which are cumbersome looking and surely a pain. Would it fit under the saddle reasonably well.
Was thinking of getting a gopro sessions before despite battery life being an issue as it's a nice tiny unit but then they ceased production.
Sorry for derailing the thread.

cletus

Anyone here in a Bahrain jersey, going through Naas today? Not the most awful of near misses, but some pretty stupid driving. I was in the car, behind said Bahrain cyclist from the bottom of Ballycane hill to just after the traffic lights on the Dublin Rd. Fella in the car behind me was getting pretty impatient, so overtook me and the cyclist, across a solid white line, into oncoming traffic shortly after the Kilcullen roundabout.

Cyclist was, quite rightly, unhappy

Wishbone Ash

I had a very close pass on the cycle track from Stamullen to Gormanston this afternoon. Ford Transit mini-bus - wheels were inside the cycle track when she passed. The mirror brushed my shoulder. Gave me a right startle. She turned into the next housing estate so I followed. She was totally dismissive and unapologetic when I spoke to her. She claimed (worryingly) that she hadn't passed any cyclist on her route and that I was making it up and more or less told me to go away. (The mini bus was full of children with special needs).

5uspect

link removed - see mod post a few posts on

Read the replies, the individual in the van is apparently a real piece of work.

magicbastarder

VonLuck wrote: »

I'm always wary of Twitter posts like that. A completely innocent individual's life could be ruined because of trial by social media.

+1, and to address the above post - an allegation has been made, a statement given to gardai, but this does *not* remove the 'allegedly' caveat. it being from the partner of the victim delivered on twitter is precisely a he said she said scenario.

i've removed identifying information; if there are statements from the gardai, etc., we can let them stand, but a photo identifying someone accused of some pretty scummy crimes with no proof won't be allowed.

MojoMaker

Let's not be naive here.

robinph

Driver in Arizona crashes into a charity cycle ride, and then the police shoot him.

BBC News - Arizona police shoot driver who crashed into charity bike ride
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57542454

silverharp

interesting point for motorists brought up in this one, dont slow down to let cars out of minor roads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdIhXnsjNPI

cletus

Having watched the video, I think the point re letting drivers out is it's fine in stop start, or heavy slow moving traffic, but if you're lane of traffic is moving along, then stay moving along with it.

I agree that the cyclist did a series of things wrong here

magicbastarder

i had a guy on a scrambler pull a wheelie towards me on the bracetown - kilbride road on saturday. he was accompanied by three other people on similarly loud motorbikes.

that's one thing i'm going to ban when i'm in charge, loud motorbikes. some of them are nearly as loud as a car horn.