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The Tipperary GAA (Club and Intercounty) Thread

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Approaching 10k posts, time for a new thread.....

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058192838

Ompala

formerlyET wrote: »

That's right. I was at that game in Cork. The first day was called off because of the rain.
They were just back from a camp in Spain. And everything went to hand and over the bar. None of that camp craic at this covid moment anyway...

Yup, was a wash out the first day, and was very late before it was called off. I definitely think Callanan helps the movement up front no end, he is very very good at making runs. Indeed, going abroad seems an alien thought these days :O

Also for anyone wondering, Tipp match vs Waterford only being shown on GAAGO this weekend. Football is live on TG4 Saturday and Sunday, with Cork vs Galway being shown live on TG4 Player online and deferred coverage being shown of it on Tv at 17:35

formerlyET

johnb25 wrote: »

Fixture madness.
Kickhams vs Cappawhite 2020 West IH Final Saturday 12th 6pm
Kickhams vs Cappawhite 2021 Co League IH Sunday 13th 12noon.

Mother a god...

johnb25

Fixture madness.
Kickhams vs Cappawhite 2020 West IH Final Saturday 12th 6pm
Kickhams vs Cappawhite 2021 Co League IH Sunday 13th 12noon.

formerlyET

Ompala wrote: »

Yeah, I recall in the first half against Cork Forde sending possibly the only low pass of the half over to John McGrath and the ball bounced into his hand, turned and scored a point. That was the one aspect of the Westmeath game I thought was encouraging, did have lads moving into space for passes and opening things up. Need to vary long and shot deliveries to keep opposition guessing.

It's funny as back in 2019 in the league we were the same, then playing against Cork one day in Pair Ui Rinn it all just clicked and we ran riot. We have the players for it.

That's right. I was at that game in Cork. The first day was called off because of the rain.
They were just back from a camp in Spain. And everything went to hand and over the bar. None of that camp craic at this covid moment anyway...

Ompala

formerlyET wrote: »

That's a very good point. It's probably a mix of both. But I have found some of the ball going in, throughout the league, frustrating. Some of the best ball going in has come from Jason Forde and he should be inside. It's criminal at times. Booming sky high deliveries or huge point attempts over their heads, going wide.

Yeah, I recall in the first half against Cork Forde sending possibly the only low pass of the half over to John McGrath and the ball bounced into his hand, turned and scored a point. That was the one aspect of the Westmeath game I thought was encouraging, did have lads moving into space for passes and opening things up. Need to vary long and shot deliveries to keep opposition guessing.

It's funny as back in 2019 in the league we were the same, then playing against Cork one day in Pair Ui Rinn it all just clicked and we ran riot. We have the players for it.

Pogue eile

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Disputes happen all the time in clubs and players transfers to other clubs its just that these lads are high profile and moving to a club nearby which makes the most sense as they have family from there and its the most convenient.

It's nothing to do with the parish rule. Cashel voted to take them in, if they didn't transfer to them they could easily transfer to clubs up and down the country or pack in the hurling altogether. I'm just happy to see them still playing the game within the county.

I'd fancy Cashel to go deep into the championship this year. Its a bad situation all round and not one you'd want to see often but the board looked at the appeal and were happy enough to grant the move.

If Cashel makes the most sense for them, why did they approach 5 other clubs first, all of whom told them where to go.

How is it nothing to do with the parish rule??The whole case is the parish rule and they have been very upfront that they don't now or don't ever intend in the future living in Cashel.

What do you think about the four born and bred Cashel players who will have trained and played with Cashel from U8 up to Senior who will now be cast aside because four lads fell out with their own club??

Cashel will go well in SOR especially if the rumours around Ryan O'Dwyer are true, but it will not be a good move long term. The four lads will come in and hurl away while they are still invloved with intercounty, they are using Cashel as a means to an end and the consequence is that four existing Cashel hurlers will be cast aside to allow this to happen, I suspect there will be a lot more that those four players who will be pissed off and Cashel will ultimately lose a lot more that four players.

Mantis Toboggan

Disputes happen all the time in clubs and players transfers to other clubs its just that these lads are high profile and moving to a club nearby which makes the most sense as they have family from there and its the most convenient.

It's nothing to do with the parish rule. Cashel voted to take them in, if they didn't transfer to them they could easily transfer to clubs up and down the country or pack in the hurling altogether. I'm just happy to see them still playing the game within the county.

I'd fancy Cashel to go deep into the championship this year. Its a bad situation all round and not one you'd want to see often but the board looked at the appeal and were happy enough to grant the move.

Pogue eile

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

common sense has prevailed and the lads can get on with their hurling

Can't agree at all, this is a bad day for Tipperary hurling.

The parish rule is the bedrock of the organisation and while it has been on shaky ground for a long time, this is definitive proof that it is indeed dead in the water.

Ok so the 4 lads in question get to play hurling, what about the four lads from Cashel that now don't get to play because 4 lads with intercounty pedigree have been parachuted in to their club?

Cashel will live to regret this, that I have no doubt of. Extremely short sighted of them.

formerlyET

Billy Ocean wrote: »

how is it getting bananas? there hasn't been anything new on the topic in about 10 days or 2 weeks and how was the it 'very pointed' he was just speculating like you, me or anyone else does here.

What Landers said was on a podcast only the other day. I listened to it and wanted to know what the Clare lads thought. Sound bunch on that thread.
And I'm done explaining myself to you about it. Oíche Mhaith

Billy Ocean

formerlyET wrote: »

I think Landers point was very pointed. Considering himself and Daly seem to be close - it brought another layer of politics to the situation. It's getting bananas. And Brian Lohan brought it to the national media - is it not a topic for posting about? But you brought it up this time. Not me.

Us, good folk, will keep on trucking, best we can.

how is it getting bananas? there hasn't been anything new on the topic in about 10 days or 2 weeks and how was the it 'very pointed' he was just speculating like you, me or anyone else does here.

formerlyET

Billy Ocean wrote: »

I don't think the opinions of Mark Landers on a podcast would be considered new developments so yes definitely rehashing.

I'm not privee to in the in's and outs of the transfer matter I'll leave that to your good folk.

I think Landers point was very pointed. Considering himself and Daly seem to be close - it brought another layer of politics to the situation. It's getting bananas. And Brian Lohan brought it to the national media - is it not a topic for posting about? But you brought it up this time. Not me.

Us, good folk, will keep on trucking, best we can.

Billy Ocean

formerlyET wrote: »

Might seem like I'm rehashing? Or are there constant new developments?

I've discussed the transfers just as much - but it's gone through? I was against it. What do you want me to do? It's a dead duck. There's been a result and everything was out in the open. Can you say the same for the other issues?

Hilarious? Laugh it up, kid.

I don't think the opinions of Mark Landers on a podcast would be considered new developments so yes definitely rehashing.

I'm not privee to in the in's and outs of the transfer matter I'll leave that to you good folk.

formerlyET

Ompala wrote: »

The query I'd have - what type of ball was sent in, retention is going to be much lower in say a high dropping ball which favours a defender vs a low hopping ball in front of the forward. What I'm getting at is is it really the forwards or the type of ball going in to them from out the field. Without being at the games this is really hard to judge as you can't see what running is being done off the ball and what options are available. I did think vs Westmeath we started to work the ball through the lines much better as the game went on.

That's a very good point. It's probably a mix of both. But I have found some of the ball going in, throughout the league, frustrating. Some of the best ball going in has come from Jason Forde and he should be inside. It's criminal at times. Booming sky high deliveries or huge point attempts over their heads, going wide.

formerlyET

Billy Ocean wrote: »

Hilarious seeing you saying 'Let that issue go to bed' given your constant attempts to re-hash the Clare/Wexford/Davy covid matter on other threads....

Might seem like I'm rehashing? Or are there constant new developments?

I've discussed the transfers just as much - but it's gone through? I was against it. What do you want me to do? It's a dead duck. There's been a result and everything was out in the open. Can you say the same for the other issues?

Hilarious? Laugh it up, kid.

Ompala

formerlyET wrote: »

Sheedy said that Tipp only managed to retain 6 out of the first 17 balls put into the forwards during the first half against Westmeath. That's chronic. Sheedy said that's not acceptable. The forwards who didn't play probably saw their stock rise - Niall O'Meara, Bubbles, Jake Morris, and Kehoe.
Are we running head long into the serious issue that's only going to get worse?
We might need Dan and Noel in midfield. For their delivery.

The query I'd have - what type of ball was sent in, retention is going to be much lower in say a high dropping ball which favours a defender vs a low hopping ball in front of the forward. What I'm getting at is is it really the forwards or the type of ball going in to them from out the field. Without being at the games this is really hard to judge as you can't see what running is being done off the ball and what options are available. I did think vs Westmeath we started to work the ball through the lines much better as the game went on.

Billy Ocean

formerlyET wrote: »

What's done is done. Let that issue go to bed. Let them hurl away now.

Hilarious seeing you saying 'Let that issue go to bed' given your constant attempts to re-hash the Clare/Wexford/Davy covid matter on other threads....

formerlyET

Sheedy said that Tipp only managed to retain 6 out of the first 17 balls put into the forwards during the first half against Westmeath. That's chronic. Sheedy said that's not acceptable. The forwards who didn't play probably saw their stock rise - Niall O'Meara, Bubbles, Jake Morris, and Kehoe.
Are we running head long into the serious issue that's only going to get worse?
We might need Dan and Noel in midfield. For their delivery.

Lost Ormond

Rasputin11 wrote: »

A Stevie O Donnell, seemingly he's a journalist.

portlaoisepal wrote: »

Journalist?
my hloe

Whats with all the negativity around this guy?

formerlyET

What's done is done. Let that issue go to bed. Let them hurl away now.

portlaoisepal

Rasputin11 wrote: »

A Stevie O Donnell, seemingly he's a journalist.

Journalist?
my hloe

Mantis Toboggan

Rasputin11 wrote: »

A Stevie O Donnell, seemingly he's a journalist.

Noel Dundon also, seems common sense has prevailed and the lads can get on with their hurling, would have been a shame if they'd packed it in.

Rasputin11

Lost Ormond wrote: »

who's claiming that???

A Stevie O Donnell, seemingly he's a journalist.

Lost Ormond

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Some fella on Twitter is saying the Knockavilla boys got the transfer.

who's claiming that???

Rasputin11

Some fella on Twitter is saying the Knockavilla boys got the transfer.

Joe_ Public

formerlyET wrote: »

I'd like to see Dan and Brendan in the middle. I think that gives us readers of the game, tactical nous, creativity, defensive cover, and score taking ability in the center of the field.

Kennedy at center. Ronan and one of B McGrath/Byrne on the wings (because O'Mara is out although the word is he is healing well). I think a good scenario is one of those young men can do a job at wing back. And John McG can put in a regular shift on the half line like he did in the final in 2019 (a la hooking the likes of Walter Walsh through on goal) and contributing up front.

There is certainly a world of difference between a Flynn/Cadell pairing and a Dan/B Maher one! Like many, I'm a fan of Cadell, but inclined to think one more year of growth left in him for the level required. More than willing to be proved wrong on that, naturally!

If you don't think we are suffering unduly elsewhere, then that is a really solid pairing. I also think Barry Heff could do a good job there and ultimately he'll develop into a central role but may be another year or two down the line.

All that said, my guess is we'll start off with Breen/Flynn partnership in the middle. You said yourself about Sheedys conservatism and i think that will come through again. Great for cadell to get these games, but i dont see him as a starter, not yet.

formerlyET

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Well, i wouldn't be of the opinion that will be our starting championship midfield but time will tell i guess.

I'd like to see Dan and Brendan in the middle. I think that gives us readers of the game, tactical nous, creativity, defensive cover, and score taking ability in the center of the field.

Kennedy at center. Ronan and one of B McGrath/Byrne on the wings (because O'Mara is out although the word is he is healing well). I think a good scenario is one of those young men can do a job at wing back. And John McG can put in a regular shift on the half line like he did in the final in 2019 (a la hooking the likes of Walter Walsh through on goal) and contributing up front.

Joe_ Public

portlaoisepal wrote: »

Flynn and Cadell would be eaten alive mid field

Well, i wouldn't be of the opinion that will be our starting championship midfield but time will tell i guess.

portlaoisepal

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I see Barrett as a no.2 as well, sure could play elsewhere if needed but that's where i want him, pick pocketing corner forwards and setting us off on the attack. Be great to see the swashbuckling 2016 version again, though I'd happily settle for 75-80% of that if we got it. I get the notion about being fluid in our backline but i dont know how much of that you want exactly when so much of our recent success has been built around the defensive wall between 5 and 7. Paidi at full back does have a certain amount of logic behind it, the days of the traditional edge of the square stopper are probably done for good now.

Flynn and Cadell would be eaten alive mid field

Joe_ Public

I see Barrett as a no.2 as well, sure could play elsewhere if needed but that's where i want him, pick pocketing corner forwards and setting us off on the attack. Be great to see the swashbuckling 2016 version again, though I'd happily settle for 75-80% of that if we got it. I get the notion about being fluid in our backline but i dont know how much of that you want exactly when so much of our recent success has been built around the defensive wall between 5 and 7. Paidi at full back does have a certain amount of logic behind it, the days of the traditional edge of the square stopper are probably done for good now.