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liamog

Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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Black_Knight

liamog wrote: »

Maybe it's long term planning, eCars have deliberately made the AC43 connection on the existing charger unreliable to give you a pavlovian response to using Mayfield

Just checked my stats and the type 2 tethered at Mayfield has been used more often than CHAdeMO in the last 7 days. 14 hours of charging on it vs 12 on CHAdeMO. Compare that to just over 24 hours of charging on CCS and it looks like that AC43 plug will be sorely missed.

Patmwgs

Need to get them rolled out across the whole country. I needed to charge in sligo yesterday and the only 50kwh charger was out of order. The 22kwh charger at the train station had only one side working.

liamog

Maybe it's long term planning, eCars have deliberately made the AC43 connection on the existing charger unreliable to give you a pavlovian response to using Mayfield

silver_sky

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

so the poor old non CCS Zoe drivers will suffer..

*cries*

Ah, I'll probably just continue to avoid J14 as I have in the past. It hasn't worked well on AC43 in ages.
I might pop in for a look after it opens but that's about it.

zg3409

eagerv wrote: »

Why is the Cork area so poor for charging?

Note Cork city also has a non esb 50kW charger by easygo and non esb chargers at the airport.

No part of the country has adequate infrastructure as far as I am concerned, for example Dublin city centre has very few public AC chargers, and the M50 probably the busiest road has only a few chargers nearby often busy. There is some non esb options but again nothing adequate.

City to city routes should be the priority but the infrastructure should be rolled out to cater for users now and in 5 years time.

liamog

outlyer wrote: »

I poped by yesterday and noticed the unit on the left had one fat and one thin cable.

I can already imagine the arguments when someone with an ID.4 want's to use the thick cable, but someone is charging an I3 using it.
Trying to explain that the thick cable goes faster but only when plugged into certain cars ...

outlyer

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Yeah, there's a lot of options with these units so it'll be hard to know what they're capable of until we plug in some cars that'll push them to their limit

As Liam pointed out, they could be using thinner cables which would limit them

Also we don't know what software limits the ESB put in place

I suppose we'll all just have to mob the place when it opens and push it to the max

I poped by yesterday and noticed the unit on the left had one fat and one thin cable.

Black_Knight

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Is the old unit still in the app or something? That's showing 2 50kW chargers

Yeah, just while they're setting it up. Happens regularly with new units, but only for an hour or so. Hopefully see one of the 350kW units for a bit tomorrow

Black_Knight

liamog wrote: »

It does seem a shame that they've installed a triple with a 22kW AC socket here. The only justification I could think to not install 4 of the new style chargers was to serve the 43kW AC Zoe community. But with this charger installed, I think they should of gone with a couple of AC posts somewhere else on site. Does this count as the first site to lose a 43kW AC connection?

I think all the hubs so far have ditched AC43.

the_amazing_raisin

innrain wrote: »

Some characteristics
https://ignitison.lt/wp-content/uploads/Ultra-Fast-Charge-Station.pdf
You need two cabinets to achieve 320kW and on the last page it shows the power limitation @ 920V it goes up to 350A and vice-versa it sustains 500A @ max 640V.

Yeah, there's a lot of options with these units so it'll be hard to know what they're capable of until we plug in some cars that'll push them to their limit

As Liam pointed out, they could be using thinner cables which would limit them

Also we don't know what software limits the ESB put in place

I suppose we'll all just have to mob the place when it opens and push it to the max

innrain

Some characteristics
https://ignitison.lt/wp-content/uploads/Ultra-Fast-Charge-Station.pdf
You need two cabinets to achieve 320kW and on the last page it shows the power limitation @ 920V it goes up to 350A and vice-versa it sustains 500A @ max 640V.

liamog

the_amazing_raisin wrote: »

Also notice how the CCS output is rated for 920V. I think that means the charger can do 800V as long as one car is plugged in, then it'll split the voltage

The max current looks to be either 200 or 350A. I wonder if the voltage determines the current?

My guess would be it depends on the choice of charging cable, you need a liquid cooled cable to go over 200A on CCS. The unit could be 350A cable but fitted with gen1 CCS cables.

the_amazing_raisin

innrain wrote: »

Could be this unit?
https://electricmobility.efacec.com/high-power-ultra-fast-charging-station-350-kw/

I think it's the G1 version, the screen is angled from the pictures which matches the older version

https://electricmobility.efacec.com/ev-high-power/

innrain

Could be this unit?
https://electricmobility.efacec.com/high-power-ultra-fast-charging-station-350-kw/

the_amazing_raisin

liamog wrote: »

That spec plate illustrates well how these work, notice how the AC input is just 1.5kW to run the unit. The rest is a direct DC input from the units inside the wooden gated area.
Guess we'll have to start calling them charge points now

Also notice how the CCS output is rated for 920V. I think that means the charger can do 800V as long as one car is plugged in, then it'll split the voltage

The max current looks to be either 200 or 350A. I wonder if the voltage determines the current?

We'll need a Taycan or Ioniq 5 driver to test it out at some point

KCross

Black_Knight wrote: »

No service station there at the moment though, no?

In Eastgate? No, there isn’t, but who cares.
There is a decent Mace(?) shop, deli, coffee shops, KFC etc.
It’s easy to get on/off the main route into Cork. Lots of parking space and I’d assume good electricity supply into the retail park already.

It’s a good location, imo.

liamog

That spec plate illustrates well how these work, notice how the AC input is just 1.5kW to run the unit. The rest is a direct DC input from the units inside the wooden gated area.
Guess we'll have to start calling them charge points now

peposhi

Black_Knight wrote: »

If you're willing to get up close to them, there should be some manufacturers label) plate on the back, usually the bottom. Should be able to spec them up from that and see what the units are capable of (max power, load sharing?).

Pics.
Should be all live by the end of the week.
Old unit should be removed straight after.

the_amazing_raisin

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

That ‘slower’ 50kW unit will become the primarily used CHAdeMO plug as it’s cheaper (what’s the point of paying the extra few cent for at best an additional 10kW of speed from a hyper unit?)…… so the poor old non CCS Zoe drivers will suffer..

Is the old unit still in the app or something? That's showing 2 50kW chargers

liamog

Black_Knight wrote: »

CHAdeMO and CCS have max power of 50kW, Type 2 has max power of 22kW

It does seem a shame that they've installed a triple with a 22kW AC socket here. The only justification I could think to not install 4 of the new style chargers was to serve the 43kW AC Zoe community. But with this charger installed, I think they should of gone with a couple of AC posts somewhere else on site. Does this count as the first site to lose a 43kW AC connection?

AndyBoBandy

That ‘slower’ 50kW unit will become the primarily used CHAdeMO plug as it’s cheaper (what’s the point of paying the extra few cent for at best an additional 10kW of speed from a hyper unit?)…… so the poor old non CCS Zoe drivers will suffer..

Black_Knight

The triple head unit has power anyways.

https://myaccount.esbecars.com/stationFacade/findStationById?stationId=2026

CHAdeMO and CCS have max power of 50kW, Type 2 has max power of 22kW

Once the `socketPrices` gets populated it tends to appear on ecars site.

EDIT. Prices are in, unit is on the site and currently charging. Expect to see it appear/disappear from time to time though while they install it.

liamog

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I’d also love to see 2x Twin AC22’s located at these hub sites, for the folks that’ll be happy to spend 1-2 hours there (cheaper) AC charging as well as the non CCS Zoe drivers….

I don't see any value in mass AC charging at motorway services, if they provide them they should be locked to a minimum 20kW so that Zoe's can be assured of an adequate on-route charge.

Black_Knight

First upgraded NI unit!

Strand Road, Derry, Derry
A WallBox eVolve Smart T 22kW AC unit

Black_Knight

KCross wrote: »

I can only agree. Its very poorly serviced. All single units and not well placed except for maybe the Frankfield one.

They are all outcomes from the original eCars rollout from 2011 with no new development since so it is not fit for purpose by a long shot.

Fermoy and Rochestown are particularly badly placed. There is a massive need for a hub somewhere easily accessible off the South Ring road and incoming from the East (maybe Eastgate retail park area).

No service station there at the moment though, no?

AndyBoBandy

I’d also love to see 2x Twin AC22’s located at these hub sites, for the folks that’ll be happy to spend 1-2 hours there (cheaper) AC charging as well as the non CCS Zoe drivers….

the_amazing_raisin

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

You get the feeling J14 will be pushed front and centre of any and all eCars propaganda from now on showing what they can do, and ‘look how great we are’…..

The issue I now have is the next 2-3 sites like this haven’t already been started yet, and going at eCars speed, it’ll be 18-36 months before we see any progress in this regard.

Absolutely, they don't just need to keep the momentum going they need to step it up

AndyBoBandy

You get the feeling J14 will be pushed front and centre of any and all eCars propaganda from now on showing what they can do, and ‘look how great we are’…..

The issue I now have is the next 2-3 sites like this haven’t already been started yet, and going at eCars speed, it’ll be 18-36 months before we see any progress in this regard.

eagerv

ELM327 wrote: »

Theres already an ecars 150kW on that route, I presume they would just look to add more capacity to the existing 150kW+50kW site as opposed to another new site

Yes, often stop at Kilcullen for a quick coffee but a bit of a mess atm with the parking spots, a few times would have had to wait had I needed to charge. With Ionity, just a quick 10-15 mins gives me loads to get home and never a wait..

ELM327

I think for current level of EV to the end of '21, a 150kW with loadsharing (2*CCS would be better but 1*CCS + 1 Chad is ok) and a co located 50kW is adequate.

What's going into J14 is Tesla/Ionity level of supply. You'd not see queuing at that site - so it could be argued with my loss mitigation hat on that it's an overspend. What should have gone in there is 1*350kW with 2*CCS and one 150kW with 1*CCS + 1*Chad, and do the groundwork for 8 stalls. The site there as I say is built now but will not meet or exceed demand for a number of years.

The case could be made that instead of that hub, 3 separate sites of 2 chargers could be built and is that a better use of resources?