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Deer Hunting RTE 1

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Hi programme on Tue 08 June, about Deer hunting, Prime time 2130 hr RTE 1.

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clivej

Prime Time never did the hunting or shooting community any favors.

meathstevie

clivej wrote: »

Prime Time never did the hunting or shooting community any favors.

I think you’re right. Be prepared for a lot of Bambi analogies, why don’t army snipers to do this very dangerous work, how can people own these weapons of mass destruction five mile lethal range icbm rifles and of course will someone think of the children....

Accompanied by a lot of tuttutting by O’Callaghan or whoever presents the program these days. I nearly forgot, an obligatory appearance by John and Bernie.

If it pans out to be any different I will be very pleasantly surprised.

tudderone

It'll be a cringe fest or a stitch-up job, and i wouldn't watch it for all the tea in China.

Grizzly 45

Must be Covid silly season in RTE... Got us maxxed out on Covid and now have to show something that the GP can feel outraged by

Be interesting to see which MUGS have been suckered into representing or thought they could do some free PR and had zero clues about dealing with the media for our side of the argument.:rolleyes:

Ok let's see what sort of hatchet job will be done AGAIN on us by Slimetime investigates:(:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

garrettod

I think I'll start drafting my letters of complaint to both RTE and the BAI now, for the lack of balanced coverage, inaccurate reporting, sinister background music etc.

yubabill

They took a more lighthearted approach to shooting in the last piece they did a few weeks ago on RTE. The last PT hatchet job on shooting got something like 50 complaints to the BAI, so I'll be surprised if they attempt another one. Still have to consider the recent slant RTE has been taking, along with the fact that the Ecos are in government, so maybe I should be more cautious. I did hear that there's a lot of TB in the deer population this year, maybe that's the angle.

Even though it's almost impossible to get a BAI complaint upheld, tonight will tell if our efforts had any effect.

garrettod

yubabill wrote: »

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Though it's almost impossible to get a BAI complaint upheld, tonight will tell if our efforts had any effect.

If RTE come out with more sh1te tonight, it'll be important that the number of complaints is significantly higher than last time, as they can't be allowed to just keep pumping out the same old crap to suit a few personal agendas.

athlone573

garrettod wrote: »

If RTE come out with more sh1te tonight, it'll be important that the number of complaints is significantly higher than last time, as they can't be allowed to just keep pumping out the same old crap to suit a few personal agendas.

It could be interesting, Prime Time have a good reputation although I'm not sure what's so controversial about the current situation. Maybe Eamon Ryan's idea of using wolves for population control will get a mention.

Odelay

I don’t know. Maybe it won’t be so bad and they’ll be giving some handy tips.

Melodeon

Here's their online article on it:
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2021/0608/1226923-deer-seal-culling-overpopulation/

It appears to be about the culling of deer and seals.
They have some thoughts from the beloved Mr. Carmody too.

Bog Trotter99

See how they mix the culling of deer which is justified with the culling of seals which can never be justified.

Put the two together and you get nasty men with guns.

Asus1

On the face of the above article it looks like a fairly balanced program except for a few crazy ideas from you would imagine rational adults.Darting seals with a contraception dart and talking about deer and saying they are the same as cats and dogs is something a teenager might say.
The idea that animals should control their own population is absolutely the right idea but unfortunately an idea that is not feasible as long as humans are around interfering with the world.
If people think shooting a deer in a field while it's eating it's breakfast is horrible they would be absolutely freaked out if they seen how chicken,beef or lamb was produced.

meathstevie

I’m pleasantly surprised by Éanna Ní Lamhna’s point on anthropomorphism and apparent refusal to eliminate culling as an option. But then again I’ve been pleasantly surprised by her point of view on the Derek Mooney show on a few occasions before.

She’s an environmentalist for sure but far from a blinkered fundamentalist as well. I reckon she’s a lot closer to Prince Charles’ school of thought than she would be to the animal rights looney fringe.

Feisar

I'll stick it on this evening to see what sort of a slant is put on things.

meathstevie

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

See how they mix the culling of deer which is justified with the culling of seals which can never be justified.

Put the two together and you get nasty men with guns.

Don’t get me wrong but why could the culling of seals never be justified ? I’m not arguing that seals should be culled but I can’t see any reason why there couldn’t be a set of circumstances arising under which the culling of seals would be advisable.

There’s people living on the shores of the same Atlantic Ocean as we do whose ancestors for centuries have survived and thrived on the sustainable hunting of seals. Fur for clothes, meat and fat to eat, bones for needles and tools.

minktrapper

Asus1 wrote: »

On the face of the above article it looks like a fairly balanced program except for a few crazy ideas from you would imagine rational adults.Darting seals with a contraception dart and talking about deer and saying they are the same as cats and dogs is something a teenager might say.
The idea that animals should control their own population is absolutely the right idea but unfortunately an idea that is not feasible as long as humans are around interfering with the world.
If people think shooting a deer in a field while it's eating it's breakfast is horrible they would be absolutely freaked out if they seen how chicken,beef or lamb was produced.

Maybe humans should control their own population.

meathstevie

minktrapper wrote: »

Maybe humans should control their own population.

In our part of the world we do exactly that. Have you any idea how many million women in Europe are on the pill and how many hundreds of millions of condoms are sold and used every year ? On top of that the education system and housing etc etc is all geared towards small family groups of four maybe five people.

Bog Trotter99

meathstevie wrote: »

Don’t get me wrong but why could the culling of seals never be justified ? I’m not arguing that seals should be culled but I can’t see any reason why there couldn’t be a set of circumstances arising under which the culling of seals would be advisable.

You cant have a fishing policy which catches fish then dumps them dead back in the sea because you have caught over the limit, or leave them to rot somewhere.

Blame the EU it is their policy and they just will not change it yet claim to be environmental.

As regards culling of seals. Well if your country doesn't eat all the fish in your waters, then why should your seals be culled because another countries boats scoop up all the fish in your waters? Do you let French or Spanish farmers for example take all your crops off your farmers fields and instruct you to control the pests that attack them?

Bog Trotter99

minktrapper wrote: »

Maybe humans should control their own population.

100%

Most countries do not have a population problem and Ireland doesn't until now.

They say that children are our future. Children will actually be the death of the planet unless common sense is put into practise.

Richard308

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

See how they mix the culling of deer which is justified with the culling of seals which can never be justified.

Put the two together and you get nasty men with guns.

In fairness, I think the culling of seals is probably justified, they’re destroying the breathing grounds of wild salmon and other species. I think (I’m open to correction) the population of seals is 10 times what it was in the 80’s

Bog Trotter99

Richard308 wrote: »

In fairness, I think the culling of seals is probably justified, they’re destroying the breathing grounds of wild salmon and other species. I think (I’m open to correction) the population of seals is 10 times what it was in the 80’s

It used to be not so long back that sea lice was killing the wild salmon. Sea lice explosion it was claimed due to situated salmon farms which have boomed since the 70's.

Are the true facts real or is the buck shifting?

athlone573

Richard308 wrote: »

In fairness, I think the culling of seals is probably justified, they’re destroying the breathing grounds of wild salmon and other species. I think (I’m open to correction) the population of seals is 10 times what it was in the 80’s

I would think that illegal fishing and lice infestation from fish farms is more to blame for any shortage of wild salmon than seals. It's great to see seals in our seas and harbours, they were threatened for too long, and if left alone nature will find a balance.

You can't say the same for sika which as an invasive species have reached epidemic proportions due to the lack of animal predators.

sheesh

Richard308 wrote: »

In fairness, I think the culling of seals is probably justified, they’re destroying the breathing grounds of wild salmon and other species. I think (I’m open to correction) the population of seals is 10 times what it was in the 80’s

Salmon breed in rivers.

sheesh

they did a big clear out (cull) of deer in killarney town park less than 2 years ago I heard there were signs up saying that part of the demesne were shut off from the public to cull deer. I don't know what the problem is.

Richard308

sheesh wrote: »

Salmon breed in rivers.

I am aware of that, but they travel from the sea inland.

useurowname

Caught it there. Too many deer, too many seals.. cull/don’t cull, probably need to cull, don’t know how many deer cos there’s been no survey. Animals rights people don’t like the cull idea, they want to give the seals contraceptives and rewild(wolves I’d assume)to sort out the deer. That’s the bones of it .

The pigeon man

Very balanced coverage. Great to see a scientist give his opinion that contraceptives for wild animals is entirely impractical. Far too many people think this is feasible instead of culling.

I found it funny when they stated that the deer hunter shooting under section 42 at night uses highly advanced technology, then he's shown using a red torch. In fairness thermal was shown a while after stating this.

meathstevie

I didn’t watch it but by the sound of things there’s grounds to be pleasantly surprised by RTÉ’s reporting on hunting related matters.

richiedel123

The pigeon man wrote: »

Very balanced coverage. Great to see a scientist give his opinion that contraceptives for wild animals is entirely impractical. Far too many people think this is feasible instead of culling.

I found it funny when they stated that the deer hunter shooting under section 42 at night uses highly advanced technology then he's shown using a red torch. In fairness thermal was shown a while after saying this.

Don't think the night time shooting bit should have been put into it. It will attract too much attention. The general population will think this is what's done now

kunekunesika

Loads of stuff you could find fault with, or could have been explored more, but not the hatchet job I expected.
Not link made between the increase forestry planting and deer expansion. No mention of deer not staying in the national park ( wild area) and coming out evey night for their dinner. No mention of how big of a wilderness you would need for the wolf ( that will solve every problem???).
Probably the big topic they dodged, what is the magic number? Who or how do you decide?
Was expecting much worse.