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French Open 2021

Floppybits

A few days away from the second Slam of the year. I guess for the men's Nadal has to be favourite. Is there anyone that beat him here? As for the ladies for me its wide open with 3 or 4 players that can win. I see Osaka has said she is not doing any press at the French Open for her mental health. I don't see her winning it.

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MisterAnarchy wrote: »

The trainer will be out soon.

or he might go for a long toilet break and drop out before the match in the next round

MisterAnarchy

Floppybits wrote: »

Djokovic drops the first set. This one could the match of the day. The future is looking good the Italian Tennis

The trainer will be out soon.

Floppybits

Djokovic drops the first set. This one could the match of the day. The future is looking good the Italian Tennis

Floppybits

Rob2D wrote: »

I dunno I think Murray won exactly as much as he deserved. His pusher style just isn't conducive to out and out winning all the time. I think his career is kinda spot on actually.

RE Roddick, yeah I think he could've been a lot more successful but he sort of fell off a cliff mentally once the big 3 really started getting going. Young Roddick was great.

Think you are being unfair there on Murray, he reached 11 grand slam finals and 21 semi finals and he lost in the final to either Federer or Djokovic. I don't think there is any other player in the this Federer, Nadal, Djokovic that has got to that many finals other than maybe Roddick.

NoviGlitzko

What a set of tennis from Musetti. Regardless of whatever the outcome of the match may be he can hold his head high.

Rob2D

I dunno I think Murray won exactly as much as he deserved. His pusher style just isn't conducive to out and out winning all the time. I think his career is kinda spot on actually.

RE Roddick, yeah I think he could've been a lot more successful but he sort of fell off a cliff mentally once the big 3 really started getting going. Young Roddick was great.

Rob2D

I've been saying it all week that those Lacoste stands are dangerous. Musetti could've broken an ankle there easily.

lostcat

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

Nadal-Sinner could be match of the day tokorrow.. but I honestly think it'll follow the same pattern as their first match last October. Straight sets for Nadal, close first two sets before Nadal runs away with the third. Could be wrong obviously, but I don't think Sinner is quite ready to win these kind of matches yet. He will be soon, but he's not there right now.

definitely the match of the day, can't see Sinner getting a set but would be nice if he can keep it tight for the duration.

The other side of the draw is shaping up better than I thought, Medvedev has given up his 'bambi on ice' impression on the clay and will give Tsisipas a good match tomorrow.

lostcat

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Whoop just seen Federer has withdrawn. Ah well.

only Federer could get away with this carry on: 'i'm fit but withdrawing mid-way through a Slam to maximise my opportunities in nicer tournaments in a few weeks'.

then again, I guess we take what we can get at this stage as regards sightings of the great one...

Rikand

Slashermcguirk wrote: »

The following players probably would have won a slam or multiple slams if Fed, Nadal and Djoko were not so dominant:

Nalbandian
Nishikori
Berdych
Ferrer

To a lesser extent Tsonga, he was too up and down but on his day he could beat anyone. Del Potro had he not been injured so much would have won more than his solitary US open.

As for Murray, he could well have wonva lot more but many of his issues were self inflicted. I lost count of the number of times he would get pulled into unnecessary 5 set slog fests in the 1st and 2nd rounds in slams to players he should be beating in straight sets. He just wasn't as ruthless as the top 3 as well as obviously not being as good. He had a pretty decent record vs Federer overall but a dismal record in slams. Nadal and Djokovic had a dominant head to head against him

Roddick could have won about 10

NoviGlitzko

Whoop just seen Federer has withdrawn. Ah well.

NoviGlitzko

I think the potential Nadal/Scwartzman match will be fascinating. Really hope Federer continues, will understand if he doesn't.

Absolutely delighted Serena lost and great performance by Rybakina.

yerwanthere123

Nadal-Sinner could be match of the day tokorrow.. but I honestly think it'll follow the same pattern as their first match last October. Straight sets for Nadal, close first two sets before Nadal runs away with the third. Could be wrong obviously, but I don't think Sinner is quite ready to win these kind of matches yet. He will be soon, but he's not there right now.

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josip

Floppybits wrote: »

There are a few of them coming to the end of the road now that didn't have the careers they deserve. The main one would be Murray, how many more slams would he have if there wasn't a Djokovic, Federer or Nadal in the way.

That's a reasonably long list after the 'if'

How many slams would Federer have if there wasn't a Nadal or Djokovic in the way? 30 ?

Girly Gal

There's no doubt that the big 3 pushed each other to higher levels, but, all 3 especially Djokovic left absolutely no stone unturned in an effort to get the very last bit out of themselves I'm not so sure that can be said about the next gen players or some of the players listed above, Murray being the exception.

It's the same in every sport, the very best put absolutely everything into it and are willing to make massive sacrifices to be the best it's often this that's the difference between the greats and the good players. Even between the big 3 I'd argue that Federer is definitely the most naturally talented, but, both Nadal and Djokovic have worked harder to get to his level, it's why when matches between them became a battle of attrition Federer usually lost.

klr87

Slashermcguirk wrote: »

The following players probably would have won a slam or multiple slams if Fed, Nadal and Djoko were not so dominant:

Nalbandian
Nishikori
Berdych
Ferrer

To a lesser extent Tsonga, he was too up and down but on his day he could beat anyone. Del Potro had he not been injured so much would have won more than his solitary US open.

As for Murray, he could well have wonva lot more but many of his issues were self inflicted. I lost count of the number of times he would get pulled into unnecessary 5 set slog fests in the 1st and 2nd rounds in slams to players he should be beating in straight sets. He just wasn't as ruthless as the top 3 as well as obviously not being as good. He had a pretty decent record vs Federer overall but a dismal record in slams. Nadal and Djokovic had a dominant head to head against him

Soderling could be in that list as well. Likewise Anderson, whose best days are probably behind him. Also, so many slam finals have involved two of the Big 3, there must be still other players who would have at least reached a final if they didn't have those to contend with. Dimitrov has reached the semi-final of Wimbledon, the Australian Open and the US Open, and must be wondering at 30 years old if he ever will get to a slam final.

Agreed on Murray getting pulled into far too many dogfights. Curiously though, if the Big 3 weren't there, he might have won more than 3 slams without ever having to play as well as he did.

klr87

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

3 hours and 10 minutes on court for Swiatek, won't exactly help her singles prospects.

Hopefully she'll be OK. All her other matches (singles and doubles) have been straight sets, and she's playing late tomorrow evening against Kostyuk.

Slashermcguirk

The following players probably would have won a slam or multiple slams if Fed, Nadal and Djoko were not so dominant:

Nalbandian
Nishikori
Berdych
Ferrer

To a lesser extent Tsonga, he was too up and down but on his day he could beat anyone. Del Potro had he not been injured so much would have won more than his solitary US open.

As for Murray, he could well have wonva lot more but many of his issues were self inflicted. I lost count of the number of times he would get pulled into unnecessary 5 set slog fests in the 1st and 2nd rounds in slams to players he should be beating in straight sets. He just wasn't as ruthless as the top 3 as well as obviously not being as good. He had a pretty decent record vs Federer overall but a dismal record in slams. Nadal and Djokovic had a dominant head to head against him

Floppybits wrote: »

There are a few of them coming to the end of the road now that didn't have the careers they deserve. The main one would be Murray, how many more slams would he have if there wasn't a Djokovic, Federer or Nadal in the way.

klr87

Girly Gal wrote: »

Serena out now, not surprised as she looks very slow around the court, looks like number 24 is out of reach

After Azarenka lost earlier to Pavlyuchenkova, Serena looked to have a straightforward path to the final, although winning that might have been a very difficult proposition.

The French has been her poorest slam since she returned to the tour in 2017. I think she's just not putting in the effort on clay anymore. She's played two matches in Rome in that time, and none in Madrid. She did play a smaller event in Parma this year, but lost to the first good player she faced (Siniakova).

She'll try harder to win Wimbledon, even without playing a warm-up tournament. But there are a lot of good grass court players who probably won't be seeded. She can't get lucky with draws for ever (... can she?)

The women's draw is now completely unbalanced, and there could be another one-sided final this year.

Floppybits

Rob2D wrote: »

Kei looking like he's nearing the end of his road as well. Which is a shame. I don't think he ever quite got the career he deserved.

There are a few of them coming to the end of the road now that didn't have the careers they deserve. The main one would be Murray, how many more slams would he have if there wasn't a Djokovic, Federer or Nadal in the way.

Slashermcguirk

Federer was basically saying in recent days his mind is on Wimbledon. That is hugely disrespectful to the French open organisers and public. If Djokovic pulled out like that he would be getting abuse left, right and centre. Federer is the media darling and they dare not say a bad word about him.

Disappointed to see such a poor showing here from Nishikori. Really thought he would win more than he did, a very talented and likeable player but he never quite lived up to the heights I expected. I thought back around 2013 he was destined to win a few slams, would love to have seen it. David Nalbandian was similar, he was even better and on his day he was nearly unbeatable but just never got the slam wins his talent and ability promised

yerwanthere123

Rob2D wrote: »

Kei looking like he's nearing the end of his road as well. Which is a shame. I don't think he ever quite got the career he deserved.

If I could reverse just one result in tennis, that US Open final against Cilic would be pretty high up there.

Girly Gal

glasso wrote: »

As the current joint record men's GS titles holder, quitting on the stool before a match in the second week of a GS is poor.

Don't be in it if you're not trying to win it.

If you're not Nadal you know you're unlikely to win it! Federer knows his own body and obviously knows his body can't take another match tomorrow. Federer used the French Open to find out if his body could stand up to GS level tennis after his long layoff, I have no problem with that, obviously he's found out that his body can't take it right now, he also knows continuing on risks his participation at Wimbledon which is likely to be his last one, so I don't really blame him for pulling out. He had nothing to gain and a lot to potentially lose.

[Deleted User]

As the current joint record men's GS titles holder, quitting on the stool before a match in the second week of a GS is poor.

Don't be in it if you're not trying to win it.

Girly Gal

Furze99 wrote: »

Very disrespectful to both Koepfer, the tournament and the public for that matter. Federer raised his arms in victory last night, to pull out today without any real injury is not really on. I wonder will he be fined and/or penalised in any way. If he tries to enter again, maybe they'll put him in the qualifiers.

Why disrespectful to Koepfer, he wasn't able to beat a clearly tiring Federer, it would be a lot more disrespectful to retire from a match he was winning and went onto win. In all likelihood he'd likely have had to retire during his next match or take a really heavy defeat, so at least this way the organisers and Berrettini know in plenty time and can plan accordingly.

Rob2D

Kei looking like he's nearing the end of his road as well. Which is a shame. I don't think he ever quite got the career he deserved.

Furze99

whiterebel wrote: »

That's terrible. Much as Koepfer wasn't a bundle of manners, its extremely ignorant to him as well. He should have had every evantuality planned well in advance and shaken hands (or racquets) and given him the win.

Very disrespectful to both Koepfer, the tournament and the public for that matter. Federer raised his arms in victory last night, to pull out today without any real injury is not really on. I wonder will he be fined and/or penalised in any way. If he tries to enter again, maybe they'll put him in the qualifiers.

Girly Gal

Serena out now, not surprised as she looks very slow around the court, looks like number 24 is out of reach

Rjd2

Girly Gal wrote: »

Why give Koepfer the win, he beat him fair and square, the match obviously drained Federer more than he thought it would, at the end of the day he's almost 40, been out for over a year and only played 2 or 3 matches before the French Open. If he hadn't withdrawn, it's likely he would have had to retire during the match anyway, which think is actually worse, because he would have known coming into the match he probably wouldn't be able to finish it, so at least this way everyone can just get on with it. I don't like seeing walkovers either, but, I don't think Federer took this decision lightly and it probably means his knees aren't up to Grand Slam level tennis anymore, which will probably be proven at Wimbledon if he's involved in an extended match.

I have nothing against Koepfer, but if he can't beat a near 40 year old Roger on his worst surface who is clearly worried about his body, then nope I have no sympathy whatsoever.

I'm not keen on the call, but I understand it from a pragmatic POV.