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Details from the dail on the eCars €10,000,000 expansion programme.

The key elements include six high speed charging hubs on motorways capable of charging eight vehicles simultaneously; 16 high speed charging hubs capable of charging four vehicles simultaneously; additional high power chargers at 34 current 50 kW locations; upgrading over 50 22 kW chargers to 50 kW, and replacing up to 264 locations with 528 charge points at the pre-existing pilot grade of 22 kW to next generation high reliability models.

https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2019-01-24/10/?fbclid=IwAR1eGLQjNFuywCoaB__FJADns7gNOD09DaR9XLueHAKZ8vljfd-kL-_LpDs

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Black_Knight

cannco253 wrote: »

Since J14 is getting close to being finished, does anyone know what Hub will be next?

Mullingar, Co Westmeath
Oranmore, Co Galway
Lahey, Co Donegal
Junction 14, Mayfield

I'd guess somewhere which perhaps has infrastructure already. Id guess the M1 lacks chargers because perhaps it lacks power. Mullingar perhaps so? In keeping with the oodles of HPC in the Midlands.

slave1

Plenty of room on Enfield services to put a few more in, those places overflowing with parking spaces

the_amazing_raisin

cannco253 wrote: »

Since J14 is getting close to being finished, does anyone know what Hub will be next?

Mullingar, Co Westmeath
Oranmore, Co Galway
Lahey, Co Donegal
Junction 14, Mayfield

I'm gonna guess something on the M1 since there's no ESB hubs of any description on that route

Or possibly the M4, somewhere around Enfield, I vaguely remember there was a hub location somewhere around there from that map ESB showed years ago

cannco253

Since J14 is getting close to being finished, does anyone know what Hub will be next?

Mullingar, Co Westmeath
Oranmore, Co Galway
Lahey, Co Donegal
Junction 14, Mayfield

the_amazing_raisin

slave1 wrote: »

We’re just picking between ourselves, eCars are doing nothing from a strategy perspective, if they were it would be 250w hubs to see themselves over the next 5 years.
Instead they are installing for legacy EVs.
No foresight.

A 250W hub would be low ever for ESB, you'd be better off using a laptop power supply

I've always said that if ESB electrified their entire fleet and gave out EVs as company cars then the charging network would suddenly improve

They say you should never trust a chef who doesn't eat the food they cook. The same can be applied to charging networks

Black_Knight

slave1 wrote: »

We’re just picking between ourselves, eCars are doing nothing from a strategy perspective, if they were it would be 250w hubs to see themselves over the next 5 years.
Instead they are installing for legacy EVs.
No foresight.

At least their new hub is CCS dominated, that's something from ecars. Pity about the 22kW AC (no overstay, serves very few if any, blocks a DC space if it's in use).
You'd hope they've put in the underground electrics for the future and units for the present.

slave1

We’re just picking between ourselves, eCars are doing nothing from a strategy perspective, if they were it would be 250w hubs to see themselves over the next 5 years.
Instead they are installing for legacy EVs.
No foresight.

electricus

liamog wrote: »

I'm not sure why you believe that eCars should be installing substandard equipment on motorways, nor am I sure why you believe eCars shouldn't install DC equipment in suburban areas despite showing thats exactly what is happening in mature markets.

Do you think the network is now too good, and eCars should dial down their plans. I'm not sure many people would agree with that.

More availability of 'fast' DC charge points in urban areas would make EVs a viable option for apartment dwellers and others who can't charge at home.

liamog

McGiver wrote: »

They've always been but the DC:AC ratio is 1:10. That's the whole bloody point.

Do you have anything to add or comment on the original 50 kW DC issue rather then going on an everlasting tangent?

I'm not sure why you believe that eCars should be installing substandard equipment on motorways, nor am I sure why you believe eCars shouldn't install DC equipment in suburban areas despite showing thats exactly what is happening in mature markets.

Do you think the network is now too good, and eCars should dial down their plans. I'm not sure many people would agree with that.

McGiver

liamog wrote: »

Thanks for providing more evidence that operators are rolling out DC chargers in suburban areas, looks like more operators are seeing that's a suitable addition to the charging spread.

They've always been but the DC:AC ratio is 1:10. That's the whole bloody point.

Do you have anything to add or comment on the original 50 kW DC issue rather then going on an everlasting tangent?

McGiver

peposhi wrote: »

The old unit will be removed completely. I was hoping they will leave 2 * 22Kw AC chargers there but that won’t happen...

They should leave them there, I agree. But again, there's nothing logical or calculated in Ecars. Their only strategy is to take our money (EU and local taxpayer's) and show (PR) it was well spent. Lately, they don't even attempt the PR.

Typically, in Europe, you'd have multiple 150 kW, multiple 50 kW and one 2x 22 kW AC at hubs. The latter two as backups.

liamog

McGiver wrote: »

This is nonsense. You cheery picked one example and were then shown that it was not true, yet you insist on this notion even now despite the evidence.

Thanks for providing more evidence that operators are rolling out DC chargers in suburban areas, looks like more operators are seeing that's a suitable addition to the charging spread.

McGiver wrote: »

And back to the topic, I insist, as others pointed out, that 50 kW DC, is still usable as a secondary resource on motorway hubs. Your idea that they are not is, again, in denial of reality - look at NL, NO, AT etc at plugshare (if you haven't been there).

What's the point of an operator installing one extra 50kW unit, when everyone would benefit from that physical spot being supplied with a high power unit instead.

McGiver

liamog wrote:

We actually covered that in an old thread, I found multiple examples of DC charging stations located in towns in Norway and The Netherlands. Turns out the mature markets are heading that way, as are Tesla with their lower power urban superchargers.

This is nonsense. You cheery picked one example and were then shown that it was not true, yet you insist on this notion even now despite the evidence.

AC outnumbers DC by a factor of 3 or more in these markets, in the cities. If you look at the stats for a given urban area you see much more AC than DC.

Groningen, Eindhoven, The Hague - I see more green than orange.

Vienna City- 100 kW+ DC vs 50 kW DC vs AC - I see 10:40:500 ratio

I hope this is settled for good.

How many Tesla superchargers locations are there in the Ireland please? Just a few. It must be some kind of a joke talking about Tesla in this context, really.

And back to the topic, I insist, as others pointed out, that 50 kW DC, is still usable as a secondary resource on motorway hubs. Your idea that they are not is, again, in denial of reality - look at NL, NO, AT etc at plugshare (if you haven't been there).

Busman Paddy Lasty

cannco253 wrote: »

"So I went Ionity, withing few minutes all 4 bays full, 1 car waiting!"

I wonder if they were ID.3 owners using up the free credits they got last year? What EVs were using Ionity out of curiosity?

Taycan, Model 3, EQC and an ID.3. Myself and another poor scümbag in eNiros.

silver_sky

That's a pity. It'd be good to have 22kW's in these locations for PHEVs and the likes. Even just one on the end of the row.

peposhi

Black_Knight wrote: »

Wait so it's 3 HPC and 1 ye Olde 50kW unit? Wonder will they keep the old triple head too?

So 8 cars can charge, but 1 of them will be using AC.
If they keep the old triple head then I think it'll be ok for leaf drivers. If it's a single CHAdeMO head on site it's a bit ****e for them.

The old unit will be removed completely. I was hoping they will leave 2 * 22Kw AC chargers there but that won’t happen...

AndyBoBandy

cannco253 wrote: »

So if 2 cars are charging on the CCS only unit does that mean 75kW each?

At the IEVOA meeting the eCars guy said they'd both get 150kW....

but you know.... eCars etc......

the_amazing_raisin

cannco253 wrote: »

So if 2 cars are charging on the CCS only unit does that mean 75kW each?

I think that's the case yes

cannco253

So if 2 cars are charging on the CCS only unit does that mean 75kW each?

the_amazing_raisin

Black_Knight wrote: »

Wait so it's 3 HPC and 1 ye Olde 50kW unit? Wonder will they keep the old triple head too?

So 8 cars can charge, but 1 of them will be using AC.
If they keep the old triple head then I think it'll be ok for leaf drivers. If it's a single CHAdeMO head on site it's a bit ****e for them.

Is the triple head not a high power unit?

Better if it is a 50kW as the slower charging cars will use it

Black_Knight

Silent Running wrote: »

It certainly does look like a CCS plug though.

Don't get me wrong... I'm certainly not rooting for it to be Chademo.

No sign of it on their API yet. Won't be anything until the morning at best, or whenever they start testing them.

Silent Running

Black_Knight wrote: »

Thought that was just part of the top of the unit. The plug handle on that side of that unit certainly looks like CCS. Could we get a better pic peposhi

It certainly does look like a CCS plug though.

Don't get me wrong... I'm certainly not rooting for it to be Chademo.

KCross

Silent Running wrote: »

It looks like you can see an O peeping out of the top of the sign on the second last unit, on the left side.

Possibly. Looking at other sign though the O wouldn’t be that far right but it’s hard to tell.

Black_Knight

Silent Running wrote: »

It looks like you can see an O peeping out of the top of the sign on the second last unit, on the left side.

Thought that was just part of the top of the unit. The plug handle on that side of that unit certainly looks like CCS. Could we get a better pic peposhi

Silent Running

Black_Knight wrote: »

Ah I missed the signs. Looks to me like 2 HCP are CCS only, 1 is mixed, and 1 triple head 50kW unit. That'd be my recommendation of CCS to CHAdeMO head ratios, but the 50kW is a bit disappointing. Guess those old Zoe's and slower charging cars need to be catered for too. Ideally the old triple head will remain also.

KCross wrote: »

It looks to me like they have 3 x HPC with only one Chademo cable and 5 CCS. I wonder is that Chademo 200A capable since it’s on a HPC?

The fourth charger, an FPC, has Chademo, CCS and AC with the AC looking like it is just a 32A connector rather than AC43 since there is no cable hanging off it.

So two Chademo slots out of 8. Looks like a good setup to be honest.

When is it to all go live?

It looks like you can see an O peeping out of the top of the sign on the second last unit, on the left side.

Black_Knight

KCross wrote: »

It looks to me like they have 3 x HPC with only one Chademo cable and 5 CCS. I wonder is that Chademo 200A capable since it’s on a HPC?

The fourth charger, an FPC, has Chademo, CCS and AC with the AC looking like it is just a 32A connector rather than AC43 since there is no cable hanging off it.

So two Chademo slots out of 8. Looks like a good setup to be honest.

When is it to all go live?

Think end of June was always what they aimed for. I've notes from the ievoa meeting last year in this thread here somewhere.

KCross

Silent Running wrote: »

It looks like two of those HPCs have Chademo on them, and one with two CCS heads.

It looks to me like they have 3 x HPC with only one Chademo cable and 5 CCS. I wonder is that Chademo 200A capable since it’s on a HPC?

The fourth charger, an FPC, has Chademo, CCS and AC with the AC looking like it is just a 32A connector rather than AC43 since there is no cable hanging off it.

So two Chademo slots out of 8. Looks like a good setup to be honest.

When is it to all go live?

Black_Knight

Silent Running wrote: »

It looks like two of those HPCs have Chademo on them, and one with two CCS heads.

Ah I missed the signs. Looks to me like 2 HCP are CCS only, 1 is mixed, and 1 triple head 50kW unit. That'd be my recommendation of CCS to CHAdeMO head ratios, but the 50kW is a bit disappointing. Guess those old Zoe's and slower charging cars need to be catered for too. Ideally the old triple head will remain also.

Silent Running

Black_Knight wrote: »

Wait so it's 3 HPC and 1 ye Olde 50kW unit? Wonder will they keep the old triple head too?

So 8 cars can charge, but 1 of them will be using AC.
If they keep the old triple head then I think it'll be ok for leaf drivers. If it's a single CHAdeMO head on site it's a bit ****e for them.

It looks like two of those HPCs have Chademo on them, and one with two CCS heads.

Black_Knight

peposhi wrote: »

Ready to part with 75% of your car lol

Wait so it's 3 HPC and 1 ye Olde 50kW unit? Wonder will they keep the old triple head too?

So 8 cars can charge, but 1 of them will be using AC.
If they keep the old triple head then I think it'll be ok for leaf drivers. If it's a single CHAdeMO head on site it's a bit ****e for them.