oisinog wrote: » You know what I have had enough of you on to the ignore list you go. You have given one example of cost claimed your employer gives you free lunch and breakfast I'm not believing any of it. Well except having children and an ev
GreeBo wrote: » We dont use it to keep employees in the office, no one is working 12 hours a day. Its there as a perk for employees, just like pension and healthcare, optician visits, christmas parties, etc, etc. You seem to have a real negative opinion of employers for some reason. I have a positive view, because I choose to look at it in a positive manner....;)
ineedeuro wrote: » No As above google and other companies use it to keep employees in the office. Someone thinks getting a "free" breakfast and dinner is worth it, in reality it costs them maybe a euro to feed the employee but they have them in the office 12 hours a day. They of course are only paying for them to work 9-5. I had friends who went to google, said it was hilarious that even after been told it was a scam the place was full every morning & evening. People ended up chained to work as no social life outside of work.
oisinog wrote: » I calling bull on everything there are not too many employers in this country who offer you free food twice or 3 times a day.
oisinog wrote: » You talk about extra costs of 10 or 15 more a month and thats fair enough if it is costing you more I understand how that can impact you.
oisinog wrote: » I have asked you on several occassions on how else it impacts you not everyone else and you have passed over that question.
oisinog wrote: » Me personaly I have found that wfh has reduced my costs (I cycled to work so that was free). I no longer have childcare as myslef of my wife can take my kids and collect them from school I no longer pay overpriced food in the city center but for me Cost is not the real benefit. I get to spend more time with my Children as I can get some of the stuff I normally done after work done during the day I have been able to use my lunch times to go to the Gym (couldn't do this when I worked in the city center as my gym membership was closer to my house) I have been able to support my local community either by using the shops or supporting community incentives. I dont always enjoy working from home there are days where my Internet drops out and have difficulty getting a hold of people with projects due but all in all it has been a postive experience because I have wanted it to be.
ineedeuro wrote: » Bulk buy food, it won't cost 10 per day to feed employees for a company like google. Max a few euro. What they get in return is staff who would be earning a lot more per hour sitting in the office
oisinog wrote: » It seems mad to me say you give your staff an £10 per day budget (inclusive of staffing costs) and you have a staff of 650 and due to leave and sickness you have say 500 staff using the canteen every day that is a cost of £5k per day. Say the building is open 50 weeks a year thats £1.25M. I really can't see that
Sunny Disposition wrote: » I've never given workers free food, beyond reimbursing them for meals if they had to travel. Is this commonplace now? Surely not?
GreeBo wrote: » Again, you don't like the answer so you throw your toys out of the pram! How could my answer be any straighter? You asked for the impacts and I gave them to you. What are you calling "bull" on exactly?
ineedeuro wrote: » Google do free food but.... you get breakfast at 7 or something crazy like that and dinner at 7 that night. So in other words to get the free food you have to stay in the office all day long So yes you save a few quid on food but you have no life outside work.
oisinog wrote: » I'm calling Bull on this and at that I am no longer engaging. I ask what impacts it has on you and you cant give a straight answer
Flinty997 wrote: » We've had a few people hybrid for many years. But its not really a set day. They tend to come up for specific meetings rather than a set day. I don't know any who aren't long distances from the office. That's said I know people who do two hour each way commutes. So what's commuting distance depends really on the person.
GreeBo wrote: » Indeed there will, and when working from home, that cost increases. Cost of going to work was negligible, my commute was under 10 mins and I do much of that journey for childcare anyway. The company also provides free charging points. Cost of staying home is now: Heat, light, breakfast, lunch & electricity for direct costs. There are also indirect costs such as decreased productivity due to the inefficiencies of everyone not being together leading to more working hours and more stress. I and others have given numerous examples, you just dont like the answers.
a_squirrelman wrote: » I want one of these jobs with all the free food :(:( Feeling hard done by buying my own food for twenty years.
oisinog wrote: » You talk about costs, no matter where you work there will always be a cost to you.
oisinog wrote: » Tell me over the last year how much more has it cost you to work from home against how much it cost you to go to work.
oisinog wrote: » I still think you are avoiding the question
Flinty997 wrote: » 30% of Irish population live rurally. They can't all be unemployed.
[Deleted User] wrote: » Yeah, cos there's loads of jobs out in the suburbs and commuter towns dotted around Dublin. Do you not think that people ALREADY have exhausted such avenues when looking for employment? I mean, when I was applying for jobs I wasn't scouring places the other side of the country, I went where all the jobs are, centrally located in the CBDs of our cities. Your comment above is about as helpful as someone telling Greebo to build an extension onto his gaff and use that as an office.
haskellgeek wrote: » I personally see hybrid as the worst if both worlds as already posted here. Basically have to go into an office in a city centre for me so I'd have to live commuting distance at the least and then also have a desk at home and semi office. If that was presented to me I'd be in the office every day. I don't see the office as a social place that was dying long before covid for us but I also wouldn't mind if others were hybrid/wfh. I have asked myself to go fully remote as it suits me for now and looking longer term I could make that work but not a hybrid it would be wfh/office only. The lugging of equipment myself would annoy me enough.
Mrs OBumble wrote: » So look for a job located close to where you want to live.
[Deleted User] wrote: » My company certainly doesn't do this. You are judged by the work you produce, not your time keeping.
Deleted User wrote: » The hybrid model gives people a bit of everything, so whether you like WFH or WFO you get a bit of what you want. Hybrid is the fairest compromise.
Bass Reeves wrote: » It amazing when you give certain employee's freedom they will work harder to maintain these freedom's. For s large percentage of staff WFH whether hybrid or virtually full-time can have huge time and cost savings. These employees will often work harder and more efficiently than if in an office. For someone commuting 40 miles a day the cost saving on traveling by there own car can be 80-100 euro or more a week in costs and maybe 13+ hours in timesaving. Add in that this worker may be able to drop there kids to school and collect them in the evening. Employers were shocked that productivity increased, why wouldn't it when staff are way less tired when at work and are not rushing out the door to get home
CramCycle wrote: » Sorry for not reading the whole thread but here is my pre covid view of it: I lived with a guy working for a computer game company. They used to rent in the city centre, he rented with us in a medium/high rent price area. Then one day his manager clicked on the idea that they all work at desks that financially they could provide multiple times over if people worked from home. He offered the whole team whatever set up they wanted for home, a load left immediately, a few stayed. Everyone who stayed done well. He worked from home for a few years and it went fantastically. Loved it, He got flagged as a key employee by their San Fran team, his manager got a huge thumbs up for the idea, and the guy is earning more that I thought anyone could earn in video game design and implementation. Upped sticks, moved to the US, rents a cheap house way outside SF but can go in if ever needed. Pops into meet the office team on occasion for pizza and beer night and the company pay his hotel costs if its a long day because WFH just saves that much money if it is a possibility. I for one think that if you can mentally handle it, WFH is the way to go. If my jo didn't need physical work, I would do it in a heart beat and now make a conscious effort to timetable better and WFH once a week clearing paperwork.
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