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snotboogie

I noticed that the Limerick equivalent is a very popular thread over on their forum so I thought I might get one going here. To kick things off I'll list the bigger current projects I can think of:

Under Construction

Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19'

89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18'

Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'

Various Student Accommodation: Western Road and Beamish site are under construction, Crows Nest has planning and should start soon, Square Deal is facing appeals, Coca-Cola site on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? O’Riordans Joinery, Gillen House on Farranlea Road, Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road and Copely Street are all at various stages of planning and/or limbo.

Planning/Appealed

Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Uncertain when the final decision will be. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin in Q4 this year with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.

Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 12 storeys and 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy.

Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, nothing happened on site since.

Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No date for work to start.

Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting.

In Limbo

Event Centre: 6000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Most would be shocked to see this start in 2018.

Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last week but I'd be shocked if it was related to the actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals.

Concept/Pre Planning

Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.

Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last week. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity

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namloc1980

mire wrote: »

Cork City badly needs density - the alternative is endless sprawl and hopeless urban services - but we can achieve this without loads of high rise - the answer is mid rise [4-8 stories] combined with huge investment in public transport

A load of 4-8 storey blocks would be horrendous - almost Soviet style housing. Take a look at the balls Dublin made of their docklands with a sprawl of low rise boxes and little more. Don't think we should be emulating that.

cgcsb

namloc1980 wrote: »

A load of 4-8 storey blocks would be horrendous - almost Soviet style housing. Take a look at the balls Dublin made of their docklands with a sprawl of low rise boxes and little more. Don't think we should be emulating that.

High rise is essential to make up the density gaps that we have due to the city's historic core. There are 2 options to improve density really, we can demolish all of Cork city and rebuild it in 8-10 story blocks. Paris and Barcelona did this (although they kept some historic buildings) in the 19th century and in the late 20th century they ended up building high rise blocks anyway. Or we could build high rise now and tell all the Helen Lovejoys to go live in Bantry or something.

Justin Credible Darts

newuser99999 wrote: »

No they really don’t. There’s a stark contrast between Galway and Cork.

I agree, I was in Waterford on tuesday, and even during this covid period the difference was stark - to use the word you used.

sadly some cork people get very defensive, they think its the centre of the universe.

Its a grey dank city, its my home, and whilst I love my home, I am not so blinkered that i cannot see the many flaws and see the current state of the place.

I dont care if San Francisco ,Washington, London or any other place on Earth has their problems, that does not alter the state of the city in Cork.

Parochial blindness wont change the fact there are junkies sleeping in doorways or pissheads stopping people begging on the street, multiple vicious assaults, on the main street, where one was stabbed in the middle of the day and was lucky he did not die, another slashed repeatedly with a bottle.....again during the day.

Am I happy it is like this ?...of course not,it is almost impossible to see any gardai patrolling the place, but I will be damned if some blinkered bias will try tell me what i see with me own eyes is the same everywhere else.

the beer revolu

satanta99 wrote: »

You’d swear you were living in Gotham City!

These are the types of things that happen in all cities.

There are no boarded up shops on Patrick Steeet. There are empty units from U.K. retailers that went bust during the pandemic. They will be re-let in the next few months.

It’s easy to critique the actions of the city authorities on an Internet forum but there are good initiatives rolling out all across the city.

There is a genuine sense of excitement around the city at the prospect of bars and restaurants opening for outdoor customers next week. Princes Street looks great.

Justin has a history of gross exaggeration when it comes to these matters.
I suspect he thinks he's an edgy, "tell it like it is" kind of guy.

I think it's actually kind of sad going through your life only being able to see the negatives and none of the positives around you.

Justin Credible Darts

the beer revolu wrote: »

Justin has a history of gross exaggeration when it comes to these matters.
I suspect he thinks he's an edgy, "tell it like it is" kind of guy.

I think it's actually kind of sad going through your life only being able to see the negatives and none of the positives around you.

are you saying there are no beggars and no junkies ?
no closed up shops
no vicious assaults

Which part of my post was untrue ?
You are another person who gets so defensive you automatically presume when someone says anything what you deem negative about the city, he is only doing it to be edgy.

Why is it so hard for you to accept what said which is true. Why do you appear to be so threatened by these comments ?

mike_cork

the beer revolu wrote: »

Justin has a history of gross exaggeration when it comes to these matters.
I suspect he thinks he's an edgy, "tell it like it is" kind of guy.

I think it's actually kind of sad going through your life only being able to see the negatives and none of the positives around you.

I live in Cork City Centre. I can assure Justin it's not the dystopian wasteland he seems to be trying to portray.
Yes Cork City has problems such as derelict buildings & vagrancy for example but that isn't exactly unique to Cork.
What Cork does need is
(1) More centre city apartments (and building up)
(2) Better public transport-We need less cars in the city. The lack of traffic in the city due to the past 12 months of lockdowns was amazing tbh.

Justin Credible Darts

the beer revolu wrote: »

Justin has a history of gross exaggeration when it comes to these matters..

man stabbed in broad daylight on patrick street in vicious attack

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40295468.html

man attacked with broken bottle on patrick street

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40114139.html

this 40 year old was killed on patrick street

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4701067/man-assault-cork-city-centre-six-weeks/
That is not counting the death and attacks elsewhere in the city......

where are these exaggerations you speak off ?

the beer revolu

are you saying there are no beggars and no junkies ?
no closed up shops
no vicious assaults

Of course not.
Cork is a city. All cities have the above.

Which part of my post was untrue ?
You are another person who gets so defensive you automatically presume when someone says anything what you deem negative about the city, he is only doing it to be edgy.

I said that you are prone to gross exaggeration and focusing only on the negative. I never said it was untrue. Many here would seem to agree that you are exaggerating.
I don't see this as being defensive.

Why is it so hard for you to accept what said which is true. Why do you appear to be so threatened by these comments ?

I am not in the least threatened. I try to just ignore such hyperbolic nonsense but, today I couldn't help myself.

Basically, for a city of its size, Cork is relatively safe and functional.
All cities have homelessness, dereliction, substance abuse, poverty, assaults, murders and antisocial behavior. I wish it wasn't so but it is.

I'd love for Cork to have less of the above and, perhaps if more people used and lived in the city these things could improve.

The reason why I, and I assume others, are bothered by your posts is because they create a false (imo) picture of the reality of life in the city. This helps no one.

rounders

Admins can this conversation be spun off into it's own thread? Call it some like "Is Cork City Centre Doomed? and leave them bitch and moan over there. This thread is supposed to be about development, not the crime rates in the city and junkies

Justin Credible Darts

then back up your mouth and show me examples of these "exaggerations"

Surely you must have them since you insist on repeating the claim.

leahyl

Any more news on the Prism and whether it's still happening or what?

mike_cork

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

man stabbed in broad daylight on patrick street in vicious attack

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40295468.html

man attacked with broken bottle on patrick street

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40114139.html

this 40 year old was killed on patrick street

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4701067/man-assault-cork-city-centre-six-weeks/
That is not counting the death and attacks elsewhere in the city......

where are these exaggerations you speak off ?

You can post links for similar incidents for any city in the world.
I really am not understanding the bee in your bonnet about Cork City.

marno21

This thread was once a positive update thread for new developments in Cork.

To say it’s well and truly in the gutter is an understatement.

Any chance we could go back to the days of old? The current discourse is both awful and far from the original thread.

Justin Credible Darts

mike_cork wrote: »

You can post links for similar incidents for any city in the world.
I really am not understanding the bee in your bonnet about Cork City.

I thought it was fairly obvious.

I think the city centre sucks
not the suburbs, not the county, not all the people,

But people can get all defensive, put on the blinkers, and try to spin or deflect, but the reality is the centre is in a woeful state.

This covid s no excuse either as the homeless and substance abusers were prevalent long before covid, shops were boarded up before covid, and as posted multiple vicious assaults happening on the main street. Gardai were non existent then as they are now.

That is not counting what happens off patrick street which have seen more deaths over the years.

I am from cork, this is my home, and I hate seeing it like this, but I cannot pretend its not happening either. What sort of image does it portray to see junkies sleeping on the main thoroughfare of the city in the doorways of closed up units.

My argument, is who will want to move in to these proposed new apartments in the city, would you personally like to live in a box surrounded by that...if yes is your answer, good for you, I hope you will be happy.
But I suspect a lot of people would not like to live amongst that.

These new building will make the city look more impressive, but the issues with the centre need addressing badly.

cgcsb

the beer revolu wrote: »

Justin has a history of gross exaggeration when it comes to these matters.
I suspect he thinks he's an edgy, "tell it like it is" kind of guy.

I think it's actually kind of sad going through your life only being able to see the negatives and none of the positives around you.

I do wonder what these people do when they travel to the dreaded 'outside the state' to cities and countries with moderate to high levels of crime, drug abuse and homelessness. They must only be able to travel to Ireland and Scandavia because logically everywhere else in the world must be a sh!tehole, statistically speaking.

Justin Credible Darts

cgcsb wrote: »

I do wonder what these people do when they travel to the dreaded 'outside the state' to cities and countries with moderate to high levels of crime, drug abuse and homelessness. They must only be able to travel to Ireland and Scandavia because logically everywhere else in the world must be a sh!tehole, statistically speaking.

I have been to multiple cities in france and holland, been to berlin, and london, and almost all in this country, and dont see the homeless dosing down as much in the main street as they do in cork.

You think I take some sort of joy in this ? Do you think I enjoy seeing my home town as bad as this ? Loving my home does not negate the glaringly obvious issues.

I am all for the rejuvenation of the city, christ knows it certainly needs it, but stating the obvious social problems in the city center is met with people making out I am exaggerating the problems.
This parochial biased and blinkered deflection tactic how some cities in the states are just as bad....so what ?
What has that got to do with the facts I posted.

Beer revolution claims I have exaggerated things, but he fails to show these.
I have posted links to the assaults I mentioned
anyone with a set of working eyeballs can see the closed up shops and the homeless and junkies.
The parks like bishop lucy can be no go areas at times.
Hardly ever see a garda

But you think that is fine cos some other cities are equally as bad ?

Hibernicis

marno21 wrote: »

This thread was once a positive update thread for new developments in Cork.

To say it’s well and truly in the gutter is an understatement.

Any chance we could go back to the days of old? The current discourse is both awful and far from the original thread.

Couldn't agree more. As a long time lurker on this thread the recent bickering and tit-for-tat posting is infuriating and renders the thread unreadable. It would never happen in the Infrastructure forum........

rounders

Hibernicis wrote: »

Couldn't agree more. As a long time lurker on this thread the recent bickering and tit-for-tat posting is infuriating and renders the thread unreadable. It would never happen in the Infrastructure forum........

I used to use boards for all my construction news/updates in Cork. Got sick of all the bickering and trolling though so found a lot more welcoming community/website elsewhere.

I won't mention the name of the site out of fairness for Boards but lets just say the name is all about tall building and urban areas

namloc1980

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

I agree, I was in Waterford on tuesday, and even during this covid period the difference was stark - to use the word you used.

Put "Waterford stabbing" into google and it's an eye opener. You're just being deliberately obtuse to get a rise out of people.

namloc1980

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40304816.html

Article in the Echo about the funding announced for Cork suburban rail on Tuesday, however:

A spokesperson for the Department of Transport said this funding will see the construction of a number of different works by August 2026.

These include a new ‘through’ platform within Kent Station to create a suburban rail network between Mallow, Midleton, and Cobh as well as the re-signalling of the suburban rail network with a view to future electrification. It will also include double-tracking of the current single-track between Glounthaune and Midleton.

Is it just me or is that a painfully slow timescale to deliver what are really fairly modest upgrades. A new platform at Kent, resignalling a very modest network and double tracking c.8km of track. 5 years is depressingly slow.

Justin Credible Darts

namloc1980 wrote: »

Put "Waterford stabbing" into google and it's an eye opener. You're just being deliberately obtuse to get a rise out of people.

I did and guess what ? It was not on the main street of the city in the middle of the day....or did you conveniently choose to ignore that.
I posted just 3 on patrick street alone in recent times. I could post dozens more from elsewhere in the city center.

Which of the following are not true ?

the junkies in doorways on the main street of this city
multiple empty store units on the main street lying empty
beggars tapping on the street
parks like bishop lucy a no go area....even in daylight
Buildings collapsing in the city due to lack of maintenance
multiple violent assaults on the main street
a distinct lack of gardai

Even if Waterford descended to the levels of cork city center, how would that alter anything I said about the city center.
Saying somewhere else is just as bad wont negate things, and the fact you think I said these home truths in order to get a rise out of you, well that says more about your mindset.

Tij da feen

namloc1980 wrote: »

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40304816.html

Article in the Echo about the funding announced for Cork suburban rail on Tuesday, however:

Is it just me or is that a painfully slow timescale to deliver what are really fairly modest upgrades. A new platform at Kent, resignalling a very modest network and double tracking c.8km of track. 5 years is depressingly slow.

They also seem to be ignoring the fact that there used to be trains (maybe still is) that would run straight from Cobh - Mallow before, using Platform 5 in Kent.

I get the need for a new platform but it's not like this was something they've never done before.

Justin Credible Darts

these new proposed stations at blarney for example, will they be just on the cork mallow line.

Will blarney to midleton be a route or will it mean changing trains at kent station ?

questionmark?

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

these new proposed stations at blarney for example, will they be just on the cork mallow line.

Will blarney to midleton be a route or will it mean changing trains at kent station ?

Straight through running. Cobh/Mallow and Midleton/Mallow.

I can imagine the Cobh/Blarney section will do well with tourists from the cruise liners.

Justin Credible Darts

questionmark? wrote: »

Straight through running. Cobh/Mallow and Midleton/Mallow.

I can imagine the Cobh/Blarney section will do well with tourists from the cruise liners.

true.

Surprised they never thought of doing Cobh to Midleton in a single return route or make it Cork Cobh Midleton.

suspect as you say the tourists would visit the jamesons brewery too

rounders

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

these new proposed stations at blarney for example, will they be just on the cork mallow line.

Will blarney to midleton be a route or will it mean changing trains at kent station ?

One caveat to the funding announcement, it's only the upgrade to the lines and signalling to facilitate the opening of the stations. The stations aren't actually expected to be completed by 2026 or at least not at the moment with the funding being made available

Mardyke

I don't get the beef people have with Justin! What he's saying is correct. He clearly doesn't enjoy the fact that Cork has gone this way.

Nobody is going to convince me that Cork is being managed and patrolled correctly. It's a case study in neglect, ranging from the basics (illegal parking) to the criminal (400+ and counting empty decaying homes).

We all want Cork city centre to be a fantastic place. At the moment, it's not.

Justin Credible Darts

Mardyke wrote: »

I don't get the beef people have with Justin! What he's saying is correct. He clearly doesn't enjoy the fact that Cork has gone this way.

Nobody is going to convince me that Cork is being managed and patrolled correctly. It's a case study in neglect, ranging from the basics (illegal parking) to the criminal (400+ and counting empty decaying homes).

We all want Cork city centre to be a fantastic place. At the moment, it's not.

exactly....i dont want my home to be the way it is.
It seems like a case of attack the messenger (poster) for pointing out what is glaringly obvious in the city.

What impression will the tourists take home ?

This notion that mentioning these facts is done to get a rise is a sure sign of defensive mentality.

thomil

Rollout of "Parklets" by Cork City Council & partners is continuing. One has just been set up in Ballincollig, still waiting to be planted though.

https://twitter.com/BallincolligTT/status/1400385683743821830?s=20

I hope it's okay to interrupt the interpersonal bickering session for some actual developments, even if it's on a small scale.

mike_cork

thomil wrote: »

Rollout of "Parklets" by Cork City Council & partners is continuing. One has just been set up in Ballincollig, still waiting to be planted though.

https://twitter.com/BallincolligTT/status/1400385683743821830?s=20

I hope it's okay to interrupt the interpersonal bickering session for some actual developments, even if it's on a small scale.

That's really cool. Will be great to see more