The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

jmcc wrote: »

It is not my database or database design. Understanding the technical aspect is important moreso than relying on technologically ignorant people in the media. What hasn't been published is the database schema and examples of the data stored.

Regards...jmcc

Nah this isn't the "look at how smart the guy with the moronic tagline is" thread. It's the Sinn Féin thread, if the party acted incorrectly we can discuss it in straight terms. What you're at is the equivalent of people who throw around the Greek letters when discussing financial derivatives to cloud the fact they're regular bets.

Be honest and keep it simple, they screwed up, they won't admit it and now we're worried about what else they have screwed up on or whether it was a deliberate course of action.

FullyComp wrote: »

So they did use data incorrectly then? If we're clear on that can we just move on? Why the blatant deflection - no one cares about the technical ****e, they misused data. Why not hold your hands up, admit it and move on?

It is not my database or database design. Understanding the technical aspect is important moreso than relying on technologically ignorant people in the media. What hasn't been published is the database schema and examples of the data stored.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc wrote: »

It has, apparently remedied those failings. The DPC is auditing all the parties.

Regards...jmcc

So they did use data incorrectly then? If we're clear on that can we just move on? Why the blatant deflection - no one cares about the technical ****e, they misused data. Why not hold your hands up, admit it and move on?

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Going by that paragraph alone there are at least 5 things that sinn fein were doing wrong

It has, apparently remedied those failings. The DPC is auditing all the parties.

Regards...jmcc

StupidLikeAFox

jmcc wrote: »

This, rather than your opinion, is what matters:

"Elected representatives, electoral candidates and political parties may use information from the Electoral Register for electoral purposes. With the consent of the individual, they may send electronic direct communications and collect information directly from the individual. Personal data must be used safely and transparently in accordance with the principles of data protection, and those using personal data must have appropriate policies and safeguards in place."

https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/dpc-guidance/blogs/data-protection-and-canvassing

Regards...jmcc

Going by that paragraph alone there are at least 5 things that sinn fein were doing wrong

jm08 wrote: »

Her qualification is in Environmental Conservation Management from UCD. It looks like she worked for the Irish Wildlife Trust in Killarney National Park from

2005 to 2011 when she moved back to Dubln to work for Global Action Plan for Ballymun Regeneration Project. In 2014 she was elected an MEP.

Was she not handed a job for the boys number in Safefood by the army council before she was brought back to Dublin?

FullyComp wrote: »

I couldn't give a toss about database design. Sinn Féin were holding onto data they shouldn't have been, it doesn't matter who else did it, what server they used etc. They held onto data that they shouldn't have and that's all there is to it.

This, rather than your opinion, is what matters:

"Elected representatives, electoral candidates and political parties may use information from the Electoral Register for electoral purposes. With the consent of the individual, they may send electronic direct communications and collect information directly from the individual. Personal data must be used safely and transparently in accordance with the principles of data protection, and those using personal data must have appropriate policies and safeguards in place."

https://www.dataprotection.ie/en/dpc-guidance/blogs/data-protection-and-canvassing

Regards...jmcc

jmcc wrote: »

You've got to stop thinking of the people in the media as having a clue about database design and website architecture. In terms of expertise, they are just marginally above talking monkeys when it comes to technology. It is, by all accounts, a relatively simple marketing database.

Regards...jmcc

I couldn't give a toss about database design. Sinn Féin were holding onto data they shouldn't have been, it doesn't matter who else did it, what server they used etc. They held onto data that they shouldn't have and that's all there is to it.

blanch152 wrote: »

So, you believe that Sinn Fein have in-house IT security experts that can design and build a database of all voters in the country and secure from hackers?

I do not consider John Cummins to have a clue about technology or database and website design. He's a sort of goto for hissyfit quotes on the subject for the Sindo/Indo's Philip Ryan.

The schema for such a database, as described, is actually quite simple. For a professional, loading the data might take more time that designing the structure of the database. The real problem, from a database design viewpoint is not the structure of the database but the quality and integrity of the data being loaded. I provided a simplified explanation of what a database design would involve upthread. It is not a difficult thing to understand.

The question I have is why would Sinn Fein have this kind of expertise in-house before the database was built?

SF has websites that have to be continually updated and have to run election campaigns. It also, much like FG and FF, has its own membership databases that it has to continually update. That would require some knowledge of how to use databases and write some code for websites. Building such a website backed by a database is not extremely difficult. The most difficult aspect of the design would be scaling it for a large number of simultaneous users. There are some methods that can be used to deal with that. It may be more cost effective for SF to have employees with that expertise rather than outsourcing it.

Regards...jmcc

FullyComp wrote: »

So whats the justification in having a Stasi-esque database about every voter in Ireland?

You've got to stop thinking of the people in the media as having a clue about database design and website architecture. In terms of expertise, they are just marginally above talking monkeys when it comes to technology. It is, by all accounts, a relatively simple marketing database.

Regards...jmcc

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Fg are in government and SF are the opposition party. Unless you want to claim it's one FFG party.

Eoin O Broin literally said it is a referendum on housing.

It is NOT between FG and SF though, which is how Leo (whom you can read like a book on this) is trying to set it up so that he can claim a win for FG.

Necro

Cleaned up the thread a bit, please don't engage with the trolls folks. Cheers.

jimmycrackcorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Most by-elections are about the opposition v the government jimmy.

Varadkar is trying to make this a FG v SF one, so he can claim validation.

Fg are in government and SF are the opposition party. Unless you want to claim it's one FFG party.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No idea.

It has never been a SF V FG game in that constituency.

We get it, Leo needs a win even a manufactured one will do.

Eoin O Broin literally said it is a referendum on housing.

jm08

blanch152 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Boylan#:~:text=Lynn%20Boylan%20(Irish%3A%20Lynn%20N%C3%AD,constituency%20from%202014%20to%202019.

To be fair to you, it does seem that Lynn was for a short time employed "as a coordinator for the Irish Wildlife Trust at Killarney National Park."

Her qualification is in Environmental Conservation Management from UCD. It looks like she worked for the Irish Wildlife Trust in Killarney National Park from

2005 to 2011 when she moved back to Dubln to work for Global Action Plan for Ballymun Regeneration Project. In 2014 she was elected an MEP.

padd b1975 wrote: »

Tour guide?

Deer herder?

padd b1975

blanch152 wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Boylan#:~:text=Lynn%20Boylan%20(Irish%3A%20Lynn%20N%C3%AD,constituency%20from%202014%20to%202019.

To be fair to you, it does seem that Lynn was for a short time employed "as a coordinator for the Irish Wildlife Trust at Killarney National Park."

Tour guide?

SmokyMo wrote: »

It a basic requirement of any IT dev ops or infrastructure team. To be able to maintain a secure DB with DR scenarios and whatever availability they need to have.
There is nothing sinister here.

Well, when you have places like the HSE who can't defend against targetted IT attacks, and many others all over the world having gone down over the years, it is very strange that Sinn Fein have this bullet-proof and virus-proof database, accessible to all their members, built in-house and fully GDPR compliant.

Something doesn't add up.

SmokyMo

blanch152 wrote: »

So, you believe that Sinn Fein have in-house IT security experts that can design and build a database of all voters in the country and secure from hackers?

The question I have is why would Sinn Fein have this kind of expertise in-house before the database was built?

It a basic requirement of any IT dev ops or infrastructure team. To be able to maintain a secure DB with DR scenarios and whatever availability they need to have.
There is nothing sinister here.

I see the Provo Council are keeping up their aim of making sure that Lynn Boylan stays in a well paid job.

Has she ever held a job where she wasn't directly working for Sinn Fein or shoehorned into a taxpayer funded role by the party?

jmcc wrote: »

Well, the article had a foam flecked quote from FG's noted database "expert" John Cummins. (Did someone tell him that FG uses the same hosting company?)

The 482 Euro per annum cost for a server sounds about right. That's the hosting cost. The development seems to have been done in-house by SF. It was funny to see the sheer Dunning Krugerisms in full flight in that article.

Regards...jmcc

So, you believe that Sinn Fein have in-house IT security experts that can design and build a database of all voters in the country and secure from hackers?

The question I have is why would Sinn Fein have this kind of expertise in-house before the database was built?

jmcc wrote: »

Well, the article had a foam flecked quote from FG's noted database "expert" John Cummins. (Did someone tell him that FG uses the same hosting company?)

The 482 Euro per annum cost for a server sounds about right. That's the hosting cost. The development seems to have been done in-house by SF. It was funny to see the sheer Dunning Krugerisms in full flight in that article.

Regards...jmcc

So whats the justification in having a Stasi-esque database about every voter in Ireland?

blanch152 wrote: »

O'Broin must think we are all fools.

Well, the article had a foam flecked quote from FG's noted database "expert" John Cummins. (Did someone tell him that FG uses the same hosting company?)

The 482 Euro per annum cost for a server sounds about right. That's the hosting cost. The development seems to have been done in-house by SF. It was funny to see the sheer Dunning Krugerisms in full flight in that article.

Regards...jmcc

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-says-its-secret-abu-voter-database-costs-just-482-a-year-to-run-40491238.html

"In correspondence to the Local Government Committee, the Sinn Féin TD said the development of the secret database was an “in-house project”.

“Therefore the costs of this project were internalised through the use of our existing staff and wages etc at our head office in Dublin,” Mr Ó Broin said."

O'Broin must think we are all fools. Does he not realise that the hole he is digging is getting deeper? He is effectively saying that Sinn Fein used a couple of admin people to set up a database replicating personal information about every voter in the country and that they had the relevant expertise in-house. People should really now be worried about the safety of the personal information that Sinn Fein have been gathering. If the HSE can have its data stolen with all the experts working for it, what chance have a couple of SF politicos of maintaining security?

Loafing Oaf

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Most by-elections are about the opposition v the government jimmy.

Varadkar is trying to make this a FG v SF one, so he can claim validation.

It's a dry run for the strategy at the next GE. He's pitching to those who would lean naturally to FF and the 'soft left' parties, telling them a vote for any of those parties is in effect a vote for SF (even if the voter doesn't actually transfer to SF).

Marine Layer wrote: »

I don't think FG will win DBS,FF might
My bet is Ivana
Right level of distance from government and Righteous indignation combo this time for her,plus ameniability to the D4 set
Whoever wins it will gloat

Yes, I think it will be between Bacik and Geoghegan myself.

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FrancieBrady wrote: »

Fair old rubbish. Setting the by-election up in order to gloat, like Leo is trying to do.

It isn't a shoot out between SF and FG.

I don't think FG will win DBS,FF might
My bet is Ivana
Right level of distance from government and Righteous indignation combo this time for her,plus ameniability to the D4 set
Whoever wins it will gloat

blanch152 wrote: »

If the opposition can't take out the government now, they never will.

Fair old rubbish. Setting the by-election up in order to gloat, like Leo is trying to do.

It isn't a shoot out between SF and FG.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No idea.

It has never been a SF V FG game in that constituency.

We get it, Leo needs a win even a manufactured one will do.

If the opposition can't take out the government now, they never will.

blanch152 wrote: »

Seems like you are getting a bit nervous there Francie, trying to frame the narrative. Do you think SF won't do well or something?

No idea.

It has never been a SF V FG game in that constituency.

We get it, Leo needs a win even a manufactured one will do.